ratetankmark
Samurai Cop
Equalist Lex Luthor
RIP Rik Mayall, you blimmen genius - Ria Vandervis on Rik Mayall
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 1, 2013 13:21:10 GMT -5
Let's be real here, when you think about it we take pleasure in watching grown men in their underwear making ugly faces and pretend fighting other men in their underwear so why not go completely insane with wrestling, like Chikara, as long as you have good wrestling and good characters combined with a good crowd who are into the match and lose themselves, allowing themselves to get totally 110% involved in the match.
I don't follow promotions like ROH for a reason and that reason is that they seem incapable to laugh at themselves or have fun, personally I'd happily never watch ROH again in exchange for a promotion that has a sense of humour like DDT.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Dec 1, 2013 14:03:52 GMT -5
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Professor Chaos
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Bringer of Destruction and Maker of Doom
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 1, 2013 14:06:03 GMT -5
Carelessness spoils it.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 1, 2013 14:08:50 GMT -5
I don't follow promotions like ROH for a reason and that reason is that they seem incapable to laugh at themselves or have fun... if you did follow ROH, you'd know that sentence is a load of crap
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ratetankmark
Samurai Cop
Equalist Lex Luthor
RIP Rik Mayall, you blimmen genius - Ria Vandervis on Rik Mayall
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 1, 2013 14:44:08 GMT -5
I don't follow promotions like ROH for a reason and that reason is that they seem incapable to laugh at themselves or have fun... if you did follow ROH, you'd know that sentence is a load of crap That is why I said I didn't follow it, I've never claimed to follow it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 14:55:01 GMT -5
Jim Cornette disagrees. "Funny don't make money, and comedy exposes wrestling." ... all while he films one interview after another where he threatens to kill people in these "shoots" (for a couple hundred $).
"Stop enjoying it now! Serious face!" *slaps Santino*
/joking
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Scott Parker
Trap-Jaw
some wrestler you've never heard of
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Post by Scott Parker on Dec 1, 2013 15:13:00 GMT -5
Comedy has it's place in wrestling, sure, but it there has to be a balance. Even though the majority of the people know that it is not a legit sporting competition, for 1-3 hours they like to forget. They want to get lost in it all, yell at the bad guys, and cheer on the heroes. If you go too ridiculous, a good portion of them feel like their intelligence is being insulted. They think all the wrestlers, bookers, promoters are sitting in the back guffawing saying, "can you believe these inbred yokels think this is real? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" All the while counting the large amounts of money they just took from them.
Chikara and the like have a large, dedicated fanbase. This fact cannot be disputed, but it is highly unlikely they will make it to #1 or #2 promotion in the country with the product revolving around ants, ice-cream men, and the like. Nothing wrong with enjoying that, but that's not what the majority of wrestling fans want to see.
The serious feuds and matches are what sells.
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Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Dec 1, 2013 15:25:59 GMT -5
What spoils wrestling are people caring about how good the matches are. I'd take emotion every day over a Meltzer classic. It's like judging a book on how nicely it's printed rather than how gripping the story is. I've never understood why people care about match quality or even what it means. If I buy into the storyline and the characters they can just slug it out for 10 minutes and I'll be entertained. If they go out there and have a afive-star classic, I won't give a toss if I don't care about the reason why.
I find it a really bizarre way of judging things and I think it stems from a resentment that it isn't a real sport so the idea is you treat it like it is in order to try and salvage some internal credibility.
Never understood how some people seek to suck all the storyline and emotion out of it and judge it by how many times someone did a series German suplexes.
IMO if you can enjoy a match between two guys you don't know fighting for a reason you've not followed - you're doing it wrong. It's all about cheering the person you like and hoping the other guy gets his. Yet I know people genuinely treat it like figure skating.
"Oh he did these moves, it's worth a 8/10 at least"
Alien to me. Completely.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Dec 1, 2013 15:35:51 GMT -5
Funny don't draw money.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2013 15:45:45 GMT -5
There's no real agreed upon definition of "seriousness", which makes this really tough to discuss.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 1, 2013 16:24:51 GMT -5
if you did follow ROH, you'd know that sentence is a load of crap That is why I said I didn't follow it, I've never claimed to follow it. i never said you claimed to follow it, i said if you did follow ROH you would know its not "we've got to be super cereal all the time and never have any fun ever"
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ratetankmark
Samurai Cop
Equalist Lex Luthor
RIP Rik Mayall, you blimmen genius - Ria Vandervis on Rik Mayall
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 1, 2013 16:27:23 GMT -5
Funny don't draw money. Cornette terrifies me sometimes.
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Phosphor Glow
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Is a real girl!
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 1, 2013 16:35:37 GMT -5
What spoils wrestling are people caring about how good the matches are. I'd take emotion every day over a Meltzer classic. It's like judging a book on how nicely it's printed rather than how gripping the story is. I've never understood why people care about match quality or even what it means. If I buy into the storyline and the characters they can just slug it out for 10 minutes and I'll be entertained. If they go out there and have a afive-star classic, I won't give a toss if I don't care about the reason why. I find it a really bizarre way of judging things and I think it stems from a resentment that it isn't a real sport so the idea is you treat it like it is in order to try and salvage some internal credibility. Never understood how some people seek to suck all the storyline and emotion out of it and judge it by how many times someone did a series German suplexes. IMO if you can enjoy a match between two guys you don't know fighting for a reason you've not followed - you're doing it wrong. It's all about cheering the person you like and hoping the other guy gets his. Yet I know people genuinely treat it like figure skating. "Oh he did these moves, it's worth a 8/10 at least" Alien to me. Completely. Or, OR, different people enjoy wrestling for different reasons. Why, there are even some people like myself, who enjoy both the drama and emotion, AND matches with zero storyline! What a world we live in today.
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Post by bootytea on Dec 1, 2013 18:12:29 GMT -5
Chikara is an example of a show that is too much of a joke and ROH is the perfect example of bland, something in the middle would be exquisite.
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saintpat
El Dandy
Release the hounds!!!
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Post by saintpat on Dec 1, 2013 18:23:29 GMT -5
Workrate.
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Loser
Mephisto
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Post by Loser on Dec 1, 2013 18:25:40 GMT -5
Chikara is an example of a show that is too much of a joke and ROH is the perfect example of bland, something in the middle would be exquisite.
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Chip
Hank Scorpio
Slam Jam Death.
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Post by Chip on Dec 1, 2013 18:26:30 GMT -5
If all wrestling was like Chikara I think I'd have to go find a different hobby. The only storylines I've ever got invested in were "serious" in nature. If everything is a joke I don't see why I should care.
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Glitch
Grimlock
Not Going To Die; Childs, we're goin' out to give Blair the test. If he tries to make it back here and we're not with him... burn him.
Watching you.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 1, 2013 18:31:56 GMT -5
What spoils wrestling are people caring about how good the matches are. I'd take emotion every day over a Meltzer classic. It's like judging a book on how nicely it's printed rather than how gripping the story is. I've never understood why people care about match quality or even what it means. If I buy into the storyline and the characters they can just slug it out for 10 minutes and I'll be entertained. If they go out there and have a afive-star classic, I won't give a toss if I don't care about the reason why. I find it a really bizarre way of judging things and I think it stems from a resentment that it isn't a real sport so the idea is you treat it like it is in order to try and salvage some internal credibility. Never understood how some people seek to suck all the storyline and emotion out of it and judge it by how many times someone did a series German suplexes. IMO if you can enjoy a match between two guys you don't know fighting for a reason you've not followed - you're doing it wrong. It's all about cheering the person you like and hoping the other guy gets his. Yet I know people genuinely treat it like figure skating. "Oh he did these moves, it's worth a 8/10 at least" Alien to me. Completely. Or, OR, different people enjoy wrestling for different reasons. Why, there are even some people like myself, who enjoy both the drama and emotion, AND matches with zero storyline! What a world we live in today. How dare you imply that wrestling fans aren't a single hive mind!
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Lupin the Third
Patti Mayonnaise
I'm sorry.....I love you. *boot to the head*--3rd most culpable in the jixing of NXT, D'oh!
Join the Dark Order....
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 1, 2013 18:36:37 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 1, 2013 18:45:05 GMT -5
Considering Cornette spent 90% of his career as a comedic character, he really has no room to make that statement.
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