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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 23:30:58 GMT -5
"One ticket to see Daniel Bryan wrestle, please." Seriously, why is Bryan getting blamed for this? Wasn't it Orton who was champion almost throughout this entire ordeal? Perhaps the Summerslam thing, people saw that a cash in was inevitable (again Orton), or maybe they knew that Cena was going to be leaving on injury and decided to save their money. I have no basis for who is to blame, but saying that the most over guy on the roster with the live audience is directly responsible for the buyrates, when the entire product has been lacking for many months. I'm not personally blaming him for it. I think from the point Vince came out against him the storyline sucked to put it nicely and killed off a lot of interest in Bryan on top. They have no one but themselves to blame but they won't and Vince himself has come out and blamed not having major attractions in the main event for the past few months as the reason things dropped which given their feelings toward Hunter, Orton and HBK means they're blaming Bryan. I'm just pointing out how they feel and why they're dropping him down the card. Than why are they all of a sudden doing Cena vs. Orton at TLC in a unification match? And if not there, it WILL happen at Royal Rumble. Unless they go with Punk, I think this opens the door very wide for Bryan to win the Rumble (or Elimination Chamber) and go on to Wrestlemania. Also, if they really blamed SummerSlam and the other buyrates on Bryan, there's no way he'd main event RAW so many times like he has after each of them.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 3, 2013 23:34:19 GMT -5
Pointless is still stupid. Good decisions are never pointless. True, but I think that any casual with two functioning brain cells will see this match and go "Orton only won because Bryan was distracted by that damn darn Wyatt Family". I doubt they'd consider Bryan buried or whatever. For as much emphasis as the wider internet fanbase put on clean wins and losses as a measurement of someone's standing on the roster, we should really do the same when someone doesn't win or lose clean. When was the last time Bryan actually lost clean, anyway? Fixed that for you, because we don't condone cursing on these farking forums.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 3, 2013 23:35:48 GMT -5
Well, getting relentlessly bombarded with posts that by people piling hate on Orton, saying he's boring when he given a number of good promos, and saying they've stopped watching specifically because of him being the Champion right now, that's probably why I made that mistake. I've always liked Orton as a wrestler. He's a great worker. But he is in NO WAY a good character. His promos are forced and there's no motivation as a fan. He's Stone Cold with zero personality. Why should I care? Because he's been on roster for over a decade? Big deal. Nothing about the guy screams 10+ title reigns. And I know that wrestling as a whole is superficial and everything is made up, but for a guy in his position, I have always seen him as a fake. He's in the position he's in because Vince likes him. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be a top guy, but he shouldn't have been consistently pushed in that way for as long as he has. WWE has been forcing things for years now, after a period where they let things organically grow and give the people a reason to care. That's why you have multiple "main eventers" who don't consistently get heat. That's why the buyrates aren't as good as they should be. That's why a guy like me can't get overjoyed when something different happens, because you have a company that refuses to abide by changing with the times. I don't hate Orton. And I've learned to really like Cena, so much so that I'm glad if anyone did win the WHC, I'm glad it was him. But do I want to see this forced story again? Hell no. I don't know how to explain it, but it's the same way with his feud with the Rock...I just never felt any tension or any reason to shell out cash for a match that one way or another will end with something that doesn't come off as new or exciting in any way. Maybe it's the way they toss the title around constantly, but will I feel any resolution from either or these guys winning? Nope. Perhaps back in 2007 when it was a fresh idea, but then they beat that to death. Then they did it again in 2009. And now they're doing it again, with robo Orton and 357 time champion John Cena...who is looking to win the title...one.....more............time.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 3, 2013 23:36:40 GMT -5
Smackdown Spoilers, the Brooks version:
* SmackDown kicks off with Randy Orton coming to the ring. Orton says he will prove he's the greatest champion ever and wants to publicly apologize to The Authority. Brooks laughs at the greatest champion ever comment. Daniel Bryan interrupts and says Orton should apologize to us for being a pretend champion. Bryan says he's the first in line for the new champion and challenges Orton to a match tonight. Brooks says if Bryan jobs, he's through with WWE.
* Fandango vs. Big E Langston is up next with Damien Sandow on commentary. Big E gets the win by pinfall. Brooks says they should return Fandango to the Johnny Curtis gimmick from NXT.
* They show the SmackDown opening in WWE 2K14 style. Brooks says the graphics are terrible. He says he can't wait for 2K15 on XBOX One. 360 Sucks now.
* Bad News Barrett is out next. His bad news is that the WWE Universe is gullible. Brooks says the only bad news Barrett is how far down he's gone since Nexus.
* Kofi Kingston comes out and poses on the turnbuckles until Alberto Del Rio attacks him from behind. There is no match between the two. I asked Brooks his opinion, and he shook his head. He responded a few minutes later with an idea that they should book Kingston vs Del Rio as "millionth of a lifetime" at WM.
* The Shield cut a promo about who will face CM Punk tonight. It doesn't look like they all agree but it's going to be Punk vs. Dean Ambrose. Brooks starts a John Moxley chant.
* Cody Rhodes and Goldust vs. Ryback and Curtis Axel is up next. Brooks says Ryback and Axel should go over to save face. Axel gets the win for his team after sneaking in a pin. Brooks says The Rhodes' losing to these two makes them looks like chumps.
* CM Punk vs. Dean Ambrose is up next with no Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns at ringside yet. Brooks bets it's a DQ finish. Punk got the win via GTS. Rollins or Reigns did not interfere. Brooks says they've been booking Punk like a superhero lately. He starts a CM Sucks chant. A few people looked at him funny. Remind me to post the vid later.
* Backstage segment with Rey Mysterio, Zeb Colter, Jack Swagger and Antonio Cesaro. Brooks says they should push Claudio. He's the next breakout star.
* Tamina Snuka vs. Natalya is up next. AJ Lee is on commentary. Natalya gets the win via pinball. Funny story. A little girl nearby says Natalya is the best women's wrestler in the world. I can see Brooks is fuming. I don't think he'll do anything, but he taps the girls dad on the shoulder. He tells her to check out SHIMMER, and maybe she can see some real female role models.
* Rey Mysterio and Big Show defeated Jack Swagger and Antonio Cesaro. Rey got the pin after jumping from Big Show's shoulders. The dad and his daughter switched sections at the start of the match. Brooks can't believe the finish.
* They show the latest Michael Cole and Triple H interview. The dad and daughter have moved farther away. Brooks says someone must smell nearby.
* Bad News Barrett comes out again. Good news is there will be one champion at TLC. Bad news is there will be pain in the match. Brooks says the only pain is having to sit through RAW every week.
* Randy Orton defeated Daniel Bryan by pinfall after hitting the RKO. The Wyatt Family distracted Bryan before the end of the match then Bray Wyatt appeared on the big screen and told Bryan to join them. Brooks left after the RKO. He didn't stay for the dark match or anything. When I met him back at the car, he had bought tickets for the next event in the area.
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Post by Error on Dec 3, 2013 23:38:14 GMT -5
I'm not personally blaming him for it. I think from the point Vince came out against him the storyline sucked to put it nicely and killed off a lot of interest in Bryan on top. They have no one but themselves to blame but they won't and Vince himself has come out and blamed not having major attractions in the main event for the past few months as the reason things dropped which given their feelings toward Hunter, Orton and HBK means they're blaming Bryan. I'm just pointing out how they feel and why they're dropping him down the card. Than why are they all of a sudden doing Cena vs. Orton at TLC in a unification match? And if not there, it WILL happen at Royal Rumble. Unless they go with Punk, I think this opens the door very wide for Bryan to win the Rumble (or Elimination Chamber) and go on to Wrestlemania. Also, if they really blamed SummerSlam and the other buyrates on Bryan, there's no way he'd main event RAW so many times like he has after each of them. They're doing this because it is a major attraction and want the buys, thought that'd be obvious giving the whole "wanting major attractions" thing. And by most accounts Punk is the odds on favorite to win the Rumble. As far as main eventing FREE SHOWS, there you have it. People have no problem watching him for free but thanks to the booking they aren't paying to watch him. Vince has talked about this. And all this is banking on Cena getting the belt when they could just as easily screw him out of it and have him win the Rumble to face Orton while Punk face Hunter at Mania. There is more pointing away from Bryan than to him.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 23:46:08 GMT -5
Well, getting relentlessly bombarded with posts that by people piling hate on Orton, saying he's boring when he given a number of good promos, and saying they've stopped watching specifically because of him being the Champion right now, that's probably why I made that mistake. I've always liked Orton as a wrestler. He's a great worker. But he is in NO WAY a good character. His promos are forced and there's no motivation as a fan. He's Stone Cold with zero personality. Why should I care? Because he's been on roster for over a decade? Big deal. Nothing about the guy screams 10+ title reigns. And I know that wrestling as a whole is superficial and everything is made up, but for a guy in his position, I have always seen him as a fake. He's in the position he's in because Vince likes him. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be a top guy, but he shouldn't have been consistently pushed in that way for as long as he has. WWE has been forcing things for years now, after a period where they let things organically grow and give the people a reason to care. That's why you have multiple "main eventers" who don't consistently get heat. That's why the buyrates aren't as good as they should be. That's why a guy like me can't get overjoyed when something different happens, because you have a company that refuses to abide by changing with the times. I don't hate Orton. And I've learned to really like Cena, so much so that I'm glad if anyone did win the WHC, I'm glad it was him. But do I want to see this forced story again? Hell no. I don't know how to explain it, but it's the same way with his feud with the Rock...I just never felt any tension or any reason to shell out cash for a match that one way or another will end with something that doesn't come off as new or exciting in any way. Maybe it's the way they toss the title around constantly, but will I feel any resolution from either or these guys winning? Nope. Perhaps back in 2007 when it was a fresh idea, but then they beat that to death. Then they did it again in 2009. And now they're doing it again, with robo Orton and 357 time champion John Cena...who is looking to win the title...one.....more............time. I don't need you to give me every reason why you don't want Orton to be Champion. You (and certain other poster who will remain nameless) have already stated this plenty of times. And they're much more of a broken record than Orton vs. Cena. I'm happy they are going at it, because I'm not really sure if HHH is going to screw over Cena or Orton in the match. I don't believe they're doing a dumb "switch the titles" finish. But I do think they'll have something happen to further the main angle, either breaking off Orton from The Authority and have Cena in a tainted run, or Orton wins but gets even more cocky and dangerous to the point that The Authority can't control him. At any rate, I didn't even call you a hater, I just made a mistake because all the frustration I'm feeling at times around here blinded me for a moment.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 3, 2013 23:49:34 GMT -5
Than why are they all of a sudden doing Cena vs. Orton at TLC in a unification match? And if not there, it WILL happen at Royal Rumble. Unless they go with Punk, I think this opens the door very wide for Bryan to win the Rumble (or Elimination Chamber) and go on to Wrestlemania. Also, if they really blamed SummerSlam and the other buyrates on Bryan, there's no way he'd main event RAW so many times like he has after each of them. They're doing this because it is a major attraction and want the buys, thought that'd be obvious giving the whole "wanting major attractions" thing. And by most accounts Punk is the odds on favorite to win the Rumble. As far as main eventing FREE SHOWS, there you have it. People have no problem watching him for free but thanks to the booking they aren't paying to watch him. Vince has talked about this. I think at this point, the challenge has to be making Bryan into a guy that people want to see rather than trying to find someone new that can pop buyrates, because they seem to be running out of all other options. They can't have too many special attractions left, especially if a guy like Brock Lesnar is now devalued to the point where him on the card still couldn't salvage a decent Summerslam buyrate.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 3, 2013 23:51:31 GMT -5
Than why are they all of a sudden doing Cena vs. Orton at TLC in a unification match? And if not there, it WILL happen at Royal Rumble. Unless they go with Punk, I think this opens the door very wide for Bryan to win the Rumble (or Elimination Chamber) and go on to Wrestlemania. Also, if they really blamed SummerSlam and the other buyrates on Bryan, there's no way he'd main event RAW so many times like he has after each of them. They're doing this because it is a major attraction and want the buys, thought that'd be obvious giving the whole "wanting major attractions" thing. And by most accounts Punk is the odds on favorite to win the Rumble. As far as main eventing FREE SHOWS, there you have it. People have no problem watching him for free but thanks to the booking they aren't paying to watch him. Vince has talked about this. Yes, TLC is meant to be an attraction, but what about the others with screwjob finishes? Some dirtsheets made that report about Vince, but that doesn't mean they don't want Bryan to be put into the main event later. And main eventing "FREE SHOWS" is still main eventing. When they don't want someone in the main event at PPVs, they don't tend to have them main event their flagship show. And TLC screwjob or not, no way Orton and Cena don't face each other again at the Rumble. Which means neither of them are going to be in the Rumble. Advantage: Bryan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 23:52:57 GMT -5
Bad News Barrett is certainly pointless.
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Post by nm on Dec 3, 2013 23:57:26 GMT -5
I cant remember the last time I watched Smackdown.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 3, 2013 23:57:43 GMT -5
The Brooks version of the spoilers are vast becoming the highlight of the week
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Post by mizerable on Dec 4, 2013 0:01:51 GMT -5
I don't need you to give me every reason why you don't want Orton to be Champion. You (and certain other poster who will remain nameless) have already stated this plenty of times. And they're much more of a broken record than Orton vs. Cena. I'm happy they are going at it, because I'm not really sure if HHH is going to screw over Cena or Orton in the match. I don't believe they're doing a dumb "switch the titles" finish. But I do think they'll have something happen to further the main angle, either breaking off Orton from The Authority and have Cena in a tainted run, or Orton wins but gets even more cocky and dangerous to the point that The Authority can't control him. At any rate, I didn't even call you a hater, I just made a mistake because all the frustration I'm feeling at times around here blinded me for a moment. It's silly that you say I don't need to give you reasons, yet you're very critical of anyone who is critical of Cena/Orton. So...outside of not commenting at all, I don't know what you expect out of the people who aren't on the happy go lucky level that you are. And I haven't stated much about Orton at all. This was maybe the 3rd time I've call him out on not being to the potential that WWE markets him as. Other than that? I stated many times before that he's a top 5 worker. You're looking at everything from kayfabe standpoint with "what happens". I'm looking at the main picture, what is the end game going to be? How is this going to lead into the road to Wrestlemania? I've been down this road many many times before, and like with the last 7 Manias with the exception of 26, there is no substance down that road. Orton/Cena has nothing to offer as far as where this story goes. If anything, a screwjob finish will only drag this out even more, which is even worse. And you're frustrated at us? For what? Being frustrated at WWE? What the hell.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 4, 2013 0:05:41 GMT -5
Nattie won via Pinball? So She's a Pinball Wizard now?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 4, 2013 0:07:07 GMT -5
Barrett will be accepting indie bookings very soon, I suspect.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 4, 2013 0:08:22 GMT -5
Bad News Barrett is certainly pointless. You know what would be better? Good Idea/Bad Idea Barrett; based off the classic Animaniacs skit. Instead of cutting useless promos, he does useless skits where does something smart, followed by something stupid.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 4, 2013 0:13:54 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I think they're setting up Bryan to win the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania this year, but I'm not worrying over what happens at Wresltemania. I'm just focused on what's going on now and how the rest of the middle plays out because there are too many variables. I can understand times when someone lays out all of why they're not excited over something in WWE. But, the amount of negativity in the atmosphere around here with posts like "F*** this company!", yes I am frustrated with. There's constructive criticism and then there's annoying hatefulness. And to me, it feels too much like the latter.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 4, 2013 0:16:03 GMT -5
Why the hell can't they just have Barrett do these skits in pre-tapes or vignettes?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 4, 2013 0:22:46 GMT -5
The Brooks version of the spoilers are vast becoming the highlight of the week Hopefully that dad takes Brooks' advice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 0:24:03 GMT -5
Bad News Barrett is so bad that even Jericho is urging the announcers to talk about Wade Barrett less.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 4, 2013 0:28:08 GMT -5
Bad News Barrett is so bad that even Jericho is urging the announcers to talk about Wade Barrett less. WE ARE!!!
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