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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 6, 2013 11:58:04 GMT -5
if there's any rationality in that company, they'll do this. freaking OPRAH almost went bankrupt trying to start her own tv network. it's the way of the past, streaming on-demand is the way of the future.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 6, 2013 12:11:01 GMT -5
This is better IMO This removed the limitation of being USA only out the gate. not necessarily. in Canada we have Netflix, but it's extremely limited compared to the American one because Rogers, Bell and Eastlink cable have a lot of laws in place to protect them from outside businesses taking away their profits. basically, we have to wait 6 months+ after a show's been released on dvd/bluray before Netflix can stream it, because otherwise it'd kill those companies' on-demand services. I'd call it an attempt at a monopoly, but then it starts getting political. and considering Rogers owns the network that airs all WWE programming in Canada, I can't imagine they'd be too pleased with WWE cutting them out like that.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Dec 6, 2013 13:58:33 GMT -5
You know, earlier last night I was in the mood to just watch some wrestling. No angles, yet still WWE, just wrestling. Of course, if it's not on YouTube and I don't feel like going through the more unscrupulous means, I'm SOL. Honestly, if it's true and we DO get every Raw and SmackDown and PPV and etc, then hell yes, I am jumping on board.
Especially if I can get Mania along with that. Just throw in some documentaries along with that (since I'm a sucker for those) and confirmation that it'll be on the PS3, and I won't stop throwing money at the 'E.
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Post by rowdy426 on Dec 6, 2013 14:10:31 GMT -5
Let's say all the speculation is accurate and all PPVs will eventually be available live through this service... how is the WWE online streaming now? The Xbox or Samsung TV live streams for the PPVs now, is it glitchy, or as seamless as a cable feed?
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Post by paywindah on Dec 6, 2013 14:31:06 GMT -5
Very smart move. It'll be US (and possibly Canada) only at launch, so they'll still get a lot of international PPV buys as well as those in US who choose not to subscribe (or can't because they don't have a fast enough connection). So they don't need to get that many subscribers to make up for the loss of traditional PPV buys, because they see so little of that $ anyway because of the cable companies and indemand taking their cuts.
They'll also make money from advertising via commercials on the live stream.
As long as they follow the MLB.TV plan and get it on all the major devices, they'll be just fine.
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Post by cool guy on Dec 6, 2013 14:42:03 GMT -5
I wasn't excited for the Network at all prior to this, and now I'm actually sort of interested.
So good job WWE, I guess.
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Post by Branimal on Dec 6, 2013 15:01:27 GMT -5
I wasn't excited for the Network at all prior to this, and now I'm actually sort of interested. So good job WWE, I guess. I agree. Much better. I don't have cable and I sure as hell wasn't ordering it for the network. Now that it's not a requirement, I can see myself easily paying $10 a month for this.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 6, 2013 15:09:38 GMT -5
I think people are failing to recognise the potential of this. Why should it be deemed a failure if it fails to launch on traditional media. Think of the target audience. Guys in their teens-20s who probably aren't going to be allowed to control the television to watch WWE TV. Online gives them, in my view, a much larger potential audience and not only that it caters directly to those more likely to be interested.
Look at Netflix. If this isn't a TV station delivered through the traditional means then it's no indication as to how successful or otherwise it may be. Online only may actually be either ahead of or with the curve. It's way things have been going now for years. I mentioned Netflix and Hulu and all that sort.
How much % of a young person's 'TV' viewing is now made online? I'd guess a large and growing percentage.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 6, 2013 15:16:10 GMT -5
Huh. For some reason I never thought it would be a Netflix-style service, but if this is true...yeah I'll DEFINITELY be subscribing.
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Post by CM Parish on Dec 6, 2013 16:14:46 GMT -5
So $60 up front for every PPV from March onwards and then $10 a month for the network which has every Raw, SD and PPV EVER? The WM Anthology from 1-20 costs that on its own!
That is one f***ing too good to be true sounding deal.
Too bad i'm in the UK where it'll probably be blocked, but i'm happy for you Americans with a deal like that.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 6, 2013 16:17:56 GMT -5
So $60 up front for every PPV from March onwards and then $10 a month for the network which has every Raw, SD and PPV EVER? The WM Anthology from 1-20 costs that on its own! That is one f***ing too good to be true sounding deal. Too bad i'm in the UK where it'll probably be blocked, but i'm happy for you Americans with a deal like that. You can't truly block anything on the internet. I subscribe to Al Jazeera sport online, for example, although that is intended solely for people in the middle east. Restricting anything geographically online is these days as effective as asking Cheatie McCheat not to peak through his hands during a game of hide and seek to see you climbing into the cupboard.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 6, 2013 16:52:06 GMT -5
$45 per PPV every month (not counting Mania) is $495. Much cheaper to get the network. Not if you don't have the need and frankly given any reason to buy each ppv. My original post stated paying 60 bucks for 6 months of the service is indeed cheaper than paying 70 or whatever they charge now for Mania. Plus you get 5 other PPV's with it that would normally cost you 50 bucks. If you don't like WWE that's fine and I question why you're even posting here but facts are facts it's a good deal.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 6, 2013 17:00:14 GMT -5
Question: Exactly what is the pricing plan they're saying? People are saying here the payment is $60 to start (M1), then $10 month 2 on, but the way the article put it, it looked like it was: $60 base start, and that gives you month 1 through 6 paid for in advance, then $10 from month 7 on. Edit: And while I was typing, it's answered.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 6, 2013 17:13:00 GMT -5
Not if you don't have the need and frankly given any reason to buy each ppv. My original post stated paying 60 bucks for 6 months of the service is indeed cheaper than paying 70 or whatever they charge now for Mania. Plus you get 5 other PPV's with it that would normally cost you 50 bucks. If you don't like WWE that's fine and I question why you're even posting here but facts are facts it's a good deal. To be fair, that poster IIRC has posted on previous occasion that he illegally streams shows so...
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 6, 2013 17:37:58 GMT -5
If they wanted to make this a major success, starting every year with $60 for 6 months would do it. However, that's not a feasible business model. It does give them money they'd normally not get from me personally, but it's at the cost of their high bandwidth and the losses that would occur from people no longer ordering Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania separately (let's say they did this for 2015, not 2014), I doubt it'd be worth it when the majority of their PPV buyers saw the deal and stopped ordering PPVs for 6 months.
It's a total introductory deal for 2014, but the allure of getting to see WM30, the following PPVs and the fun of poking around a huge library of on-demand content has me extremely interested. I'm definitely going to try this if it's as it sounds.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Dec 6, 2013 18:31:03 GMT -5
Not if you don't have the need and frankly given any reason to buy each ppv. My original post stated paying 60 bucks for 6 months of the service is indeed cheaper than paying 70 or whatever they charge now for Mania. Plus you get 5 other PPV's with it that would normally cost you 50 bucks. If you don't like WWE that's fine and I question why you're even posting here but facts are facts it's a good deal. I follow it lightly because after all the years I spent watching it, I think I should find out how it all ended.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 7, 2013 0:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 7, 2013 1:19:17 GMT -5
They might have preferred cable, but with the success of Hulu and NetFlix, and the fact I gave up my cable, it could be a very positive thing for now. You have to start off small first.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 7, 2013 10:40:09 GMT -5
If every raw, smackdown, and past ppv are on this that would have me sold right away. That almost seems too good to be true though. I mean sure it is possible, but it could take quite a bit of money to get all that up and WWE would have to also pay a lot of money to make sure the streaming for it works or else they will lose subscribers left and right. I remember Netflix had some problems with their streaming early on and then they fixed it and pumped a lot of money into it making it work much better after the first one or two years it was around.
At first they may lose money from PPVs but I think in the long run they will end up making more money. If they can get two million subscribers that alone would pretty much make up for the ppv revenue lost.
I said about two years ago that they should do something like exactly like this. IF this is all true and they do get every raw, smackdown, and ppv up I think they will easily get a million subscribers in just a month or two.
I have my doubts about this though. WWE doesn't seem like enough of a technology-progressive company to pull this off. Sure they are doing more with the internet but this is a company that loves to micro-manage and revision history. It wouldn't exactly be in character for them to do something this awesome. I"ll cross my fingers though because I think this is easily the best route for them to go. A network was a really stupid idea to begin with and this sound like a million times better.
One thing that could be possible although it is hard to tell is that WWE could put other programming on this and possibly become competition for Netflix and Hulu. I know it is a long shot, but why not? It's not like they couldn't ever expand it especially if they gave the movie studios a better deal than Netflix.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 7, 2013 12:41:20 GMT -5
One thing that could be possible although it is hard to tell is that WWE could put other programming on this and possibly become competition for Netflix and Hulu. I know it is a long shot, but why not? It's not like they couldn't ever expand it especially if they gave the movie studios a better deal than Netflix. The fact that they're going to be a service just like Netflix and Hulu means that they are going to be definition by default. But that's purely with people not wanting to budget for two separate services a month. Which won't be many. Outside of that, WWE isn't competition just because they produce a few crappy non-wrestling programs. Netflix and Hulu will always have them beat in TV and movies. Always. Just like WWE will always have them beat in wrestling content.
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