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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 4, 2013 5:35:27 GMT -5
Oh no Bryan lost to the WWE Champion in which Bryan isn't in the WWE title scenario. Oh nooo.... What does that mean? Is this sarcasm? That it is.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 4, 2013 5:43:29 GMT -5
True, but I think that any casual with two functioning brain cells will see this match and go "Orton only won because Bryan was distracted by that damn Wyatt Family". I doubt they'd consider Bryan buried or whatever. For as much emphasis as the wider internet fanbase put on clean wins and losses as a measurement of someone's standing on the roster, we should really do the same when someone doesn't win or lose clean. When was the last time Bryan actually lost clean, anyway? I don't think Bryan was buried. I just think it was a pointless and silly booking move. I mean, take HBK in 1995/early '96. They were going to put him over at WrestleMania, but in the interim, he had to take a backseat to Bret, Diesel and Taker. They didn't however have him do one job at the time. He consistently won, to keep the momentum going for when he did click over into the focus spot. It's the same with most guys leading to their Mania push. Bryan should be the same. He can be beat down, etc. But he shouldn't be losing in free TV matches. I'd feel the same for Cena or anyone else in the same role. Jobs should mean something, not be a meaningless plot device. It's lazy. Jeez, you weren't kidding about Michaels being booked strong at that time... Other than a few scattered tag matches where he (likely) wasn't pinned and a forfeit, he didn't lose a single match between WrestleMania XI in April 1995 and Survivor Series in November 1996... 18 MONTHS. I don't think even Cena has ever had a run that long.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 4, 2013 8:24:39 GMT -5
What does that mean? Is this sarcasm? That it is. I have a problem with Bryan losing to Orton but its not like it was clean since the Wyatts distracted him so its whatever.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 4, 2013 8:52:33 GMT -5
So the IWC darling lost by distraction to the reigning WWE champion while both are feuding with someone else. I don't see the problem. The problem is that Bryan didn't win in 10 seconds and wasn't proclaimed champion of the universe. Raw wasn't changed to Monday Night Bryan and a CM Punk/Daniel Bryan 60 minute Iron Man match wasn't announced for Wrestlemania. IT'S NOT FAIR! That pretty much sums up half the threads on this board these days.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 4, 2013 9:15:22 GMT -5
I don't think Bryan was buried. I just think it was a pointless and silly booking move. I mean, take HBK in 1995/early '96. They were going to put him over at WrestleMania, but in the interim, he had to take a backseat to Bret, Diesel and Taker. They didn't however have him do one job at the time. He consistently won, to keep the momentum going for when he did click over into the focus spot. It's the same with most guys leading to their Mania push. Bryan should be the same. He can be beat down, etc. But he shouldn't be losing in free TV matches. I'd feel the same for Cena or anyone else in the same role. Jobs should mean something, not be a meaningless plot device. It's lazy. Jeez, you weren't kidding about Michaels being booked strong at that time... Other than a few scattered tag matches where he (likely) wasn't pinned and a forfeit, he didn't lose a single match between WrestleMania XI in April 1995 and Survivor Series in November 1996... 18 MONTHS. I don't think even Cena has ever had a run that long. Of course, there's a decent amount of off time in that run, mostly thanks to that dodgy Syracuse Marines incident and the following concussion storyline involving Owen Hart's Enzugiri.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 4, 2013 12:13:35 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Bryan also got pinned when teaming with the Rhodeses against The Shield in the post-Battleground episode of Raw. Didn't see anyone complaining about DB being buried there.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 4, 2013 12:29:55 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Bryan also got pinned when teaming with the Rhodeses against The Shield in the post-Battleground episode of Raw. Didn't see anyone complaining about DB being buried there. Because Shield are allowed to pin Bryan by IWC decree.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 4, 2013 12:44:32 GMT -5
This idea of "THE IWC WANTS THIS 60 MINUTE IRON MAN MAIN EVENT AT WRESTLEMANIA AND BRYAN/PUNK CANNOT LOSE EVER" that people seem to think some of us believe is annoying. We just don't want Bryan losing to Orton because there's no reason for Bryan to lose to Orton at this point. It's annoying and pointless, and a lot of us just want to see Bryan as a top guy come Mania time, which seems increasingly less likely as time goes on.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 4, 2013 12:53:26 GMT -5
The thing is, he only lost due to Wyatt shenanigans. It's not like he got pinned cleanly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 13:05:43 GMT -5
From what I've heard on TV and seen in these spoilers, Barrett's making a good case for being deported and executed upon arrival.
This cool internet gimmick just sounds so awful brought to TV....
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 4, 2013 13:21:21 GMT -5
No ADR? I'm going to watch the hell out of this episode!
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 4, 2013 13:25:47 GMT -5
No ADR? I'm going to watch the hell out of this episode! He's apparently in one segment where he shows how Aggressive he is by beating up Kofi.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 4, 2013 13:26:29 GMT -5
No ADR? I'm going to watch the hell out of this episode! He's apparently in one segment where he shows how Aggressive he is by beating up Kofi. Doesn't even wait for the Wheel to stop spinning this time...
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 4, 2013 13:31:33 GMT -5
No ADR? I'm going to watch the hell out of this episode! He's apparently in one segment where he shows how Aggressive he is by beating up Kofi. Oh yeah not only forgot that I read that spoiler last night, but I skipped over reading that line when I just had a quick look then. In other words ADR is so boring I unconsciously block him out or decide he isn't there at all. Janitor said it best when it comes to ADR
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 4, 2013 13:34:26 GMT -5
So the IWC darling lost by distraction to the reigning WWE champion while both are feuding with someone else. I don't see the problem. No joke on nothing, if you still classify Bryan as just being an "IWC darling", you might as well stop because you clearly haven't been paying attention to the last 6 months or so.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 4, 2013 13:55:17 GMT -5
They're doing this because it is a major attraction and want the buys, thought that'd be obvious giving the whole "wanting major attractions" thing. And by most accounts Punk is the odds on favorite to win the Rumble. As far as main eventing FREE SHOWS, there you have it. People have no problem watching him for free but thanks to the booking they aren't paying to watch him. Vince has talked about this. People seem to forget that Cena was not a big ratings guy on Smackdown during 2004-2005. He was blown away by both Guerrero and Rey. Are you saying the only way to make D-Bryan a draw is to have him embrace his Mexican-side? Uh... Not sure it will catch on with us Hispanic folks
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 4, 2013 14:02:29 GMT -5
Well, people have been clamoring for Chris Masters in a sombrero.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 4, 2013 14:25:13 GMT -5
This idea of "THE IWC WANTS THIS 60 MINUTE IRON MAN MAIN EVENT AT WRESTLEMANIA AND BRYAN/PUNK CANNOT LOSE EVER" that people seem to think some of us believe is annoying. We just don't want Bryan losing to Orton because there's no reason for Bryan to lose to Orton at this point. It's annoying and pointless, and a lot of us just want to see Bryan as a top guy come Mania time, which seems increasingly less likely as time goes on. The former is an easy strawman when they don't want to argue the latter. It's a simple argument for them to tear down, especially because no one's really making it.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 4, 2013 16:46:05 GMT -5
So the IWC darling lost by distraction to the reigning WWE champion while both are feuding with someone else. I don't see the problem. No joke on nothing, if you still classify Bryan as just being an "IWC darling", you might as well stop because you clearly haven't been paying attention to the last 6 months or so. Didn't say Bryan was *just* an IWC darling. He's over with the whole audience, I would never deny that. Still, he's *also* an IWC darling and people around here complain when he loses. By distraction. To the current WWE Champion.
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