ratetankmark
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Post by ratetankmark on Nov 7, 2013 16:46:37 GMT -5
Seriously Billy, move on and shut the f*** up! 'The Superstar' was a stupid nickname anyway!
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 7, 2013 18:20:51 GMT -5
If WWE would suspend Rey, Orton, and Jeff Hardy for violating Wellness, they would have no qualms suspending Ryback. He would have been suspended a long time ago if he was actually on a banned substance. People need to realize Ryback is not on banned substances and get the f*** over it. Read some of the explanations in this thread for why he likely hasn't. You don't know what you're talking about.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Nov 7, 2013 19:55:09 GMT -5
Why was Superstar running Guerrero's funeral? That was Vickie's decision. They were close to the Grahams and had recently moved near them in Arizona IIRC. 'The Superstar' was a stupid nickname anyway! Whoa. No matter how you feel about Graham's statements, the "Superstar" kicked ass back in the day and helped model many wrestlers to be larger than life. Graham definitely seems to suffer from dementia, seeing any videos from him in the last few years, he just seems lost in his thoughts. While I don't agree with some of his statements, I have to at least say it's good that he's been such an opponent of enhancement, especially given his own experiences. Along with pill popping, nothing has destroyed more wrestlers than taking years off their life by having the look. More than anything else, I'm surprised Graham is still alive.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 7, 2013 21:03:16 GMT -5
The whole Ryback must be on legal doses of testosterone is a pretty flawed argument.
If Ryback were to be getting them legally, then that would mean he needs it because his natural testosterone levels are shot, which would mean the doses he's getting would only be enough to get him back to normal levels, which isn't the same amount that people use for muscle gain. So if he was previously using, and that caused him to no longer produce testosterone, then the amount he'd be taking now would actually make him shrink compared to what his previous size was, which he hasn't. So the only logical answers are he's either taking something illegally to maintain his weight and is somehow getting past wellness, or he's able to keep his size naturally.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 7, 2013 21:06:52 GMT -5
Not really a tough assumption that "Ryback is on the gas" since he has a wellness strike from when he was in developmental. Plus, when an admitted 'roider like Superstar says "He looks like I did in 1972" then...yeah, I can see it at least making some sense.
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 7, 2013 21:11:38 GMT -5
Superstar should stick to writing promos for Chael Sonnen
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 7, 2013 21:13:50 GMT -5
Not really a tough assumption that "Ryback is on the gas" since he has a wellness strike from when he was in developmental. Plus, when an admitted 'roider like Superstar says "He looks like I did in 1972" then...yeah, I can see it at least making some sense. But that wellness violation Ryback had in developmental had nothing to do with illegal steroids.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Nov 7, 2013 21:19:10 GMT -5
Not really a tough assumption that "Ryback is on the gas" since he has a wellness strike from when he was in developmental. Plus, when an admitted 'roider like Superstar says "He looks like I did in 1972" then...yeah, I can see it at least making some sense. But that wellness violation Ryback had in developmental had nothing to do with illegal steroids. I was about to ask this, a wellness violation doesn't necessarily mean steroids seeing as the most widely accepted reason for Ricardo failing wellness was that he was taking fat burners.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 7, 2013 21:30:20 GMT -5
The whole Ryback must be on legal doses of testosterone is a pretty flawed argument. If Ryback were to be getting them legally, then that would mean he needs it because his natural testosterone levels are shot, which would mean the doses he's getting would only be enough to get him back to normal levels, which isn't the same amount that people use for muscle gain. So if he was previously using, and that caused him to no longer produce testosterone, then the amount he'd be taking now would actually make him shrink compared to what his previous size was, which he hasn't. So the only logical answers are he's either taking something illegally to maintain his weight and is somehow getting past wellness, or he's able to keep his size naturally. Explain Benoit? WWE admitted that he had bee on absurd levels of testosterone while wrestling there, but claimed he was exempt from a Wellness failure because a doctor legally prescribed the dose. Their hands were tied.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 7, 2013 21:37:08 GMT -5
Whoa. No matter how you feel about Graham's statements, the "Superstar" kicked ass back in the day and helped model many wrestlers to be larger than life. Well if the superstar is so great then why is everyone in WWE a superstar now? Suddenly doesn't seem so special, does he?
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 7, 2013 21:53:43 GMT -5
The whole Ryback must be on legal doses of testosterone is a pretty flawed argument. If Ryback were to be getting them legally, then that would mean he needs it because his natural testosterone levels are shot, which would mean the doses he's getting would only be enough to get him back to normal levels, which isn't the same amount that people use for muscle gain. So if he was previously using, and that caused him to no longer produce testosterone, then the amount he'd be taking now would actually make him shrink compared to what his previous size was, which he hasn't. So the only logical answers are he's either taking something illegally to maintain his weight and is somehow getting past wellness, or he's able to keep his size naturally. Explain Benoit? WWE admitted that he had bee on absurd levels of testosterone while wrestling there, but claimed he was exempt from a Wellness failure because a doctor legally prescribed the dose. Their hands were tied. The wellness policy has gotten a bit stricter since the Benoit incident. Not to mention that Benoit was likely using more than what a doctor can legally prescribe someone with low test levels, thus making what he was doing illegal.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 7, 2013 22:12:45 GMT -5
Explain Benoit? WWE admitted that he had bee on absurd levels of testosterone while wrestling there, but claimed he was exempt from a Wellness failure because a doctor legally prescribed the dose. Their hands were tied. The wellness policy has gotten a bit stricter since the Benoit incident. Not to mention that Benoit was likely using more than what a doctor can legally prescribe someone with low test levels, thus making what he was doing illegal. Which means that others may have or may be doing the same. The Wellness policy has holes in it. And TRT is one major one. I don't know why people have such a problem grasping this. What's more logical, that some guys just work out harder than lower level guys, despite equal schedules (or busier ones if you're a main eventer expected to do P.R.). Or that certain guys are legally prescribed things by mark doctors and thus not penalized according to the rules of Wellness itself? Considering the sheer number of guys who have been on steroids, died at 40 in part from them, I find it highly naive to think that a monster like Ryback just so happens to be wrestling's only genetic freak ever.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 7, 2013 22:31:26 GMT -5
The wellness policy has gotten a bit stricter since the Benoit incident. Not to mention that Benoit was likely using more than what a doctor can legally prescribe someone with low test levels, thus making what he was doing illegal. Which means that others may have or may be doing the same. The Wellness policy has holes in it. And TRT is one major one. I don't know why people have such a problem grasping this. What's more logical, that some guys just work out harder than lower level guys, despite equal schedules (or busier ones if you're a main eventer expected to do P.R.). Or that certain guys are legally prescribed things by mark doctors and thus not penalized according to the rules of Wellness itself? Considering the sheer number of guys who have been on steroids, died at 40 in part from them, I find it highly naive to think that a monster like Ryback just so happens to be wrestling's only genetic freak ever. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying if Ryback were to be getting enough steroids to be able to gain muscle mass, then that would make what he's doing illegal. That has nothing to do with if he can get around wellness or if he has a prescription. I don't know if Ryback is on anything or not, which is why I said he's either taking something illegally, or he's completely natural.
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 7, 2013 22:47:41 GMT -5
Whoa. No matter how you feel about Graham's statements, the "Superstar" kicked ass back in the day and helped model many wrestlers to be larger than life. Well if the superstar is so great then why is everyone in WWE a superstar now? Suddenly doesn't seem so special, does he? Considering Graham worked in the 70s when kayfabe was still a big thing and they called the talent wrestlers, I'd say it's pretty damn good nickname.
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Post by brooklynmets on Nov 7, 2013 23:46:04 GMT -5
Bleed to death on his own blood? That sick MONSTER.
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Surfer Sandman
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 8, 2013 0:52:55 GMT -5
Uhh?
Oh right, this is the "Steroid Superstar" William Graham.
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Post by YaakovLee on Nov 8, 2013 1:52:44 GMT -5
If WWE would suspend Rey, Orton, and Jeff Hardy for violating Wellness, they would have no qualms suspending Ryback. He would have been suspended a long time ago if he was actually on a banned substance. People need to realize Ryback is not on banned substances and get the f*** over it. Read some of the explanations in this thread for why he likely hasn't. You don't know what you're talking about. There's no need to be rude to the poster when you're making pretty wild assumptions yourself. Have you sold Ryback drugs? Do you work for WWE? Do you have results to his drug tests? If you answered no to any of those questions then there's a good chance that you're not an expert either, but a mark with an internet connection.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 8, 2013 2:56:42 GMT -5
Read some of the explanations in this thread for why he likely hasn't. You don't know what you're talking about. There's no need to be rude to the poster when you're making pretty wild assumptions yourself. Have you sold Ryback drugs? Do you work for WWE? Do you have results to his drug tests? If you answered no to any of those questions then there's a good chance that you're not an expert either, but a mark with an internet connection. "People need to get the f*** over it." That's what he wrote. It was an abrasive statement. It deserved an equally abrasive answer. Had it been worded in a less antagonistic way, I'd have addressed it politely. And I never said it was fact that Ryback was on anything. I never spoke in absolutes. I was simply speculating on a widespread issue in other sports that could easily translate to wrestling. After all, many people of Ryback's proportions have been on steroids, and some are dead because of it. It is not out of the realm of possibility that wrestlers are utilizing the same loopholes as say MMA fighters. In fact, it's downright naive to think no one is. Or that someone not getting busted means irrefutably that they aren't on anything despite so many red flags and ways to mask. Ryback's innocent until proven guilty of course, but there is grounds for speculation. That said, I myself have (stupidly) been on steroids. I can speak with a certain level of experience on it. I'm also a sports journalist who has covered both MMA and Pro wrestling extensively for 15 years and spoken at length to a lot of them on the very subject to get their point of view. Hardly a "mark."
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Nov 8, 2013 3:47:58 GMT -5
That said, I myself have (stupidly) been on steroids. Yeah, you really shouldn't take steroids just to look good on a People Magazine cover.
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Surfer Sandman
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 8, 2013 3:55:18 GMT -5
Carless always has the best Facebook statuses. Never fails to make me laugh.
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