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Post by jackswagz on Nov 5, 2013 7:55:17 GMT -5
Really? The dead silent crowd for the final segment would beg to differ. I think anybody could be over in this angle as HHH and Steph are so gruesome though. Saying that they do love when he does his Yes chant...
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 5, 2013 8:03:12 GMT -5
Really? The dead silent crowd for the final segment would beg to differ. I think anybody could be over in this angle as HHH and Steph are so gruesome though. Saying that they do love when he does his Yes chant... Show has had a lot of moments where the crowd popped for him, like when he was threatening to knock out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 8:05:13 GMT -5
Because PG sukked and the WWE is bringing the Attitude Era back!
That's what YouTube wanted right?
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 5, 2013 8:06:08 GMT -5
Really? The dead silent crowd for the final segment would beg to differ. I think anybody could be over in this angle as HHH and Steph are so gruesome though. Saying that they do love when he does his Yes chant... Show has had a lot of moments where the crowd popped for him, like when he was threatening to knock out. I'd imagine that the crowd was silent because of the heels coming out on top to close out Raw. And even then, I spied a few "you suck" chants during that ending.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 5, 2013 8:06:28 GMT -5
Because We The People aren't what's best for business.
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Post by arrx on Nov 5, 2013 8:16:27 GMT -5
It basically as simple is this.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 5, 2013 8:17:49 GMT -5
Doesn't stop them from burying Ziggler repeatedly.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 5, 2013 9:15:34 GMT -5
If it's obvious they'd lose, why risk a young guy who might get tagged as someone who can't get the job done? Big Show's older, more established and won't take that damage badly, especially after all his years yoyoing. That he's the most over he's been in like, 15 years is a bonus. It wouldn't matter if he could get the job done or not because everyone knows that the Authority's eventual downfall will be at the hands of Daniel Bryan or to the dismay of many, John Cena. This would just be a test to see if he could hang in top level storylines with top talents so that they can consider giving him a REAL main event run down the line. I really wanted to see people elevated and get rubs with this story, yet it all seems like a waste. Show's involvement just ruins it. If everyone knows it's going to be Bryan, then why would people get invested in someone else who's new? A lacklustre run on top can be more damaging than a good one in the midcard, ask Jack Swagger or The Miz, might as well stick someone expendable in there.
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Post by CM Parish on Nov 5, 2013 9:21:56 GMT -5
The silent crowd at the end of Raw must have been asking the same question. The only time they make noise for show is when they do Bryan's catchphrase. Well no. Clearly you haven't been watching the last month or so.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 5, 2013 9:45:56 GMT -5
Because they want it to seem fresh when the top faces who actually matter finally get involved in the Authority angle in the buildup to Wrestlemania. I pretty much get that it's just filler, but why not use this "filler" to possibly give someone new a rub. Why not Miz? Why not Dolph? Why not Cody? Why not someone completely out of left field? It just bugs me that Big Show is "important" in 2013. - What has Miz done in the last year or so to show he's ready for a WWE title feud? Plus I don't see a guy who MAIN EVENTED WM AND WON a new fresh person who needs a rub to get over. He had his chance and it didn't work out for him, bummer. - Ziggler doesn't currently have the ability to carry a feud solely on him speaking which is how this program with Show has been built. Ziggler really hasn't shown the mic skill to be able to hang with HHH in the ring without looking like he doesn't belong. - It will be absolutely dumb to have Cody's first ever world title program be one where he's going to lose in 3 straight PPV and then go back in the mid card. Remember how people started to react to Ryback after he lost to Punk for the 18th time? That similarly will happen here when Cody loses 3 times. You don't book a guy who is starting to gain momentum and starting to slowly get really over in a program where he won't win and then dropped him down to mid card status in a feud with Goldy. If it's obvious they'd lose, why risk a young guy who might get tagged as someone who can't get the job done? Big Show's older, more established and won't take that damage badly, especially after all his years yoyoing. That he's the most over he's been in like, 15 years is a bonus. It wouldn't matter if he could get the job done or not because everyone knows that the Authority's eventual downfall will be at the hands of Daniel Bryan or to the dismay of many, John Cena. This would just be a test to see if he could hang in top level storylines with top talents so that they can consider giving him a REAL main event run down the line. I really wanted to see people elevated and get rubs with this story, yet it all seems like a waste. Show's involvement just ruins it. This angle like I said above is purely being built on promos and segments. Do you really want to put a young guy with little experience in a position where it's sink or swim. This guy has to be able to have the ring presence to not look like he's out of HHH's league, be able to tell a story on pure facial emotion and make sure to get the crowd to believe you are a serious threat to beat the bad guys. That's a lot to expect for a young wrestler to accomplish without messing up. And if he does mess up, welp there goes his confidence and fans will mock that guy for the rest of his wrestling career. If it was strictly a wrestling based program, then yea I can see younger guy thriving well, but such a promo heavy program is a lot to put on the plate for young guys with little main event experience. Show even if you dislike him, has done what is needed and can easily take a couple of losses to build up the cooperation, while young guys can't be jobbing and then send straight back down to the midcard.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 5, 2013 9:49:57 GMT -5
After almost 20 years, you'd hope so. You're right of course, but at this point it's gotta be decades of built up goodwill as much as anything else.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 5, 2013 9:50:44 GMT -5
Ironclad contract, thats why.
An ironclad contract you can apparently be fired from...
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 5, 2013 9:58:34 GMT -5
Because he's great at putting people over, and they need to build Randy Resthold up a little bit.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 5, 2013 10:05:15 GMT -5
I pretty much get that it's just filler, but why not use this "filler" to possibly give someone new a rub. Why not Miz? Why not Dolph? Why not Cody? Why not someone completely out of left field? It just bugs me that Big Show is "important" in 2013. Considering all the complaining going on around these parts about how Bryan is being buried 'cause he didn't win the title from Orton (in spite of never taking a clean loss and always getting screwed over by interference), I think most people on here wouldn't see much of a rub in getting to be the next guy to spend a few months similarly failing to topple the Authority. Not every push has to result in a title reign. Wrestling the champion, taking him to his limit and not winning is still a push. It's only this day and age that has lead us to believe that push = title reign rather than push = more prominence on shows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 10:06:49 GMT -5
Have to build to that Big Show/Kane tuxedo match at Mania, so that they can watch the $$$$$ roll in.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 5, 2013 10:13:21 GMT -5
Considering all the complaining going on around these parts about how Bryan is being buried 'cause he didn't win the title from Orton (in spite of never taking a clean loss and always getting screwed over by interference), I think most people on here wouldn't see much of a rub in getting to be the next guy to spend a few months similarly failing to topple the Authority. Not every push has to result in a title reign. Wrestling the champion, taking him to his limit and not winning is still a push. It's only this day and age that has lead us to believe that push = title reign rather than push = more prominence on shows. But not all pushes work out for the best for that person. It's sometimes better to just keep your fragile momentum going in the mid card and slowly rises up when you are sure you got the crowd support rather then going up to the top, losing in a couple of PPV matches then drop back to the spot you were before with potentially your momentum and high overness gone. I'm not saying pushing Cody to face Orton is a certain mistake, but there is no reason for the WWE to take that risk now when he is just starting to get really over.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 5, 2013 10:15:00 GMT -5
Because he's great at putting people over, and they need to build Randy Resthold up a little bit. I'd rather Show turn heel and put someone over who needs it. It would really help a young guy out if he could "slay the giant".
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 5, 2013 10:15:42 GMT -5
Not every push has to result in a title reign. Wrestling the champion, taking him to his limit and not winning is still a push. It's only this day and age that has lead us to believe that push = title reign rather than push = more prominence on shows. But not all pushes work out for the best for that person. It's sometimes better to just keep your fragile momentum going in the mid card and slowly rises up when you are sure you got the crowd support rather then going up to the top, losing in a couple of PPV matches then drop back to the spot you were before with potentially your momentum and high overness gone. I'm not saying pushing Cody to face Orton is a certain mistake, but there is no reason for the WWE to take that risk now when he is just starting to get really over. Oh I'm not saying do it with Cody, Christ no. He's on the hottest run of his career and I think will get a pretty big singles push after Mania next year.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 5, 2013 10:17:39 GMT -5
But not all pushes work out for the best for that person. It's sometimes better to just keep your fragile momentum going in the mid card and slowly rises up when you are sure you got the crowd support rather then going up to the top, losing in a couple of PPV matches then drop back to the spot you were before with potentially your momentum and high overness gone. I'm not saying pushing Cody to face Orton is a certain mistake, but there is no reason for the WWE to take that risk now when he is just starting to get really over. Oh I'm not saying do it with Cody, Christ no. He's on the hottest run of his career and I think will get a pretty big singles push after Mania next year. Oh ok. Just me not getting that you weren't referring to Cody. My bad.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 5, 2013 10:21:35 GMT -5
Because he's great at putting people over, and they need to build Randy Resthold up a little bit. I'd rather Show turn heel and put someone over who needs it. It would really help a young guy out if he could "slay the giant". Give it a week.
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