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Post by rapidfire187 on Oct 28, 2013 9:50:19 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking.
HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan.
HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Oct 28, 2013 9:52:24 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. Nailed it. Great post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 10:19:21 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. Oh I understood perfectly what they thought they were doing with that whole ending, but it just came across as extremely convoluted and counterproductive. For whose benefit was this being done? Who were they trying to build up and/or draw attention to? HHH's? HBK's? Guys who are already established legends? The whole problem for me at least is that the focus should be on Orton and Bryan. They're the guys competeing in the match. They're the only ones who can win the title. The whole ending was basically a very convoluted way for WWE to say, "Thanks for paying $45 for the PPV - tune in on RAW to see what happens next!" I just hate when matches are built around melodrama NOT between the guys actually having the match.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 28, 2013 10:30:51 GMT -5
Much less bout not understanding straightforward booking, much more being bored by it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 28, 2013 10:50:43 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. Exactly. Bryan isn't simply going into irrelevance after last night. He's still the primary enemy of The Authority and I imagine that Daniel himself isn't going to be enthused by Hunner screwing him over again.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 28, 2013 11:00:09 GMT -5
Can the complainers please explain to me what they'd have like to see instead? Like ok the WWE shoots their load all at once and throws logical story progression out the window and has the underdog hero win right away and he's the unquestioned champ (passive aggression intended), what happens next? Anyone wanna give me the fantasy booking for that scenario? I'm curious.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 28, 2013 11:02:01 GMT -5
Well, Daniel, you had a good run, you almost reached the top, but now Super Cena is back and he suffers no rival. Have fun with a mind-boggling heel turn or being faded away to the mid-card while he makes Orton his bitch and the same, boring old status quo resumes as normal.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 28, 2013 11:10:10 GMT -5
If I may put my fantasy booker cap on..... Daniel Bryan should have won the belt at Summerslam. End of show. Spend the next few months developing a fractured relationship between him and upper management. Then have Triple H screw over Bryan with Orton cashing in the briefcase like....tonight after a crazy Hell in a Cell match. They had basically two to three months worth of storylines that they pissed away having Triple H turn literally five minutes after Bryan won the title at Summerslam. That promo the following night. All of that could have been done tomorrow. Bryan should have had a respectable title run. He didn't even get a full day. It's simply not a smart strategy in keeping him relevant. I'm not gonna say he's ruined because of it. But I simply disagree with how they went about it. Well I'm embarrassed that I made a post asking for fantasy booking and then went back to keep reading the thread and saw my boy Lancers attempting to answer that five pages ago BUT But what would he have done in the meantime is what I don't understand about the people who wanted it to go this way. I loved the Summerslam screwjob and I think it was a completely logical booking decision so I really really would like to know what people would have liked to see instead. And I don't think "he holds the title until Hell in the Cell while tension continues with management" explains it. What specifically does Bryan do in the meantime. Who does he face in the in between pay per views. I need more than that...
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 28, 2013 11:10:14 GMT -5
I don't think Cena's being thrust right back into the main angle at all. His latest tweet says that he's focused on bringing "honor" back to the WHC, so I think that's his story at the moment.
It does make me wonder if all (or some) of the negative reaction to last night stems from Bryan losing the way he did.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 28, 2013 11:18:14 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. One flaw in your theory. How was Triple H going to know Shawn was going to get bumped? Orton was trying to attack Bryan, but Bryan moved out of the way, which caused the bump. So if Bryan hadn't moved, Shawn wouldn't have gotten hit. So unless Triple H is psychic, that part makes no sense.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Oct 28, 2013 11:19:17 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. If that was the case, why wasn't it Orton shoving Bryan into the ref? And we're not complaining about Bryan losing, we're complaining about how crap this writing and storytelling is. As another note, remember the crowd sitting on their hands the moment Orton won MitB? That's also what they've been doing for most of this storyline.
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Post by bob on Oct 28, 2013 11:21:45 GMT -5
The match ended literally the stupidest way it possibly could have.
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Post by Lancers on Oct 28, 2013 11:24:21 GMT -5
If I may put my fantasy booker cap on..... Daniel Bryan should have won the belt at Summerslam. End of show. Spend the next few months developing a fractured relationship between him and upper management. Then have Triple H screw over Bryan with Orton cashing in the briefcase like....tonight after a crazy Hell in a Cell match. They had basically two to three months worth of storylines that they pissed away having Triple H turn literally five minutes after Bryan won the title at Summerslam. That promo the following night. All of that could have been done tomorrow. Bryan should have had a respectable title run. He didn't even get a full day. It's simply not a smart strategy in keeping him relevant. I'm not gonna say he's ruined because of it. But I simply disagree with how they went about it. Well I'm embarrassed that I made a post asking for fantasy booking and then went back to keep reading the thread and saw my boy Lancers attempting to answer that five pages ago BUT But what would he have done in the meantime is what I don't understand about the people who wanted it to go this way. I loved the Summerslam screwjob and I think it was a completely logical booking decision so I really really would like to know what people would have liked to see instead. And I don't think "he holds the title until Hell in the Cell while tension continues with management" explains it. What specifically does Bryan do in the meantime. Who does he face in the in between pay per views. I need more than that... They could have fit anybody into that place temporarily. Like Ryback. Or Wade Barrett. If the build was always building between Bryan and Triple H, then whoever he feuds with would be just a red herring. They kinda were going in that direction right before Summerslam with Bryan's suit, yet unwilling to shave off his beard. The main antagonist was Vince at the time. Triple H and Steph seemed indifferent. Perhaps they grew frustration over Bryan accepting matches without their consent. Maybe they even offer their assistance, but he turns them down. Meanwhile Vince just fell off the face of this earth the day after Summerslam. They could have had him washing his hands of this daughter and son-in-law's mess and disappear until the screwjob took place or Steph/Triple H could cut a promo where they acknowledge that Vince was right about Daniel Bryan all along which brings him back into the fold. Above all else, if the endgame really is Wrestlemania, at least the heel authority angle could have started last night and now you shave off two months of prolonging this angle into their biggest PPV.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 12:21:22 GMT -5
It was typical Paul Lev-I MEAN HHH interference in a white hot angle because, despite his "best for business" BS, in reality he is a VERY ego driven individual and need to have the spotlight on himself. When Vince called the shots unchallenged, this sort of crap didn't go on. Yeah Vince would get involved sometimes, but it was always to be on the ass kicking end of the angle, Vince was like Colonel Klink: he NEVER WON, EVER. HHH however, doesn't share that same attitude...its always "King of Kings The Game blah blah blah". I truly and honestly and will go to my grave believing that the ONLY reason HHH dumped Chyna for Stephanie was so he could marry into the family and eventually get into this very position. His overinflated ego ruined a white hot angle that should have ended at the last PPV with DB's hand raised in victory but NO...just like before, HHH has to be involved. Now you have ZERO interest, a probable Big Show-HHH feud. Orton vs Cena part 1284628393 and DB back to the midcard. This is my problem, that Trips is the f***ing worst. He's never gonna get his comeuppance, he's never gonna get embarrassed, hell even after he finally got hit with whats become one of the most devastating moves in the company he got up pretty damn quickly. He needed to be helped to the back after Big Show punched him, but that knee? Got right up!
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 28, 2013 12:24:34 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. One flaw in your theory. How was Triple H going to know Shawn was going to get bumped? Orton was trying to attack Bryan, but Bryan moved out of the way, which caused the bump. So if Bryan hadn't moved, Shawn wouldn't have gotten hit. So unless Triple H is psychic, that part makes no sense. Well HBK used to be able to kick out multiple finishers but was nearly knocked out after getting bumped into. To me that suggests Shawn was in on it the whole time and was just playing possum until HHH played his part. However it could just be the ref shirt draining his physical powers like it does to most people that put it on.
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Post by AnActualBear on Oct 28, 2013 12:25:05 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. So HHH just happened to know that Shawn would get bonked into and would just happen to be injured? That's retarded.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Oct 28, 2013 12:28:35 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. So HHH just happened to know that Shawn would get bonked into and would just happen to be injured? That's retarded. Someone else pointed out that it was Bryan that threw Orton into HBK. I guess I didn't notice that detail. That does throw a big wrench in what I said, but I still think that's what they were going for. Unless Shawn and HHH were in on it together and HHH was just trying to make Shawn look innocent.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 28, 2013 12:37:38 GMT -5
No one has a crystal ball. Cena vs. Orton at Wrestlemania hasn't been stated by the dirt sheets, why the cynical garbage with that being the endgame I have no idea. Anyone who said Bryan's momentum is gone and that people won't care when he wins the WWE Title will look foolish when the crowd YESes it up on RAW. I'm just tired of this being taken too seriously all the freaking time. I'm sick of the negativity. I'm sick of the yelling down and belittling of anyone who enjoys the slightest bit of the main angle or what have you going on in the WWE. I'm tired of people throwing stupid insults at WWE for not going with thier fantasy booking on YouTube and Twitter. I'm sick of the dark cloud that hangs over what I used to consider the most fun message board. I'm sick of my sleeping cycle going out of whack every five days. I'm sick of my brother hooting and hollering in the other room. I'm just sick and tired. This your first day on the internet or something? This has been going on for years. Suck it up, brother. No I won't, and I shouldn't have to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 12:45:31 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. So HHH just happened to know that Shawn would get bonked into and would just happen to be injured? That's retarded. Every heel plot ever is usually retarded when you think about it. Austin and Vince plan to screw Rock at Wrestlemania X7? But don't put their plan into motion until 30 minutes into the match when there had been a ton of close near falls. What if Austin had lost the match before Vince decided to walk out?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 13:41:00 GMT -5
It bothers me that some people didn't get the booking. HHH started climbing the cage for a very good reason, to distract Shawn and have him in that particular spot so he could get bumped. Shawn getting bumped gave HHH an excuse to go in there. He put his hands on Bryan, Bryan knocked him out, that's all Shawn sees so he Superkicked Bryan. HHH played his best friend. Shawn didn't turn heel, he just got emotional. From here, there are quite a few interesting possibilities. I think people are just mad that Bryan isn't the champion. So what? He will be eventually and for now he is still the top guy. So HHH just happened to know that Shawn would get bonked into and would just happen to be injured? That's retarded. It seemed more that Triple H didn't have a plan, his only plan was to hope that his friendship with HBK would rule the night, Shawn would do the "right thing" and screw Daniel Bryan. HHH only came out when it became clear that Shawn's idea of the right thing didn't gel with his. You could tell by how erratic Triple H was that he had no idea what he was gonna have to do to cost Daniel Bryan the match until the situation escalated naturally and allowed him to make his presence felt in the cage. It didn't come off as Triple H playing everyone as much as it came off as he got desperate and lucked into it.
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