theryno665
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Post by theryno665 on Nov 19, 2013 17:33:19 GMT -5
What was the deal with the fatassed ref wearing all black? Dude probably could have went to Foot Locker and rented a ref suit or something. They could've done a lot of things they didn't do.
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theryno665
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Post by theryno665 on Nov 19, 2013 17:42:31 GMT -5
wouldnt dream of asking u bryan why dont u unlike this page and just go away dont waste your time....u to james or try to go get a date u have put an awful lot of time and effort into....see if u get on one of those chats on how to get a date u need something to occupy your time instead of putting so much into guys in their underwear wrestling in a ring Says the WRESTLING PROMOTER! Dumbass... Though if they turn this around and call their next show "Just Some Dudes In Underwear", I might be interested.
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Nov 20, 2013 12:31:31 GMT -5
What a bunch of delusional f***s. I'm want to know how they did a battle royale with no ring and just the small red mat. You're eliminated when both feet touch the floor. Everyone is eliminated. There's a pretty epic argument between the "promoter" and Gregory Iron going on right now on Facebook. When the promoter denied it being a "Macho Man Randy Savage Tribute Show", Greg posted the email he was sent telling him as such. This guy barely has a grasp on the English language and he's losing an online flame war to a guy with one good hand. reading this then scrolling down to see that pic of Raven in your sig made me bust the f*** out laughing.
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Post by Larryhausen on Nov 20, 2013 13:24:34 GMT -5
Having no ring and cancelling = loss of money Having no ring and having two senior citizens wrestle on a mat with a rat tailed fan as ref = now considered a huge joke online in the eyes or fans and wrestlers Yeah, cancelling wasn't the worst idea. I'm sure they're all devastated that there are multi-page threads on every wrestling forum on the Internet, not to mention Facebook, discussing their wrestling organization. It certainly isn't true for the big-time feds, but for small-time indies, any publicity is good publicity. The people who are talking about this aren't going to touch one of these promotions with a ten foot pole. A lot of Indy guys probably wouldn't either. Seriously, the only audience these guys have left are the people who are gonna go to a show just because it says "Wrestling." In this case, yeah there is such a thing as bad publicity.
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 23, 2013 18:49:43 GMT -5
That honestly is kind of classy from Nikolai and wasn't he a trained wrestler like in the mat sense anyway Nikolai is one of the kindest people I have ever met. I can say the same thing about Jimmy Valiant. In knowing both personally for several years I have never heard either say a bad word about anyone or anything. If the promoter wants to see the show through, no matter the venues condition, I know Nikolai and Jimmy will see their part through so the promoter and the fan get their respective money's worth. Both men gave me the inspiration to see me through the publishing phase of book writing and it may not be a New York Times best seller like Foley's (hopefully not for lack of talent or trying) but they do not turn down their friends or fans their kindness or honest promoters their name and that is something I greatly admire. Now can I get some views for this video...at least more than the no ring promoter got for his... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul17fVXXxVc
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 25, 2013 0:37:12 GMT -5
Having seen more than one promotion operating this way (and I have a sneaky suspicion that the rest of the talent got zilch if Nikolai and Fulton _each_ got $50 and no transportation), I wouldn't say necessarily that it would kill a market. It would, however, dry up the promoter's ability to bring in talent and diminish interest in most other independent promotions. Quite honestly, if you can't afford a ring and to pay your entire roster for a night even before you've sold a ticket, you shouldn't even be in the business.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2013 7:38:59 GMT -5
Having seen more than one promotion operating this way (and I have a sneaky suspicion that the rest of the talent got zilch if Nikolai and Fulton _each_ got $50 and no transportation), I wouldn't say necessarily that it would kill a market. It would, however, dry up the promoter's ability to bring in talent and diminish interest in most other independent promotions. Quite honestly, if you can't afford a ring and to pay your entire roster for a night even before you've sold a ticket, you shouldn't even be in the business. There is a guy complaining on their Facebook page that he drove 90 minutes to work the show and got a $10 payoff, when he had been promised $50.
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Post by Rave on Nov 25, 2013 7:56:34 GMT -5
I'm still LOLing at the guy who keeps claiming you have to like a page to comment on it. Uh, no you don't.
And the "promoter" responding to someone asking how long he's been doing it for with a math problem. I just love watching trainwrecks continue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 8:24:24 GMT -5
This whole time I walked into the thread thinking it was Volkoff vs. Bobby EATON.
One misread name introduced me to 5 pages of hilarity and sadness at the same time. Bra-vo!
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 25, 2013 8:30:58 GMT -5
Having seen more than one promotion operating this way (and I have a sneaky suspicion that the rest of the talent got zilch if Nikolai and Fulton _each_ got $50 and no transportation), I wouldn't say necessarily that it would kill a market. It would, however, dry up the promoter's ability to bring in talent and diminish interest in most other independent promotions. Quite honestly, if you can't afford a ring and to pay your entire roster for a night even before you've sold a ticket, you shouldn't even be in the business. Where does it say the legends only got $50 and no transportation?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2013 10:31:11 GMT -5
I downloaded the Facebook video linked in the OP, but it has a huge watermark on it. Beggars (me) can't be choosers (Ash Ketchum). Please do the right thing, AJ, and upload it somewhere. The promoter has been good enough to re-upload it. With glorious commentary!
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Post by Fuj the Stooge on Nov 27, 2013 6:02:46 GMT -5
I hope Mike Tenay isn't too upset about his grandfather doing commentary for a rival promotion. thanks I'll be here all week
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Post by doinkmark on Nov 27, 2013 8:09:30 GMT -5
Having recently put on my first (non-wrestling) show, I can sympathize with the promoter to a point. Sometimes things really do happen out of your control and you have to work with what you've got or cancel and have nothing to show for it except a bill you'd have had either way. That said, if you DO decide to go ahead with a show and things don't go as planned, you also have to be prepared to handle the criticism that comes with that decision. This promoter trash-talking people on Facebook is no way to conduct yourself or your business. I don't see this promotion lasting much longer.
Wasn't there a long-standing rumor that Vince Russo wanted to get rid of the wrestling ring in WCW? I guess this is a glimpse into what that would've been like.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 27, 2013 11:10:02 GMT -5
I've only met Nikolai one time, but the classy answer doesn't surprise me just based on that one meeting. Everything about that meeting led me to believe he's a great guy and I walked away a bigger fan than I'd been to start with.
As for Bobby Fulton, he wrestled "Action" Mike Jackson (former TBS enhancement talent, in his 60s) at Fanfest this year and it was a hell of an old school match. Fulton worked heel and was damn good at it. Remember that hip-shimmy thing he did as a pretty boy babyface in the Fantastics? Turns out it works well when you do it as a slightly soft around the middle, balding, middle aged heel, too.
As for the deal with the show...it sucks, but I can't fault the guy for going ahead with it. That's a decision I can see going either way. But the way he's conducted himself since then has been absolutely ridiculous. The smart thing would have been to release one (BRIEF!) statement about how things sometimes unfortunately happen, thank everyone who decided to make the show anyway, and promise things will be corrected next time. That's it, that's all you say. Then you bust your ass to make sure things actually ARE corrected on the next show.
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Post by SOR on Nov 27, 2013 19:49:24 GMT -5
Having seen more than one promotion operating this way (and I have a sneaky suspicion that the rest of the talent got zilch if Nikolai and Fulton _each_ got $50 and no transportation), I wouldn't say necessarily that it would kill a market. It would, however, dry up the promoter's ability to bring in talent and diminish interest in most other independent promotions. Quite honestly, if you can't afford a ring and to pay your entire roster for a night even before you've sold a ticket, you shouldn't even be in the business. There is a guy complaining on their Facebook page that he drove 90 minutes to work the show and got a $10 payoff, when he had been promised $50. Lol, I love when indy wrestlers do this. It's fifty bucks. No problem working for 50 bucks but if it doesn't come through do you have to go posting about it on Facebook and acting unprofessional? I'm in the acting business and if it's a relatively small sum (Under 200) I'm not going to chase it up that much. I definitely would NOT go public with it no matter how wrong the employer/promoter/whoever is Case and point, I'm currently owed 50 dollars for an 8 minute work place video I did. I haven't chased the guy up and it's been about 3 weeks now. I remember a story a few months back where Brian Cage was allegedly doing the same thing. I don't get it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 27, 2013 20:30:38 GMT -5
There is a guy complaining on their Facebook page that he drove 90 minutes to work the show and got a $10 payoff, when he had been promised $50. Lol, I love when indy wrestlers do this. It's fifty bucks. No problem working for 50 bucks but if it doesn't come through do you have to go posting about it on Facebook and acting unprofessional? I'm in the acting business and if it's a relatively small sum (Under 200) I'm not going to chase it up that much. I definitely would NOT go public with it no matter how wrong the employer/promoter/whoever is Case and point, I'm currently owed 50 dollars for an 8 minute work place video I did. I haven't chased the guy up and it's been about 3 weeks now. I remember a story a few months back where Brian Cage was allegedly doing the same thing. I don't get it. When the promoter is claiming everybody who worked the show was paid in full and happy to have worked the show, you don't think it's acceptable for someone to call them out on their BS? Would $10 even have covered gas for a three-hour round trip? Not everyone, especially indy workers, have the luxury of not chasing up money owed to them like you do. Letting promoters get away with that kind of behaviour isn't acceptable, and outing them is the only way to do something about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 20:57:34 GMT -5
There is a guy complaining on their Facebook page that he drove 90 minutes to work the show and got a $10 payoff, when he had been promised $50. Lol, I love when indy wrestlers do this. It's fifty bucks. No problem working for 50 bucks but if it doesn't come through do you have to go posting about it on Facebook and acting unprofessional? I'm in the acting business and if it's a relatively small sum (Under 200) I'm not going to chase it up that much. I definitely would NOT go public with it no matter how wrong the employer/promoter/whoever is Case and point, I'm currently owed 50 dollars for an 8 minute work place video I did. I haven't chased the guy up and it's been about 3 weeks now. I remember a story a few months back where Brian Cage was allegedly doing the same thing. I don't get it. Contact your Union rep (if you have one) or a standard legal rep, as someone who's not been paid for stage & music work before chasing it up isn't hard and for your own reputation ("didn't pay him, he didn't mind!" said passively in conversation to other people liable to employ you or give you projects can lead to you getting undercut regularly) it's good to make people know you always get what you're promised and won't accept crap. Seriously, "it's only $40 under" as an argument is awful, if you're working in any form of business and not getting paid a professional bitching against a renegade/badly organised/dishonest company is pretty much standard for any independent performer, wrestler, actor, musician, regardless of your standing. Albeit, under $200 Australian to me is a huge amount (week and a half rent for my tiny craptacular place), so maybe it's just that making me post this.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 27, 2013 21:00:20 GMT -5
I wish I had not opened this thread. It's just sad to see those pictures.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 27, 2013 22:35:12 GMT -5
They do this in Japan all the time and nobody really cares. DDT are known for it as are Ice Ribbon. Gregory Iron feeling he's above working for 20 bucks is pretty funny as well. Dude is known for teaming with Gowen in obscure indies. Gowen is worth more but only because he was in the E. I've always found it funny that wrestlers bad mouth people when a price is offered though. If twenty bucks is too little for you then say "No thank you" no need to bad mouth someone publically. You mean DDT, the promotion that focuses on comedy? The promotion that uses the ring unless it's for a joke like when the table beat the ladder for the Ironman championship? Or the Camp Ground Tag match?
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Post by B.A. on Nov 27, 2013 23:26:29 GMT -5
I can not believe how bitter Gregory Iron has become. It's a simple event, both Fulton and Nikolai seem pleased, people were entertained. That's all that matters.
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