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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Oct 21, 2013 23:02:28 GMT -5
The problem of the weekly TV era is that you exhaust match-ups. How many times, in various combinations, have we seen Daniel Bryan versus the Shield, be it one-on-one, or in a two-on-two tag match, or a six man tag match? How many times have these matches been featured on pay-per-view or have closed out Raw or Smackdown? Yeah, they can be good matches, especially given the talent involved, but it's like having your favourite food every day: it gets boring.
And this isn't simply a Bryan/Shield problem. Most combinations of guys on the roster have had some sort of interaction countless times. The only time nowadays when you have a fresh match-up is when outside talent comes in, like Lesnar or the Rock, or guys are brought up from developmental, like the Wyatt family. But either option doesn't change the fact that there's a whole cadre of wrestlers who in some shape or form I've seen go against one another. It's not even a matter of booking angles when the tools a booker uses to build the angles, the matches themselves, no longer really work (or at the very least, don't work as well as they did before).
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 21, 2013 23:02:55 GMT -5
Bryan's peak for me was when he was with AJ and acting like the biggest prick in the world. It made Smackdown must-see. But I never expected him to get this far, so while the angle has become more about Big Show and *surprise surprise* Triple H, I'm just glad Bryan got to have three-going on-four real main event PPV matches and two WWE title wins. CM Punk never even got the chance to have 4 real main events during his 434 days as champion. My hope for Bryan is that he becomes a "Jericho" after this. They throw him a bone once in awhile, and they make it so he can weave in and out of WWE title matches and mid-card programs - that would suit him just fine.
But yeah, it is a shame they didn't just give the guy a real run.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 21, 2013 23:06:06 GMT -5
My interested in wrestler Daniel Bryan has not waned. He's one of my favorites. My interest in this storyline, and public speaker Daniel Bryan has waned considerably. Like I said, he's going to show in the areas that suit him best. However, the fact that they are half-assing the storyline THIS bad almost seems like a rib. Remember when Benoit was champion? Yeah, it sucked. But it sucked because he didn't do anything. Now, while Benoit wasn't exactly a natural speaker...he should have maybe gotten on the mic every so often. He didn't need to have a segment every goddamn week. He also didn't need 2 other guys overshadow him the entire time. Bryan needs a happy medium of what is going on now and what Benoit's reign was like. He needs to be treated as THE guy (for the time being) and to get on the mic when he is needed. And I do think it would be wise to trim the hair and beard. He looked far more aggressive with the shorter hair and shorter beard.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 21, 2013 23:07:05 GMT -5
The sarcasm doesn't bother me. Bryan works better as a Mick Foley than a Stone Cold. And if there was one thing that Foley did since 1998, was make me not care about Foley. Not only did he not protect himself against chair shots, but he also allowed for him to get chewed up and spit out with every person he feuded with. It only worked with the Rock. It got to the point that beating him meant nothing....and then when he went into that suspended animation retirement, where he was having a match every so often in 2003-onwards...getting beat by him meant you were nothing. When Carlito lost to him, I felt embarrassed for Carlito. And I'm saying that as someone who was entertained by Foley...but holy hell did he let himself be the bottom bitch too often. It was foolish of him to take so many unprotected chair shots but he's famous because he was so great at putting people over. It was by design. Also, wins or losses didn't matter to him. His characters got him over. He had three over gimmicks. Concurrently! I don't think anyone has ever done that. If you look at it another way, Foley was an enhancement talent that was so good at what he did, they gave him the belt, twice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:09:59 GMT -5
yes, ever since the RAW after the post-SummerSlam one.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 21, 2013 23:11:30 GMT -5
I still love DB, and hope he has a great career.
But right now, I don't think him winning the HIAC match would feel all that special. They gave him the belt, and we were never given a chance to enjoy it. You can't get that feeling again after the first win. It really feels like WWE has killed off a lot of his momentum with this asinine angle.
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Post by MGH on Oct 21, 2013 23:11:49 GMT -5
In him? No, not at all. I'm more jazzed about him than I was before.
In this feud with Triple H and Stephanie? Yes. It's awful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:12:53 GMT -5
My interested in wrestler Daniel Bryan has not waned. He's one of my favorites. My interest in this storyline, and public speaker Daniel Bryan has waned considerably. Like I said, he's going to show in the areas that suit him best. However, the fact that they are half-assing the storyline THIS bad almost seems like a rib. Remember when Benoit was champion? Yeah, it sucked. But it sucked because he didn't do anything. Now, while Benoit wasn't exactly a natural speaker...he should have maybe gotten on the mic every so often. He didn't need to have a segment every goddamn week. He also didn't need 2 other guys overshadow him the entire time. Bryan needs a happy medium of what is going on now and what Benoit's reign was like. He needs to be treated as THE guy (for the time being) and to get on the mic when he is needed. And I do think it would be wise to trim the hair and beard. He looked far more aggressive with the shorter hair and shorter beard. Yeah maybe it's because I saw way too many crappy hippie jam bands during the mid 2000s, but Bryan just looks like Trey Anastasio got on the juice. He's a little guy, he needs to look meaner.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 21, 2013 23:13:11 GMT -5
And if there was one thing that Foley did since 1998, was make me not care about Foley. Not only did he not protect himself against chair shots, but he also allowed for him to get chewed up and spit out with every person he feuded with. It only worked with the Rock. It got to the point that beating him meant nothing....and then when he went into that suspended animation retirement, where he was having a match every so often in 2003-onwards...getting beat by him meant you were nothing. When Carlito lost to him, I felt embarrassed for Carlito. And I'm saying that as someone who was entertained by Foley...but holy hell did he let himself be the bottom bitch too often. It was foolish of him to take so many unprotected chair shots but he's famous because he was so great at putting people over. It was by design. Also, wins or losses didn't matter to him. His characters got him over. He had three over gimmicks. Concurrently! I don't think anyone has ever done that. If you look at it another way, Foley was an enhancement talent that was so good at what he did, they gave him the belt, twice. Oh there's no doubt that he put people over. But you have to be selective about it to an extent. It's why a win over Jericho doesn't mean as much as a win over Triple H or Hogan. I'm not saying these guys need to stay undefeated or something, but it certainly means more of a damn when someone like Batista beats Triple H, as opposed to Jericho losing to anyone he feuds with. While someone can maintain staying over based entirely on character, it's hard for me to stay emotionally connected to that person or to want to buy the PPV to see something I haven't seen already. Foley gave me too much of a good thing too many times. Too much candy makes my tummy hurt.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Oct 21, 2013 23:20:27 GMT -5
In-ring Bryan? Nope
Sarcastic Bryan? Yes. I'm always happy when someone interrupts him.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 22, 2013 0:08:08 GMT -5
Yes, but it's not his fault.
Orton is too boring. I maintain that Punk should have been the one to sell out to the corporation and be chosen as the face of the company. Adding Brie Bella to the mix hasn't helped at all.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Oct 22, 2013 0:16:23 GMT -5
In him? No, not at all. I'm more jazzed about him than I was before. In this feud with Triple H and Stephanie? Yes. It's awful. Bingo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 0:19:19 GMT -5
Yes, but it's not his fault. Orton is too boring. I maintain that Punk should have been the one to sell out to the corporation and be chosen as the face of the company. Adding Brie Bella to the mix hasn't helped at all. Orton is pretty damn boring in all this. I was ready for him to turn heel and get back to being a volatile character where you never know what he's going to do, but he's just vaguely cocky guy who seems like he just had his morning coffee and read the paper on the crapper.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 22, 2013 0:21:54 GMT -5
Yes, but it's not his fault. Orton is too boring. I maintain that Punk should have been the one to sell out to the corporation and be chosen as the face of the company. Adding Brie Bella to the mix hasn't helped at all. Orton is pretty damn boring in all this. I was ready for him to turn heel and get back to being a volatile character where you never know what he's going to do, but he's just vaguely cocky guy who seems like he just had his morning coffee and read the paper on the crapper. Yeah, its funny, of all the heel personas to return to, Orton's basically doing his 2003 Evolution shtick minus the dress shirt and khakis.
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Oct 22, 2013 0:24:25 GMT -5
Yes.
I just cant get into him anymore. He offers little in terms of story and making me care about him. His promos are boring and offer little to nothing in terms of content. When ever someone criticizes him and brings him down, he never has anything to counter with. I want to be captivated by these guys and I want tough, gritty, in your face promos from both guys. I want to see both guys get pissed and eye each other with the sole intent of killing the other man. Ok that sounds over the top, but you get what im trying to say.
Bryan is just an awful...ok below average promo guy that his feud is just boring. He has no comebacks, no retorts. He doesnt act full of himself or even that confident. His voice is kind of grating and it sounds like his is going to stumble his words.
Its just boring with Bryan and I love the guy in the ring. But please get a mic away from this guy, put Punk in his place. I want to care about the main event.
I want Punk Vs. Thw World like it was supposed to be in 2011. Dude carries every feud on the stick with everyone not named 'Cena'. I want CM Punk vs The Authority just for the promos. Wow, the promos would be awesome!
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Post by Dukect on Oct 22, 2013 1:13:43 GMT -5
The WWE did what it always does it takes someone who is over and and crushes into dust its latest victim Daniel Bryan
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 22, 2013 1:18:48 GMT -5
Bryan's peak for me was when he was with AJ and acting like the biggest prick in the world. It made Smackdown must-see. But I never expected him to get this far, so while the angle has become more about Big Show and *surprise surprise* Triple H, I'm just glad Bryan got to have three-going on-four real main event PPV matches and two WWE title wins. CM Punk never even got the chance to have 4 real main events during his 434 days as champion. My hope for Bryan is that he becomes a "Jericho" after this. They throw him a bone once in awhile, and they make it so he can weave in and out of WWE title matches and mid-card programs - that would suit him just fine. But yeah, it is a shame they didn't just give the guy a real run. Half the roster are "Jerichos". Miz is a Jericho. Ziggler's a Jericho. Ryback's a Jericho. Kane is a Jericho. Even Swagger is somewhat of a Jericho. Bryan has already been a Jericho since 18 Seconds. I think he could be more. He could at least be another Punk, a guy they try to keep in a very high profile spot even when they're obviously stuck creatively with him.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 22, 2013 2:01:09 GMT -5
No, but my interest in his angle has. They've butchered this just as badly as the Punk/Cena/Vince angle in 2011.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 22, 2013 2:37:48 GMT -5
Only in the sense that my interest in the whole damn show has. Haven't watched a full Raw in weeks. So it has, but less bout him, more across the board ennui
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Post by Mc Mc Mannequin on Oct 22, 2013 2:38:47 GMT -5
My interest in everyone wanes eventually. It's happened with the Wyatts aswell. WWE have a bad habit of repetition in recent years and seeing guys do the same thing and cut the same promos over and over and over again.
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