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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 5, 2013 10:28:48 GMT -5
But not all pushes work out for the best for that person. It's sometimes better to just keep your fragile momentum going in the mid card and slowly rises up when you are sure you got the crowd support rather then going up to the top, losing in a couple of PPV matches then drop back to the spot you were before with potentially your momentum and high overness gone. I'm not saying pushing Cody to face Orton is a certain mistake, but there is no reason for the WWE to take that risk now when he is just starting to get really over. Oh I'm not saying do it with Cody, Christ no. He's on the hottest run of his career and I think will get a pretty big singles push after Mania next year. Yeah I just meant pushes in general. There's a weird attitude on this forum in particular (I don't frequent the rest of the IWC at all) that any push must end in a title otherwise it's not a push, which makes no sense.
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 5, 2013 10:45:30 GMT -5
Because PG sukked and the WWE is bringing the Attitude Era back! That's what YouTube wanted right? John SCENA is teh wurst!1!11 bring the additubdwe ear-a back cuz pg is suxxorzz
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Nov 5, 2013 10:53:01 GMT -5
I'll tell you what, I thought I didn't like the Big Show angle and intellectually I really do feel that I shouldn't but last night I was skyping with a cute girl all throughout RAW and the only thing that could get me to take my earbuds out and focus on the TV for a whole segment was things involving the Big Show. I guess they've succeeded in engaging me. I wouldn't do it for a bunch of my favorite wrestlers, but Big Show's stuff got me. Weird.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 5, 2013 11:00:59 GMT -5
I'm thinking two reasons.
1)Mark Henry got injured again, so they had to drop the Big Show and Mark Henry going after The Shield's tag titles story.
2)This may be the last hurrah of Big Show.
Now point two I have to clarify on: Big Show has been going pretty much straight since 1995. He's less than 5 years from being the same age as Andre was when HE passed on, and 6 from when Big John Studd died.
Granted, there are different circumstances and such, but even if she was being a heel when she mentioned it, Stephanie McMahon wasn't wrong: Big Show's probably not going to live as long as some other members on the roster. So there is a chance he may wanna retire soon.
But this is just speculation on my part.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 11:08:15 GMT -5
If this is Big Show's swan song from wrestling, it makes total sense.
Other than that, if you need such a convoluted, shoddily-crafted storyline to get a 7ft giant with mic skills over with the crowd, you're doing something very, very, very wrong.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 5, 2013 11:39:27 GMT -5
I have no idea. Everything about the Big Show vs the Authority storyline has been pure, classic wrestlecrap. From him being broke, to knocking people out and blubbering, to stealing Bryan's angle, all the way up to that terrible promo last night where just kept rubbing it in to HHH like a sore winner.
Bryan should've won at one of the previous PPVs, Orton failing a rematch in one (Show helps Bryan by stopping an attempted Shield run in), That would've taken care of the last two PPV's. Corporate Kane debuts to take on his ex-friend, continuing pretty much where they left off. Team Hell No was the hottest thing in wresting in the first half of the year. They had just broken up when the Wyatts took out Kane. Hell, they were even involved with Orton when Bryan was trying to prove he's not the weak link. It's sensible, simple booking that writes itself. Inserting broke Big Show has turned into an Impact style clusterf*** of a story. I love Big Show and always defend him when people say he's slow or stale or whatever but his use in this angle has been unnecessary and stupid. We thought Punk would be joining this storyline by now, but it's turned into only Big Show vs HHH, Steph, Shield, Orton and now Kane. And Bryan and Punk are feuding with the Wyatts, even though it was Miz and Kofi they were attacking. What the hell is going on?
Watching WWE storylines unfold is like watching someone trying to build a sandcastle while the tide keeps coming in.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 5, 2013 11:41:57 GMT -5
The only thing I don't like about Big Show being in this is he's kinda stealing the Yes chants.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Nov 5, 2013 11:49:18 GMT -5
Other than that, if you need such a convoluted, shoddily-crafted storyline to get a 7ft giant with mic skills over with the crowd, you're doing something very, very, very wrong. Except, ya know, Big Show was over before this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 12:04:48 GMT -5
Other than that, if you need such a convoluted, shoddily-crafted storyline to get a 7ft giant with mic skills over with the crowd, you're doing something very, very, very wrong. Except, ya know, Big Show was over before this. Exactly, the guy doesn't need such a complex, high-level storyline to further his career.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 5, 2013 12:12:26 GMT -5
It's funny that people are complaining about the Big Show over the MIZ? Really. The reason the Big Show is getting the spot because his size. The man is a Giant and is believable to hold his own in a numbers game. The Miz couldn't. Regardless of who you want to see pushed. The WWE doesn't go way from the reliable. Daniel Bryan is the new guy that got pushed. The WWE doesn't push a bunch of guys in the man angles. The Miz already had his shot at the ME. The guy headlined WM so he not a "new" star. He got pushed down for a reason. That reason for not having a good match with Cena at WM.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 5, 2013 12:27:20 GMT -5
Because he's great at putting people over, and they need to build Randy Resthold up a little bit. I'd rather Show turn heel and put someone over who needs it. It would really help a young guy out if he could "slay the giant". See at this point, I don't think it would. Show's been 'just another guy' on the roster for way too long for the "Giant-slaying" to honestly mean all that much anymore.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 5, 2013 14:49:11 GMT -5
There is no good reason. Almost any powerhouse wrestler could have been plugged into that role. Instead of building new stars, they are fixated on trying to re-heat the old ones. They could have used a younger, up-and-coming wrestler in the role. Someone who was naive and gullible and easily manipulated to do HHH and Stephanie's bidding. It could have created an easy face turn when the rookie eventually had enough and turned on them, but no, they've gone with Big Show and Kane. Even the "face of the company" role could have gone to someone new but no, it's tedious, boring Randy Orton that gets picked.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Nov 5, 2013 15:04:39 GMT -5
Beats the hell out of me.
Nothing at all against Big Show but I thought this storyline was going to help Bryan become this massive star. As we've seen...I guess not. Show is still in this but the guy who many thought that this was for him is now in a random feud with the Wyatt's. Why? They could have even used someone like Ziggler but apparently that's not in the plans either.
It makes you wonder if this was the plan the whole time?...tease the fans with something they want only to yank it away from them in the end. Nothing against Show but it seems like his push as the top babyface in this storyline was slapped together for some reason. Did the PPV's with Bryan main eventing not bring in buys or something?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:15:14 GMT -5
He's the future, brother!
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 5, 2013 15:16:19 GMT -5
I honestly, seriously think that as HHH and the rest of the new generation of bookers and writers take over, this whole idea of "putting people over" and even "getting over" and even "getting a push" is applying less and less and less, to the extent that it seems really weird for people to be saying it around here.
The Big Show is involved in this storyline because they think that they think his real-life years of loyalty to the WWE makes it especially interesting for him to hit his personal limit and finally rebel. I'm not sure they're correct about that, and I don't really like the most recent twists, but hey, it's as good a role as any, and at least it's internally consistent.
Point is, they're finally, FINALLY moving out of the carnie "everyone's out for themselves!" mentality. Big Show is feuding with Orton because they think it serves the story best. It's not about individual performers; it's about the story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:16:31 GMT -5
Maybe Big Show is the only one who can cry on cue.
Though, you'd think guys like Ziggler and Kofi would be able to summon the tears just thinking about the wasted potential of their careers thus far.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 5, 2013 15:30:03 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with it. I'm getting a little tired of hearing "in 2013" as a negative slight on him. He hasn't had the WWE Title as many times as Orton or Cena. I don't care if it's 2013, Big Show has always been a company man since leaving WCW, has been great on the mic which is saying something with the number of other giant wrestlers (aside the Brothers of Destruction) that are terrible. He's has a number of entertaining moments of the year. And while he may have already been over, the crowds have been going ape for him since they stopped portraying him a reluctant heel.
That to me justifies letting him have a thank you run, especially if he does retire soon.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 5, 2013 15:34:34 GMT -5
I'd rather Show turn heel and put someone over who needs it. It would really help a young guy out if he could "slay the giant". See at this point, I don't think it would. Show's been 'just another guy' on the roster for way too long for the "Giant-slaying" to honestly mean all that much anymore. I think it could. Generally, the only people who have been able to get one over on Show have been the already established talents. So someone who hasn't been "made" yet, or even an already established talent who has fallen a bit and needs a little boost to regain momentum and "redeem himself" in the eyes of the fans could still gain a lot from beating a monster heel Big Show.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 5, 2013 15:39:39 GMT -5
That to me justifies letting him have a thank you run, especially if he does retire soon. Weren't his 2006 ECW and 2012 WHC reigns essentially 'thank you' runs?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 5, 2013 15:42:48 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with it. I'm getting a little tired of hearing "in 2013" as a negative slight on him. He hasn't had the WWE Title as many times as Orton or Cena. I don't care if it's 2013, Big Show has always been a company man since leaving WCW, has been great on the mic which is saying something with the number of other giant wrestlers (aside the Brothers of Destruction) that are terrible. He's has a number of entertaining moments of the year. And while he may have already been over, the crowds have been going ape for him since they stopped portraying him a reluctant heel. That to me justifies letting him have a thank you run, especially if he does retire soon. But why does Big Show need a thank you run? It was one thing to give one to Kane or Mark Henry because they spent their entire careers putting people over and had never been champion before that point (or in Kane's case only held it for a day). Show Has already been champion many times. He's the only guy to hold the WWF, WCW, and ECW titles. And he had his thank you run last year with the WHC, which is one of the only reasons that the WHC still exists.
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