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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 28, 2013 15:14:22 GMT -5
This clusterf*** ending could have all been avoided if we voted Booker T as the ref like we should have.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 28, 2013 15:17:47 GMT -5
This clusterf*** ending could have all been avoided if we voted Bob Backlund as the ref like we should have. Thought I would fine tune your statement a tad.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 28, 2013 15:19:54 GMT -5
This clusterf*** ending could have all been avoided if we voted Bob Backlund as the ref like we should have. Thought I would fine tune your statement a tad. Oh we still would have gotten a clusterf*** ending with Bob, it just would have involved with him giving the crossface chicken-face to both guys as well as Triple H him staring at his hands and declaring himself WWE Champion for the third time. Admittedly that would have 1000 times more awesome than what we got.
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Oct 28, 2013 15:36:05 GMT -5
I thought the PPV was good. I enjoyed all of the matches, including Khali's! The tag matches were great, I hope they keep up the work on the division because we could be in for some great multi team matches. Hell in a Cell 1 was fun with some good spots. Cena looked great in his comeback and I'm interested in where they're gonna go with the WHC. The main event was great with predictable shenanigans but it told the story and I thought HBK's part at the end was perfectly played.
Really looking forward to Raw tonight, for the first time in a few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 15:50:31 GMT -5
...Why else would they even be doing this? Is your faith in WWE so low that you literally believe they will go against the most basic storytelling logic that a ten year old could figure out?... Yeah, or at least that's the way I see it. You did have a hell of a post on your optimism and I don't even feel right cutting all that out to reply to one rhetorical question because therein lies the path of the assholery but...ehhhh. Three cheers for emotional detachment.~
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 18:25:26 GMT -5
It was typical Paul Lev-I MEAN HHH interference in a white hot angle because, despite his "best for business" BS, in reality he is a VERY ego driven individual and need to have the spotlight on himself. When Vince called the shots unchallenged, this sort of crap didn't go on. Yeah Vince would get involved sometimes, but it was always to be on the ass kicking end of the angle, Vince was like Colonel Klink: he NEVER WON, EVER. HHH however, doesn't share that same attitude...its always "King of Kings The Game blah blah blah". I truly and honestly and will go to my grave believing that the ONLY reason HHH dumped Chyna for Stephanie was so he could marry into the family and eventually get into this very position. His overinflated ego ruined a white hot angle that should have ended at the last PPV with DB's hand raised in victory but NO...just like before, HHH has to be involved. Now you have ZERO interest, a probable Big Show-HHH feud. Orton vs Cena part 1284628393 and DB back to the midcard. This is my problem, that Trips is the f***ing worst. He's never gonna get his comeuppance, he's never gonna get embarrassed, hell even after he finally got hit with whats become one of the most devastating moves in the company he got up pretty damn quickly. He needed to be helped to the back after Big Show punched him, but that knee? Got right up! Didn't even bother selling it properly either, did some little spinning Roger Dorn ole bullshit. Bryan got super white-hot OVER as a babyface, as much as any babyface in a long time (even more than CM Punk), and did not need some stupid Triple H-centered angle to "get him over". So either WWE is f***ing up by messing with something that did not need messing with, OR they're purposely derailing shit because Daniel Bryan isn't who they want to be the guy that catches on with the crowd and becomes their top guy going forward. The latter is not as far-fetched as it sounds. It's like a defensive coordinator in football that comes in and says "alright, we've got this great defense...I'm changing the whole scheme, because my scheme is the best!" These types people want it to be all about their vision succeeding.
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Oct 28, 2013 18:42:06 GMT -5
Its a total sign of an egomaniac to try and change something that works perfectly for the sole reason that YOU had NOTHING to do with its success. I doubt the WWE expected or wanted DB to get the reaction he got. Their plans for him were always "plucky underdog thats good for a Rocky storyline but nothing more". When the YES chants exploded and the beard thing took off, it caught WWE and HHH especially flat footed. This was NEVER in their plans, they did not want DB to get as white hot as he did, they wanted that for Orton or Cena or anyone else BUT DB for the sole reason that they did not create DB.
This entire disaster has Paul Lev-I MEAN HHH's fingerprints all over it. Its ego, pure and simple. They did not create the DB white hot overness so they MUST destroy it.
As God is my witness I am tempted to sell all my WW stock, get with some investors, and legit (and I am not joking here) making a play to buy TNA.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 28, 2013 18:51:40 GMT -5
They didn't create Daniel Bryan so they're derailing him. BULL. CRAP.
What was with Team Hell No, and the Weak Link angle? He wasn't white hot with the casual crowds until he started teaming with Kane, then when he kept going at it with The Shield. The Yes Chant started after 18 seconds, but it wasn't until these angles formed that they did even more with him. He's still the top focus of WWE, even WITH Cena back. The main angle will revolve around him still for months to come whether he's at the bottom of the card or not. He's shown that he's perfectly fine with whatever ball they have him hold on to. As a result, he's being rewarded not punished.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 28, 2013 18:58:07 GMT -5
They didn't create Daniel Bryan so they're derailing him. BULL. CRAP. Especially since this is literally the exact angle they're playing up at the moment. Declaring that The Man is trying to hold Daniel Bryan down because he doesn't fit their ideal corporate image is about as sensible as believing that pro wrestling is real.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 23:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 28, 2013 23:22:55 GMT -5
I'm kinda amazed that people are still talking about how WWE is "trying to make Bryan a star." Were you watching the same RAW shows that I was? Dude was already a star. At worst, he's the third most over guy on the roster.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 28, 2013 23:26:33 GMT -5
Oh and I got the ending just fine. Doesn't mean I don't think it's unnecessary bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 23:36:03 GMT -5
They didn't create Daniel Bryan so they're derailing him. BULL. CRAP. Especially since this is literally the exact angle they're playing up at the moment. Declaring that The Man is trying to hold Daniel Bryan down because he doesn't fit their ideal corporate image is about as sensible as believing that pro wrestling is real. I laid out a scenario in which it happens in real life. Decsion-makers got big egos. I'm not saying it's definitely that, but putting a negative opinion across in kayfabe and continually reinforcing it could eventually lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy. Heels "in the right" isn't all that uncommon these days either. WWE is big enough where the people in charge can afford to get across what they want rather than listening to fans. How else do you explain John Cena being on top for 8 years, despite tons of negative reaction from fans? If it's not that, I think they're over-complicating things by trying too hard to do something that's already been accomplished with minimal meddling, again making it all about their "scheme" rather than the players.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 28, 2013 23:45:36 GMT -5
How else do you explain John Cena being on top for 8 years, despite tons of negative reaction from fans? You know, and I say this as someone who's never really cared much about Cena one way or another, that makes me think that the people who go to televised live shows in order to loudly boo Cena are a lot less significant than they like to convince themselves they are. At the end of the day, for all the backstage political nonsense that might be going on, this is a business. Vince McMahon likes to make money. He makes a crapton of money off of John Cena, ergo his continual presence at the top of the card. It looks like he's making some good money off CM Punk and Daniel Bryan too, ergo their ascents into the main event scene. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan's fans like to view their favorite wrestlers as nonconformist underdogs making it to the top in spite of corporate resistance, hence that's the angle that gets played up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 23:54:39 GMT -5
How else do you explain John Cena being on top for 8 years, despite tons of negative reaction from fans? He sells more tickets and makes more money than anyone else?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 0:33:25 GMT -5
I don't know, it's just unprecedented that a top babyface gets booed that hard for that many years and a change isn't made. Who's to say they couldn't make more money with someone else on the top? It's seems like they want Cena there and he's gonna be there, opinions be damned. It's not like tv ratings, attendance, and PPV revenue have been gangbusters since Cena got on top. He's the right guy in that he's insanely dedicated and hard-working, very good at what he does, keeps his nose clean, but I really think his run as THE top guy is a product of WWE not having to listen to the fans because they're the only game in town. If they had competition and their top babyface was rejected by that big a portion of the audience, I think they would've made a change.
Because of these kinds of factors, I don't see it out the realm of possiblity that they don't want Daniel Bryan to be the face of their company, despite the fan support being there to make it so. Of course it's about making money for Vince. But, it's also about ego. He got where he is by having a vision and sticking with it. His vision may be out of touch by now, and his stubborness may keep him from realizing that.
I'm just saying it's possible.
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