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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 29, 2013 9:18:44 GMT -5
DB is finished as a main event star/WWE title contender for a while. Sorry folks, but the Royal Rumble win/Wrestlemania moment isn't happening. He'll end up in a solid upper-card match with another in-ring general (Jericho or Punk, probably) just to appease the "technical wrestling" fans. But he's not sniffing that title again for a long time. Which is pretty much one of the reasons pro wrestling is an industry that most of the time wouldn't know how to make money if the government suddenly decided to give them free money with no strings attached. What on Earth is wrong with striking when the iron is hot? Every other form of entertainment does it and has been doing it for decades. Sure, it leads to people complaining about over saturation from others wanting to get to that same well but neither do they sacrifice money for keeping old and trusted. No other industry in the world takes a talent that THEY built up for MONTHS and then immediately convinces people they stand no chance at hanging with the big players. None. Not music, not film, not television, nowhere. The trouble is, pro wrestling companies are mostly run by children who want things their way or no way at all. I look forward to either HHH or Vince giving an interview in the next 6 months, where they talk about how the opportunity is there in the WWE for people to step up onto the same level as Cena and Orton, if only they'd grab the brass ring. They'd go on to complain about the lack of desire from younger talents when they've worked so hard to utterly demoralise people and made it clear there are consequences for getting over on your own, just ask Ryder, Kawal, Bryan and others. I see another heel turn in Bryan's near future, because he hasn't switched sides enough to kill all his heat in the past three years... yet.
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Post by chac on Oct 29, 2013 9:45:13 GMT -5
Which is pretty much one of the reasons pro wrestling is an industry that most of the time wouldn't know how to make money if the government suddenly decided to give them free money with no strings attached. What on Earth is wrong with striking when the iron is hot? Every other form of entertainment does it and has been doing it for decades. Sure, it leads to people complaining about over saturation from others wanting to get to that same well but neither do they sacrifice money for keeping old and trusted. No other industry in the world takes a talent that THEY built up for MONTHS and then immediately convinces people they stand no chance at hanging with the big players. None. Not music, not film, not television, nowhere. The trouble is, pro wrestling companies are mostly run by children who want things their way or no way at all. I look forward to either HHH or Vince giving an interview in the next 6 months, talking about how the opportunity is there in the WWE for people to step up onto the same level as Cena and Orton, if only they'd grab the brass ring, then complain about the lack of desire from younger talents when they've worked so hard to utterly demoralise people and made it clear there are consequences for getting over on your own. I see another heel turn in Bryan's near future, because he hasn't switched sides enough to kill all his heat in the past three years... yet. I hate the internet.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 29, 2013 9:47:52 GMT -5
Spoony, your thoughts on WWE booking a main event feud between Orton and Big Show in 2013?
swing and a miss, WWE.
I'll echo a few others here; Daniel Bryan is going to be fine, his momentum won't be hurt. it's WWE that gets hurt by never giving the fans what they want, and for the shit on top they give them a main event feud between a guy whose ratings poison and a guy whose only use these days seems to be incredibly narmy facial expressions.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Oct 29, 2013 9:49:52 GMT -5
...if we get Bryan/HBK at Mania I'll be ok with this. Prepare to not be OK with this
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 29, 2013 9:52:56 GMT -5
But the internet loves you.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 29, 2013 9:56:09 GMT -5
Their refusal to build other top line stars is going to cost them eventually.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 29, 2013 10:05:33 GMT -5
Their refusal to build other top line stars is going to cost them eventually. I'm half-convinced they're so afraid of trying new things that they'll start ruining the momentum of future "face of the company" types like Roman Reigns just to keep John Cena as the status quo until he literally explodes in the ring. they're in a massive holding pattern right now and their reluctance to make new stars (and get rid of guys who don't work like Del Rio) is what's going to kill them if they aren't careful. it's the kind of thing that put Mitsuharu Misawa in a position where he had to keep working in spite of literally falling apart and finally dying in the ring, all because NOAH had too much trouble making new stars.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 29, 2013 10:10:36 GMT -5
Their management philosophy is the most bizarre I've ever heard of. If you're passionate about the business, you're a mark and are publically mocked. If you have momentum on your side, they'll do anything it takes to sabotage it. If you do something wrong in their eyes (and that could be almost anything given their fickleness and prison yard mentally) you are buried on-air which kills morale and creates an inferior product anyway. I couldn't imagine any other "entertainment" company operating the same way.
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Post by mysterydriver on Oct 29, 2013 10:23:28 GMT -5
I thought they dropped a hint towards Bryan facing Triple H, which I assumed was a Wrestlemania build (Who needs the biggest title in the company when you can face the SUPER MOST IMPORTANT MAN TO EVER GRACE THIS BUSINESS!) with the "You don't belong in the ring with someone of my caliber" promo.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 29, 2013 10:23:37 GMT -5
What seems weird to me is that they are so determined to stick with what works that they've actually stopped using what works.
In the late 90s, Vince gave the wrestlers a speech saying he had lost track of what was trendy, and that he would let the wrestlers take more control of the characters, which they did, in co-operation which a small booking team including Russo and Ferrara. This led to the WWF's boom period. Russo left during it, but even so at that point it was the wrestlers being given something to do by the writers, and then running with it.
While WWE still presents a show that is in many ways identical to at their peak, the way things run backstage is completely different, yet WWE still seem confused as to why things don't work sometimes and why their guys suck so often.
I'm not saying that small team of writers plus wrestlers taking control of their characters with Vince as a final filter would work now, but the point is WWE thinks it's wearing out what always worked, when in reality it's not using what worked at all.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 29, 2013 10:27:27 GMT -5
I thought they dropped a hint towards Bryan facing Triple H, which I assumed was a Wrestlemania build (Who needs the biggest title in the company when you can face the SUPER MOST IMPORTANT MAN TO EVER GRACE THIS BUSINESS!) with the "You don't belong in the ring with someone of my caliber" promo. More likely WWE simply took the opportunity to aggrandise HHH yet again at the expense of everyone else
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 29, 2013 10:27:52 GMT -5
I thought they dropped a hint towards Bryan facing Triple H, which I assumed was a Wrestlemania build (Who needs the biggest title in the company when you can face the SUPER MOST IMPORTANT MAN TO EVER GRACE THIS BUSINESS!) with the "You don't belong in the ring with someone of my caliber" promo. Not to mention Bryan knocking Triple H on his ass at Hell in a Cell on Sunday. Once he's done fighting the Wyatt Family, Bryan will return to hunting down Hunter and friends. (On the positive side, this mini-feud is giving us the Daniel Bryan and CM Punk teamup everyone's been clamoring for.)
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 29, 2013 10:32:55 GMT -5
You know what? YOU guys are the ones needing there to be a Next Stone Cold, not the WWE. What we're watching right now is a show not booked around one person, and you guys are frantically trying to figure out who the one person being booked around is. Even worse, you WANT the show to be booked around one person, because you think it's a demotion to Bryan if it's not him. WWE has ruined so many guys trying to find the Next Stone Cold. But Bryan with his talent and overness has earned that spot. I want him to have the top spot so that WWE can be satisfied with having found their new "The Guy" and put a little more of their efforts on rebuilding everyone else that they damaged in their search. The show is being booked around Big Show for some reason and it just doesn't feel right.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Oct 29, 2013 10:36:39 GMT -5
Their refusal to build other top line stars is going to cost them eventually. It already is, Ratings are dipping at a steady rate, They have been in a holding pattern for years. WWE made itself a giant by Vince's smart choice in stealing and then booking the hot stars the other regional promotions wouldn't. Fast forward and once again he saw the stars WCW pushed aside, Using them he made himself a legit billionaire. It seems like, however, after the loss of competition, he no longer cares. The worst part is, It isn't the smarks who are point out how stale the product is. My good friend mike who is a father of 2 cool as hell boys, love wrestling, thee perfect mark and target audience for wwe, have themselves said it's getting boring.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 29, 2013 10:36:55 GMT -5
I'm not one of the "wait and see where this goes" people but I really believe WM XXX will end with Punk or Bryan standing tall. I have absolutely zero scientific proof, just a gut feeling. Of course if you want conspiracy theory, WM 10 ended with Bret (instead of Luger), WM 20 ended with Benoit and Guerrero (instead of HHH/HBK) and now we have WM 30 ready for another one of the pure wrestler types (instead of Cena/Orton). Again, it holds no water, but I can still dream. If the last 8 Wrestlemanias have taught me anything, it's that they don't care about what is done anymore. We haven't gotten a Wrestlemania moment since Mysterio, and even that didn't go on last. I just think they'd rather go with the sure deal, as opposed to trying anything new. I can't possibly think of any other reason as to why both Orton and Cena are champion right now, unless they decide to unify the titles, that's my gut instinct. Perhaps Orton will lose to someone else along the way, but I doubt it would be Bryan again. I can sense when WWE is moving on from something and investing all their shit in the same old crap, because they've done it so many times before. I'll have no excuse, but the fact is its happening. The WWE is consistently booking Bryan as strong. If they wanted to move him out of the Main Event scene, there wouldn't be all these screw job finishes. Orton would have beaten him clean, proving Triple H right that the guy can't hang, and everyone would have moved on. I wouldn't be so arrogant in saying it WILL happen. Despite how strongly he is made to look in the ring, it doesn't counteract that they don't want anything to do with him holding the WWE title. If they did, they would have done a better job with it. They purposely gave him the title twice for a very brief period so they could wash their hands of this idea that Bryan was held back. They can point to the record books and say "no he wasn't!". Bryan isn't going to fall overnight, nor will he start facing guys like JTG or Hawkins, but he won't be touching the WWE title. I think he may have some title feuds down the road (VERY far down the road), but he won't be winning. If anything, if he must "win the feud", he'll beat Orton at some point when he is neither champion, or the title is on the line.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 29, 2013 10:50:41 GMT -5
Their refusal to build other top line stars is going to cost them eventually. They're already paying more to stay exactly where they are given their increasing dependance on throwing money at the stars of 10 years ago to try and pop a buyrate. What will they do when the shine is gone from Heyman, Brock and Rock? Bring back Batista? Nash again? The kneeless Undertaker in a Professor X style floating wheelchair?
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Post by mizerable on Oct 29, 2013 10:50:54 GMT -5
You know what? YOU guys are the ones needing there to be a Next Stone Cold, not the WWE. What we're watching right now is a show not booked around one person, and you guys are frantically trying to figure out who the one person being booked around is. Even worse, you WANT the show to be booked around one person, because you think it's a demotion to Bryan if it's not him. Uh...no? What I want, what I always wanted is a storyline that isn't half-assed. This entire saga with Bryan from Summerslam to now has been half-assed. You may not think so, but it certainly has been. In terms of a "Stone Cold", well WWE could have had lightning in a bottle with Bryan. He gets amazing reactions, anyone who faces him gets booed. He moves merchandise. Sounds like a no brainer to put him on the front burner, afterall we still have 2 World titles and Cena is busy with the other one. So why should the most over guy in the company, at a time when he is more popular than he may ever will be, lose a top feud, then proceed on to a third string feud? And yes, it's third string, because the Wyatt family is not something that is ever going to be very over due to their lousy ring work. This isn't even about Bryan. If it was anyone else in the seat, I would be saying the same thing. WWE doesn't capitalize on things when they should (if it doesn't fit their agenda, they don't bother trying), and when they attempt something, they completely half ass it and use that as a means or an excuse not to try better, shifting the blame on the talent. It's not internet fans...it's everyone.
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Oct 29, 2013 11:25:07 GMT -5
DB is finished as a main event star/WWE title contender for a while. Sorry folks, but the Royal Rumble win/Wrestlemania moment isn't happening. He'll end up in a solid upper-card match with another in-ring general (Jericho or Punk, probably) just to appease the "technical wrestling" fans. But he's not sniffing that title again for a long time. I don't think they would've had Daniel Bryan make Shawn Michaels tap out if they were done with him in the main event scene. WrestleMania is months out still so there's plenty of time. Good point but honestly (despite their denials) I could see this setting up a DB/HBK match at Wrestlemania. Which would be a great match of course, but like I said, he won't be fighting for the belt.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 29, 2013 11:27:27 GMT -5
I don't think they would've had Daniel Bryan make Shawn Michaels tap out if they were done with him in the main event scene. WrestleMania is months out still so there's plenty of time. Good point but honestly (despite their denials) I could see this setting up a DB/HBK match at Wrestlemania. Which would be a great match of course, but like I said, he won't be fighting for the belt. Fighting HBK at mania will be more of a push to the moon then getting a WWE title match.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 29, 2013 11:33:39 GMT -5
Good point but honestly (despite their denials) I could see this setting up a DB/HBK match at Wrestlemania. Which would be a great match of course, but like I said, he won't be fighting for the belt. Fighting HBK at mania will be more of a push to the moon then getting a WWE title match. I think it's telling that a victory over a retired star of yesteryear means more than holding either world title.
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