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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -5
It's just tedious to watch a lot of the time.
I don't know if it's just a function of me being older, having a ton of other forms of entertainment at my fingers in seconds, a lot of the reasons already stated, or more likely some combination of all of the above; but rare is the time I'll watch a full show or ppv, and not just either tune out and watch/read/play something else for awhile, or just tune out for the duration after the first hour.
I guess that's my main beef, so much of the time now, it's kinda boring.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 13, 2013 22:49:11 GMT -5
I still say we should use Twitter, or whatever other social media to get the point across that need to put everyone into actual feuds with each other.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 13, 2013 22:56:19 GMT -5
- Book something lower than the uppermidcard for once. Following on from the above point, why can't they stick Fandango and Tons of Funk in a short 4 week feud about dancing or something? Why can't the Real Americans actually feud on Main Event/SD with some of the foreign contingent? Make every wrestler look important and the WWE will start to get somewhere. I've wanted a Brodus Clay/Johnny Curtis feud ever since Brodus debuted as the Funkasaurus. I agree that the lower midcard should have more feuds. I'd actually love it if SmackDown were focused on mid- to low- card storylines with 1-2 top talents making rotating "special appearances" for the sake of the ratings/ticket sales. |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 13, 2013 22:58:29 GMT -5
^ There is a guy who wants to tackle the Cena workload.  He sure does.  |
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 13, 2013 23:04:50 GMT -5
IMO, the biggest problem with WWE is their dependence on John Cena. They actually had to rush him back out of injury because he was pretty much their only hope. I remember when Cena's last two big injuries in 2007 and 2008. Back then, a Cena injury wasn't such a big deal to WWE because they had other top faces in Batista, HBK, HHH, and Taker (and Mysterio to a lesser extent). Nowadays, Batista and HBK are gone, while Mysterio, HHH and Taker are nearing the end of their careers. Add Edge to the "retired" list, and that's even a bigger hit for WWE. WWE has had two big opportunities on making a new top face (Orton and Punk), but were too afraid to take that risk and stuck with Cena. Ryback and Bryan bombed in the top face role, and Sheamus never really counted because he was always on SmackDown.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 13, 2013 23:08:26 GMT -5
IMO, the biggest problem with WWE is their dependence on John Cena. They actually had to rush him back out of injury because he was pretty much their only hope. I remember when Cena's last two big injuries in 2007 and 2008. Back then, a Cena injury wasn't such a big deal to WWE because they had other top faces in Batista, HBK, HHH, and Taker (and Mysterio to a lesser extent). Nowadays, Batista and HBK are gone, while Mysterio, HHH and Taker are nearing the end of their careers. Add Edge to the "retired" list, and that's even a bigger hit for WWE. WWE has had two big opportunities on making a new top face (Orton and Punk), but were too afraid to take that risk and stuck with Cena. Ryback and Bryan bombed in the top face role, and Sheamus never really counted because he was always on SmackDown. Bryan didn't bomb. He was never given a real chance. |
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 13, 2013 23:17:36 GMT -5
IMO, the biggest problem with WWE is their dependence on John Cena. They actually had to rush him back out of injury because he was pretty much their only hope. I remember when Cena's last two big injuries in 2007 and 2008. Back then, a Cena injury wasn't such a big deal to WWE because they had other top faces in Batista, HBK, HHH, and Taker (and Mysterio to a lesser extent). Nowadays, Batista and HBK are gone, while Mysterio, HHH and Taker are nearing the end of their careers. Add Edge to the "retired" list, and that's even a bigger hit for WWE. WWE has had two big opportunities on making a new top face (Orton and Punk), but were too afraid to take that risk and stuck with Cena. Ryback and Bryan bombed in the top face role, and Sheamus never really counted because he was always on SmackDown. Bryan didn't bomb. He was never given a real chance. What I meant to say was: "Ryback bombed in the top face role. WWE never had any faith in Bryan. Sheamus never really counted because he was always on SmackDown." Better? |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 13, 2013 23:31:26 GMT -5
Bryan didn't lose his chance. He has a long term chance. They set the stage for him to win the Rumble (or Elimination Chamber). If he kept the Title after SummerSlam, then what? If he beat Randy clean, who else could he really face? Turn Punk heel again? They would almost have to have him join the Authority and people would accept that even less than when he turned heel on The Rock last year. Alberto Del Rio? Virtually everyone here hates him, and he admittedly does have a problem maintaining a consistent amount of heat. Mark Henry? He's still injured. Sheamus? Also still injured. Sandow? They'd run the risk of him being pushed too soon like Miz and Swagger.
The real problem wasn't letting Daniel Bryan win the belt, they've done it before with guys like Austin and Mankind. The real problem is they haven't taken enough time to build enough credible heels around Orton. Cena isn't a problem, he's only holding the WHC Title and they now have Bryan and Punk behind him. But who do they have can fill in Orton's spot? What will happen if he actually injured his arm and shoulder last Monday?
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 13, 2013 23:45:02 GMT -5
Bryan didn't lose his chance. He has a long term chance. They set the stage for him to win the Rumble (or Elimination Chamber). If he kept the Title after SummerSlam, then what? If he beat Randy clean, who else could he really face? Turn Punk heel again? They would almost have to have him join the Authority and people would accept that even less than when he turned heel on The Rock last year. Alberto Del Rio? Virtually everyone here hates him, and he admittedly does have a problem maintaining a consistent amount of heat. Mark Henry? He's still injured. Sheamus? Alsom still injured. Sandow? They'd run the risk of him being pushed too soon like Miz and Swagger. The real problem wasn't letting Daniel Bryan win the belt, they've done it before with guys like Austin and Mankind. The real problem is they haven't taken enough time to build enough credible heels around Orton. Cena isn't a problem, he's only holding the WHC Title and they now have Bryan and Punk behind him. But who do they have can fill in Orton's spot? What will happen if he actually injured his arm and shoulder last Monday? I'd turn Ziggler back heel. He and Bryan could have a great feud. Maybe I would've given Swagger the shot. Maybe Ambrose can have a shot? Even a heel R-Truth could work! My #1 idea for Bryan, however, is to have him feud with a returning Jericho. There's a lot of great options for Bryan. WWE just don't have any faith in him as a main eventer. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Nov 14, 2013 0:28:02 GMT -5
1.The overuse of the words, "legend" and "respect"
2.Heels having to resort to cheap insults of a city to get heat rather than personal shots at their opponent.
3.Faces are perfect, have no flaws whatsoever. Too many Mary Sues, not enough anti-heroes.
4.Heel Authority Figures need to go.
5.Tag Matches are the same.
6.Mid-card sucks.
7.Titles mean nothing outside of the WWE and World (whenever a Main Eventer is holding that belt).
8.The current consistent Main Eventers are John Cena (Main Eventer for nearly 9 years now), Randy Orton (Main Eventer for nearly a decade), Alberto Del Rio (who the crowd doesn't care for), Big Show (Main Eventer for a total of 17 years now), Triple H (Main Eventer for 14 years), Undertaker (Part-time, main eventer for over 20 years), Brock Lesnar (Part-time, main eventer for over a decade), CM Punk (Main Eventer for 2 years), Kane (Main Eventer for 15 years), and MAYBE, MAYBE Daniel Bryan (freshest face). Hardly anyone new.
9.Announcers are stale. Lawler has been on the team for 20 years, Cole for 15, and JBL tries to get himself over. They just talk about themselves and the Main Event scene and nothing else.
10.No characters, at all. Everyone just feels ordinary. Yet you have Fandango, whose going nowhere, 3MB, whose going nowhere, and Los Matadores (which feels straight out of 1993). Other than that, Heels are aggressive assholes and Faces are Mary Sues.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Nov 14, 2013 1:44:17 GMT -5
There just aren't any fresh feuds anymore, since everyone wrestles everyone after so long on the roster. As a result, pay-per-views don't have the same build they used to have. People complained about the "filler" matches on old Wrestlemanias, but I was excited for those, since they were at least fresh and it was up in the air (most of the time) as to who would win.
I might get heat for this, but I say bring back enhancement talent. Have 2-3 "feature bouts" on each show between established guys, and have the rest of the matches as jobber squashes, and spend the show hyping an upcoming ppv, and the matches we will see then.
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 14, 2013 1:47:19 GMT -5
3.Faces are perfect, have no flaws whatsoever. Too many Mary Sues, not enough anti-heroes. No! We need flawed heroes, NOT anti-heroes. There's a huge difference. I'm so f***ing SICK of anti-heroes! I do not ever want to see another Stone Cold Steve Austin wannabe. Just give heroes freaking flaws instead of straight out antiheroism... |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 14, 2013 2:02:51 GMT -5
There just aren't any fresh feuds anymore, since everyone wrestles everyone after so long on the roster. As a result, pay-per-views don't have the same build they used to have. People complained about the "filler" matches on old Wrestlemanias, but I was excited for those, since they were at least fresh and it was up in the air (most of the time) as to who would win. I might get heat for this, but I say bring back enhancement talent. Have 2-3 "feature bouts" on each show between established guys, and have the rest of the matches as jobber squashes, and spend the show hyping an upcoming ppv, and the matches we will see then. I don't think jobber squashes are necessary to keep the stars away from each other. A better idea would be to better utilize the entire active roster. The Wheel of Aggression stuff where low card talents are fed to higher ranking talents is a good idea in theory that is poorly executed. Low card talents jobbing is fine. The problem lies in that they're used EXCLUSIVELY as jobbers to the point where they have little to no credibility. If you book Alberto Del Rio vs. Zack Ryder, then of course Del Rio should win, but that match should go no shorter than five minutes and the lesser ranking talent should look strong even in a loss. Also, they need to stop having only Kofi, Ryder, or 3MB doing practically 95 % of the jobbing when there are guys sitting at home not being used at all. Throw Yoshi, JTG, Otunga, Hawkins, Hunico, Camacho, Riley etc. in the mix once in a while. Stop wasting guys like Ricardo and Maddox in non-wrestling roles. Have the tag team guys work singles matches more often when they aren't directly in the tag title picture, a guy like Jimmy Uso or Darren Young can afford to lose a singles match because they aren't being highlighted as singles stars. I think a proper middle ground would be to use NXT talents in that role. Use the dregs of NXT to get squashed, or test some of the developmental prospects like Neville, Woods, Tyler Breeze or Corey Graves in matches where they can showcase their movesets, look strong in a loss, and make the WWE universe look forward to their official debut. Using local indy jobbers would needlessly take a TV spot away from a current talent. |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 14, 2013 5:43:06 GMT -5
I've read a few comments on here about cutting down on promo's and having more wrestling. That suits US. The casual fan? Not so much. I know a guy who "watches" wrestling and he says he only watches it FOR the drama and storylines, and he zips through the matches. I obviously don't speak to him much. Check whenever there's a ratings result in though. The ratings dip heavily whenever there's an actual wrestling match. That can't be a coincidence. I agree with this. What do they expect when they show the same damn matches all the time. I'll stop for all the promos but if it's a match like Los Matadores cs 3MB that I've seen six times in a month I'll watch it on fast forward. |
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 14, 2013 16:39:55 GMT -5
Another problem I have with WWE is the horrible booking of heels. They lose more often than not, are made to look like cowards, and are always stuck in midcard hell after one random push.
The only heels who are being booked strongly are Randy Orton, Alberto Del Rio, The Shield, and the Wyatt Family.
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Post by kidglov3s on Nov 14, 2013 18:46:11 GMT -5
Another problem I have with WWE is the horrible booking of heels. They lose more often than not, are made to look like cowards, and are always stuck in midcard hell after one random push. The only heels who are being booked strongly are Randy Orton, Alberto Del Rio, The Shield, and the Wyatt Family. Sometimes this is taken to absurd extremes, like those matches where Dolph would have AJ and Big E interfere to help him and still lose a meaningless tv match to Cena. |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 24, 2013 23:22:12 GMT -5
Bumping this because I don't think a bunch of different threads complaining over SS are necessary when one is fine.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 25, 2013 0:39:54 GMT -5
It's just tedious to watch a lot of the time. I don't know if it's just a function of me being older, having a ton of other forms of entertainment at my fingers in seconds, a lot of the reasons already stated, or more likely some combination of all of the above; but rare is the time I'll watch a full show or ppv, and not just either tune out and watch/read/play something else for awhile, or just tune out for the duration after the first hour. I guess that's my main beef, so much of the time now, it's kinda boring. Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head. You know I think the big thing for me is, maybe I'm way off too, but the WWE is so far up it's own ass. Every Raw it's WWE promoting it's Be a Star, or breast cancer, the WWE App, Did you know, or all these other things. You'd think the WWE as a single entity has this massive inferiority complex that it has to promote what a good company it is all the damn time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 2:56:17 GMT -5
3.Faces are perfect, have no flaws whatsoever. Too many Mary Sues, not enough anti-heroes. No! We need flawed heroes, NOT anti-heroes. There's a huge difference. I'm so f***ing SICK of anti-heroes! I do not ever want to see another Stone Cold Steve Austin wannabe. Just give heroes freaking flaws instead of straight out antiheroism... Also, the faces aren't anything right now. We know they're faces only because we know who the heels are. There's nothing more upstanding about the Usos than there is Cody Rhodes, or Kofi Kingston. They just aren't anything. Characters are defined by the stupidest things. The Usos say "Oos" and we say "Oh". Cody Rhodes is in the Rhodes family. Daniel Bryan says yes. Antonio Cesaro swings people. Santino wears a sock puppet on his hand. You can't really expend more than a short sentence to define any midcard talent. what we have are neither white bread heroes or saucy anti-heroes. Everyone's interchangeable. I really would love to sit with Vince McMahon through an episode of RAW and hear what the rationale is for this kind of booking. We talk about how WWE is all promos and no action but all I ever remember about any episode of RAW is piles of matches over a 3 hour period with no heat to them. Cody Rhodes had everyone thinking that he was gonna be a star very soon, it was genuinely compelling watching him fight for his job, he cut one of the best short and sweet promos to date on his way out, then even though he's great on the mic, they brought him back and basically let his family do all the talking for him, WWE slaps their hands together and is pleased with their work, so now all Goldust and Cody Rhodes are, are those guys who we really rooted for in September. It's like they think when a star reaches a certain level, all you gotta do is bring him out and he'll always be that over, forgetting that you have to put in work to keep him there or attempt exceed it. The shows inability to take two opposite personalities and put them against each other is baffling. Even if it's the stupidest story ever I'd just appreciate any story they could tell with the midcard, what are writers hired for other than to tell stories? |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 4, 2014 15:08:30 GMT -5
Time to bump this again since almost everyone is still hot with WWE for not putting Daniel Bryan in the Royal Rumble match. I don't care for Batista winning it myself, when he could have gone after the Title in the Summer when his movie is in August. I can't help but wonder if Disney/Marvel put pressure on WWE or something?
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