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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 6, 2013 12:50:35 GMT -5
He left wwf putting over yokozuna huge
He put over Goldberg huge in wcw, then they feuded him with kidman instead of mike awesome or booker, then did that stupid shit with jeff jarrett
His last rub in wwe that was an actual run he put over kurt angle, rock, undertaker, and lesnar.
You give Hulk somebody that challenges him and it can be good.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 6, 2013 15:59:45 GMT -5
It was very strange to see it unfold.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 6, 2013 16:08:32 GMT -5
Assuming this is true, couldn't Dixie say no? I mean, she can say she has creative control, too, and doesn't want to do the segment. If Hogan doesn't want another farewell, he can just not appear and leave without a final segment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 23:30:01 GMT -5
It wasn't that bad really, but I get the feeling that he isn't leaving and its storyline BS.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 6, 2013 23:40:06 GMT -5
I can't even be mad at Hogan on this one.
TNA is absolutely stupid for agreeing to such narcissism.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 6, 2013 23:45:35 GMT -5
Hogan lacks creativity. If I was quitting my job and had full creative control over it, I'd do a storyline where I was quitting to become a lion tamer. Oh man, that would be funny. Even better, make it as ridiculous as possible. Have Hogan say that he needs to leave, he climbs on a motorcycle with a pet baby chimpanzee (this is not built towards whatsoever) as the TNA roster tearfully looks on. Hogan then says this is goodbye and rides his motorcycle off towards the moon (using a cheap CGI format). Radar from TV's MASH later shows up to tell everyone that Hogan's motorcycle had been shot down. There were no survivors.
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Post by Error on Oct 7, 2013 0:05:06 GMT -5
Assuming this is true, couldn't Dixie say no? I mean, she can say she has creative control, too, and doesn't want to do the segment. If Hogan doesn't want another farewell, he can just not appear and leave without a final segment. Yeah but a) that'd leave you with no way to tie up all his on screen doings (cannot use him without his permission since he has control) and b) hurt you in trying to re-sign him which they are trying to do.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 7, 2013 7:04:36 GMT -5
Either Hogan is that good a salesman or Dixie Carter is just that naive and/or stupid. All one has to do is look at the fate of WCW to get an idea of what happens when you give a guy like Hogan that much creative input. I'm sure Hogan would dispute that and claim the company did its best numbers when he was on top-they also did some of their worst numbers when he STAYED on top. I might add that more than anything else the thing that bugs me about Hogan at this stage is the utter selfishness he so often displays. Plenty of other major names from his era are still active but don't insist on still trying to be what Hogan tries to be. The best example I can think of would be Terry Funk; he still wrestlers, but anymore he prefers to use his status as a legendary wrestler to help establish new stars-he practically made guys like Tommy Dreamer and Raven and he seems to regard it as a way of giving back to the business that he devoted his life to. Hogan still seems to think he is above helping groom new stars and that everyone else has to be going underneath for him. It seems that he regards himself as the business, rather than the business as part of himself.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 7, 2013 11:44:04 GMT -5
Hogan lacks creativity. If I was quitting my job and had full creative control over it, I'd do a storyline where I was quitting to become a lion tamer. Oh man, that would be funny. Even better, make it as ridiculous as possible. Have Hogan say that he needs to leave, he climbs on a motorcycle with a pet baby chimpanzee (this is not built towards whatsoever) as the TNA roster tearfully looks on. Hogan then says this is goodbye and rides his motorcycle off towards the moon (using a cheap CGI format). Radar from TV's MASH later shows up to tell everyone that Hogan's motorcycle had been shot down. There were no survivors. The ninjas who kidnapped Samoa Joe return, all standing in front of TNA's office. There are over a thousand of them. Dixie looks terrified not knowing what to do to get out of that. Hogan smiles and says "I've got this." Camera pans out outside, Hogan is standing before the thousand ninjas with his arms crossed and a smile across his face. He whispers to himself, "Brother oh brother...the price of freedom sure is steep. COME AND GET IT!" Then the camera pans out as a strangely CGI Hogan fights off the ninjas. He dies in the struggle, but his memory lives forever as the man who saved TNA from ninjas. Everyone hopes to one day become as great as Hulk Hogan. I truly, from the bottom of my heart, hope that one day a wrestling company will start to use bad CGI.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 7, 2013 15:19:13 GMT -5
Smells like newz. Or a tna work cause he is still hedging tna against a WWE deal. I'm not convinced he is gone
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 7, 2013 22:33:41 GMT -5
Oddly I won't rag on Hogan that much for WCW. He was part of it to be sure, but keep in mind their business stayed strong with him on top even after the Fingerpoke in 1999. It was really when he got hurt at Spring Stampede and was off TV for 3 months that WCW truly cratered something fierce. Say what you want about Hogan, but I won't blame him for Master P and the Hummer Angle, although I guess he was involved in the tail end of the Hummer storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 22:49:30 GMT -5
Anyone blaming Hogan for WCW's demise wasn't around during WCW's existence (and/or doesn't know how business works, take your pick). But that horse has been beaten to death already.
As far as Hogan's creative control, Vince gave it to him as recently as 2006. Dixie signed him in 2009. So it wasn't like an eternity ago that Vince gave Hogan creative control over his character. It was some three years before Dixie did, and Hulk didn't wrestle for the WWE from 2007-09. At this point, yes, you blame the person who gave him creative control, not him for getting it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 8, 2013 7:59:29 GMT -5
Oddly I won't rag on Hogan that much for WCW. He was part of it to be sure, but keep in mind their business stayed strong with him on top even after the Fingerpoke in 1999. It was really when he got hurt at Spring Stampede and was off TV for 3 months that WCW truly cratered something fierce. Say what you want about Hogan, but I won't blame him for Master P and the Hummer Angle, although I guess he was involved in the tail end of the Hummer storyline. Things didn't bounce back when Hogan returned from injury, there was no bump in ratings and ppv buyrates continued their rapid decline, it's almost as though WCW fans were sick of seeing the same guys dominating TV time, headlining every PPV with certain main event heels never, ever getting their comeuppance. Look at the feud Hogan was in with Flair in 1999 when things really started to go pearshaped for WCW, he won the belt via fingerpoke, whipped David Flair with a belt then retained the title after David turned on Ric and interfered with the match (of course) and it took being stuck in a barbed wire cage, hit with a tire iron, a biased referee and a fast count to get the belt off Hulk Hogan at uncensored 1999... After a few years of Hogan dominating when he should be losing clean, is there any wonder people gave up? TNA wanted 1995-6 Hulk Hogan, a guy who could open doors for the company, what they got was 1999 Hulk Hogan who did more harm than good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 8:43:11 GMT -5
Why would you even give Hogan creative control? Because he would never sign unless he was given it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 8, 2013 10:52:49 GMT -5
Hogan lacks creativity. If I was quitting my job and had full creative control over it, I'd do a storyline where I was quitting to become a lion tamer. Oh man, that would be funny. Even better, make it as ridiculous as possible. Have Hogan say that he needs to leave, he climbs on a motorcycle with a pet baby chimpanzee (this is not built towards whatsoever) as the TNA roster tearfully looks on. Hogan then says this is goodbye and rides his motorcycle off towards the moon (using a cheap CGI format). Radar from TV's MASH later shows up to tell everyone that Hogan's motorcycle had been shot down. There were no survivors. Oh my god this is f***ing amazing. And then come back the month after to wrestle the grim reapear on PPV.
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