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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 3, 2013 23:06:09 GMT -5
Let me correct myself: Cena better beat Orton (even if he turns heel to do so, though that's unlikely) and those damn Wyatts better get their backwoods asses handed to them.
/kayfabe mark
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Post by CH Punk on Dec 3, 2013 23:07:17 GMT -5
They really need to make Bad News Barrett like his JBL and Cole self, where he pops up randomly in backstage segments. That's the problem, it's like they wanted to do something based off of that skit, but they had no clue what actually made it fun to watch.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 3, 2013 23:07:21 GMT -5
Oh.
For.
f***.
Sake.
I was trying not to confront the notion that Bryan's been demoted wholly, but there we have it.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 3, 2013 23:09:12 GMT -5
I like both Cena and Orton; I want to rip my legs off and batter myself into a coma at the mere concept of another Cena/Orton match. I'm just tired of the "speaking for everyone else" posts. I'm looking forward to the match, as are plenty of others out there. You know what's not better? Saying anyone who doesn't want to see this match is a Cena/Orton hater.
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Post by paywindah on Dec 3, 2013 23:09:21 GMT -5
That'll teach the fans to get behind someone Vince doesn't want them to.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 23:11:37 GMT -5
I'm just tired of the "speaking for everyone else" posts. I'm looking forward to the match, as are plenty of others out there. You know what's not better? Saying anyone who doesn't want to see this match is a Cena/Orton hater. Not everyone is, but there are a number of them here. And usually, THAT'S exactly the logic they use.
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Post by Error on Dec 3, 2013 23:11:47 GMT -5
That'll teach the fans to get behind someone Vince doesn't want them to. Or not spending the money to watch him wrestle.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 3, 2013 23:15:07 GMT -5
You know what's not better? Saying anyone who doesn't want to see this match is a Cena/Orton hater. Not everyone is, but there are a number of them here. And usually, THAT'S exactly the logic they use. Yes, but criticizing or editing someone's response to the event by doing the EXACT same thing is a little hypocritical. Just sayin'
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 3, 2013 23:15:36 GMT -5
They could have accomplished the same goal without Orton pinning him. This is why people rightfully get on WWE's case for shit booking. If the point of the match was to have Bray come out and cut a promo about Bryan joining them, they'd have helped Bryan win, or at least tried to to his chagrin.
This whole thing is just a dumb and not-so-subtle way to build momentum for Orton in a match that's bought and sold on Cena regardless.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 3, 2013 23:19:30 GMT -5
Where is Sin Cara Dos, anyway? That was by far the most interesting development on RAW last night. I hope they didn't seriously think no one was going to notice it was Hunico and start panicking when it was all over the internet within minutes.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 3, 2013 23:19:35 GMT -5
That'll teach the fans to get behind someone Vince doesn't want them to. Or not spending the money to watch him wrestle. "One ticket to see Daniel Bryan wrestle, please." Seriously, why is Bryan getting blamed for this? Wasn't it Orton who was champion almost throughout this entire ordeal? Perhaps the Summerslam thing, people saw that a cash in was inevitable (again Orton), or maybe they knew that Cena was going to be leaving on injury and decided to save their money. I have no basis for who is to blame, but saying that the most over guy on the roster with the live audience is directly responsible for the buyrates, when the entire product has been lacking for many months, that's silly.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 3, 2013 23:20:12 GMT -5
He won from a distraction, so it wasn't a clean win. Pointless, but harmless. Pointless is still stupid. Good decisions are never pointless. True, but I think that any casual with two functioning brain cells will see this match and go "Orton only won because Bryan was distracted by that damn Wyatt Family". I doubt they'd consider Bryan buried or whatever. For as much emphasis as the wider internet fanbase put on clean wins and losses as a measurement of someone's standing on the roster, we should really do the same when someone doesn't win or lose clean. When was the last time Bryan actually lost clean, anyway?
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 3, 2013 23:22:13 GMT -5
Pointless is still stupid. Good decisions are never pointless. True, but I think that any casual with two functioning brain cells will see this match and go "Orton only won because Bryan was distracted by that damn Wyatt Family". I doubt they'd consider Bryan buried or whatever. For as much emphasis as the wider internet fanbase put on clean wins and losses as a measurement of someone's standing on the roster, we should really do the same when someone doesn't win or lose clean. When was the last time Bryan actually lost clean, anyway? Did anyone consider Punk buried when Paul friggin' Heyman pinned him due to Ryback helping out Heyman? People need to not freak out about people losing due to shenanigans.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 23:23:00 GMT -5
Not everyone is, but there are a number of them here. And usually, THAT'S exactly the logic they use. Yes, but criticizing or editing someone's response to the event by doing the EXACT same thing is a little hypocritical. Just sayin' Well, getting relentlessly bombarded with posts made by people piling hate on Orton, saying he's boring when he's given a number of good promos, and saying they've stopped watching specifically because of him being the Champion right now, that's probably why I made that mistake.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 3, 2013 23:23:23 GMT -5
Just fire Barrett. They obviously have no idea what in the actual f*** to do with him.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 3, 2013 23:24:00 GMT -5
Did anyone consider Punk buried when Paul friggin' Heyman pinned him due to Ryback helping out Heyman? People declare CM Punk buried any and every time he appears in a TV segment that doesn't end with Cena's battered body at his feet.
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Post by Error on Dec 3, 2013 23:25:07 GMT -5
Or not spending the money to watch him wrestle. "One ticket to see Daniel Bryan wrestle, please." Seriously, why is Bryan getting blamed for this? Wasn't it Orton who was champion almost throughout this entire ordeal? Perhaps the Summerslam thing, people saw that a cash in was inevitable (again Orton), or maybe they knew that Cena was going to be leaving on injury and decided to save their money. I have no basis for who is to blame, but saying that the most over guy on the roster with the live audience is directly responsible for the buyrates, when the entire product has been lacking for many months. I'm not personally blaming him for it. I think from the point Vince came out against him the storyline sucked to put it nicely and killed off a lot of interest in Bryan on top. They have no one but themselves to blame but they won't and Vince himself has come out and blamed not having major attractions in the main event for the past few months as the reason things dropped which given their feelings toward Hunter, Orton and HBK means they're blaming Bryan. I'm just pointing out how they feel and why they're dropping him down the card.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 3, 2013 23:28:27 GMT -5
Did anyone consider Punk buried when Paul friggin' Heyman pinned him due to Ryback helping out Heyman? People declare CM Punk buried any and every time he appears in a TV segment that doesn't end with Cena's battered body at his feet. That little hussy Renee Young totally buried him on Raw.
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Post by Y2M on Dec 3, 2013 23:29:15 GMT -5
* Bad News Barrett comes out again. Good news is there will be one champion at TLC. Bad news is there will be pain in the match. Sounds more like Captain Obvious Barrett. What the hell are they doing with him right now? Talk about a waste of potential.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 3, 2013 23:29:34 GMT -5
Pointless is still stupid. Good decisions are never pointless. True, but I think that any casual with two functioning brain cells will see this match and go "Orton only won because Bryan was distracted by that damn Wyatt Family". I doubt they'd consider Bryan buried or whatever. For as much emphasis as the wider internet fanbase put on clean wins and losses as a measurement of someone's standing on the roster, we should really do the same when someone doesn't win or lose clean. When was the last time Bryan actually lost clean, anyway? I don't think Bryan was buried. I just think it was a pointless and silly booking move. I mean, take HBK in 1995/early '96. They were going to put him over at WrestleMania, but in the interim, he had to take a backseat to Bret, Diesel and Taker. They didn't however have him do one job at the time. He consistently won, to keep the momentum going for when he did click over into the focus spot. It's the same with most guys leading to their Mania push. Bryan should be the same. He can be beat down, etc. But he shouldn't be losing in free TV matches. I'd feel the same for Cena or anyone else in the same role. Jobs should mean something, not be a meaningless plot device. It's lazy.
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