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Post by Sektor on Dec 17, 2013 22:29:39 GMT -5
First of all, I desperately tried to find the OG thread, but all my efforts were for naught. If a mod knows where it is, feel free to assimilate me. Has anyone else been keeping up with this? Here's a recap if you missed it (if so, I'm envious). So where does this rank all time on dumbest things people have caused an uproar over? Article for those who can't use the link. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Mighty No. 9 creator Comcept appears to have irked some of its fans by appointing a female community manager known for her outspoken personal views on social issues.
It has been revealed in a recent update that Dina Abou Karam has taken up the position, and will be in charge of engaging with fans across social media channels and Kickstarter's own forum pages for the game, which is due to hit Wii U — as well as other platforms — in 2015.
A number of backers appear to have taken issue at Abou Karam's previous posts on the Mighty No.9 forums, as well as her stance on topics such as gender representation in video games and LGBT rights.
Backer Eric Bickerdyke is one of the unhappy individuals, and branded Abou Karam a "Social Justice Warrior" in his comment on the news:
"I support Mighty No. 9 wholeheartedly, but I cannot agree with bringing in a SJW to the team. If she has any influence on the projects quality, I will be demanding a refund, regardless of whether or not it is possible to receive one. Dina is known, and generally disliked for her incredibly biased views towards social justice in favor of women and transgendered LGBT community members, often times criticizing anything that does not fit in to this category. I want her fired. I really do, but I understand if that is too much. I do not, however, think it too much to ask she not have any impact on the game's development and design choices."
Bickerdyke's opinions appear to be shared by some of the other people who pledged cash to develop the game, such as Jay Grab:
"We were told we'd have a team of veterans, instead we have someone who never played the original games, only joined because of her boyfriend, and from Update #1 has been trying to bring in politics. This is basically not what we were promised. CM is one thing but this person is claiming to be a designer now."
Mighty No.9 is the brainchild of Mega Man creator Keiji Inafune, and raised $3,845,170 in funding during its massively successful Kickstarter campaign.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 17, 2013 22:37:45 GMT -5
sounds like a lot of butthurt over nothing. just enjoy the game, ya schmucks!
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 17, 2013 22:44:28 GMT -5
I have no problem with them using a woman, or even one that is an advocate for better representation of women and LGBT characters in games. What worries me, if anything, is supposedly how this woman attacks other games that don't conform to the beliefs she is advocating.
That might be a bit of an issue if that bit about her is true.
If you are going to advocate for something don't bash the things that don't conform to what you are advocating. That just creates further problems......
And she's just the community manager, right? Then everyone afraid of her warping the game with her views have nothing to worry about. Why? Because community managers are legit the bottom of the game development totem pole. Below even the QA guys and they have no influence of the game at all. They literally just interact with the fans. At best their involvement with the game's creation extends only to relaying messages from the fans about glitches and stuff or getting feedback on things like betas.
Still that being said she might get involved in flame wars with fans and that could be a huge problem as the community managers aren't supposed to do that.
But yeah until she gets into an argument with a fan this isn't something to truly worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 22:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sektor on Dec 17, 2013 22:48:32 GMT -5
Man, I did "Mighty" "No." and "9". Damn unreliable search.
Koda, you would think that this is nothing to worry about, applying logic and all. But you forget that this is the Internet, where logic goes to die. Also, the militant sect of the Megaman Community makes everything worse.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 17, 2013 23:36:09 GMT -5
I just listened to the Super Best Fiends podcast about this issue.
Bottom line: She's interjecting herself way too much on something she isn't designing at all. If she want's a MegaWoman game she should talk to Inafune herself I guess. The otherside is fanboys who would freak if the main character was red much less challenging gender stereotypes.
Bascially, its a mess of dumbassity.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 17, 2013 23:37:45 GMT -5
.......I don't want this thread to devolve into politics, but how in the world is "social justice warrior" supposed to be a derogatory term?
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Post by Glitch on Dec 17, 2013 23:38:12 GMT -5
She's not in charge of making the game or any aspect like that, so there really isn't a problem here.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Dec 17, 2013 23:40:22 GMT -5
im at work so link is block whats the issue?
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 17, 2013 23:48:16 GMT -5
im at work so link is block whats the issue? A feminist and gay-rights activist known for participating in heated conversations was appointed to a minor role involving interacting with fans. Some supporters of the game are throwing a hissy fit.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 17, 2013 23:48:41 GMT -5
.......I don't want this thread to devolve into politics, but how in the world is "social justice warrior" supposed to be a derogatory term? It's implying unreasonable militancy. It implies that the person in question is so overwhelmed by her cause that she does not listen to reason and is so close-minded that she finds "just cause" to be offended by anything that doesn't 100% conform to her worldview. If you agree with it or not--that's pretty much what's meant by the term in that context. That being said, it seems like much ado about nothing. Was she a bad pick to be a community manager? That's obviously debatable. Does she suddenly have the power to ruin the game with her allegedly extremist agenda? I don't think so.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 17, 2013 23:50:50 GMT -5
.......I don't want this thread to devolve into politics, but how in the world is "social justice warrior" supposed to be a derogatory term? mostly just a catch-all term used by schmucks pissed off when their misogyny and homophobia get called out.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 17, 2013 23:52:10 GMT -5
I have no problem with them using a woman, or even one that is an advocate for better representation of women and LGBT characters in games. What worries me, if anything, is supposedly how this woman attacks other games that don't conform to the beliefs she is advocating. That might be a bit of an issue if that bit about her is true. If you are going to advocate for something don't bash the things that don't conform to what you are advocating. That just creates further problems...... And she's just the community manager, right? Then everyone afraid of her warping the game with her views have nothing to worry about. Why? Because community managers are legit the bottom of the game development totem pole. Below even the QA guys and they have no influence of the game at all. They literally just interact with the fans. At best their involvement with the game's creation extends only to relaying messages from the fans about glitches and stuff or getting feedback on things like betas. Still that being said she might get involved in flame wars with fans and that could be a huge problem as the community managers aren't supposed to do that. But yeah until she gets into an argument with a fan this isn't something to truly worry about. Yeah, as long as it has zero bearing on the game or community, it really isn't an issue. Though, if the second part is true, and she is trying to say she's a designer, that might be an issue, but as it stands, nothing to bet too pissed about.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 17, 2013 23:53:56 GMT -5
It's the "justice" part of it that makes it a nonsensical insult. I'm sure there are misogynists and racists who use that, but I think it's also used by anti-PC people who are afraid what they enjoy will somehow get censored.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 18, 2013 0:04:23 GMT -5
Aww snap, the feminazis are coming to take your fedoras away!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 18, 2013 0:11:01 GMT -5
Aww snap, the feminazis are coming to take your fedoras away! They can have my fedora after I buy it from the store!
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 18, 2013 0:21:15 GMT -5
It's the "justice" part of it that makes it a nonsensical insult. I'm sure there are misogynists and racists who use that, but I think it's also used by anti-PC people who are afraid what they enjoy will somehow get censored. The "warrior" part is the insult. The people who are offended by her could certainly be guilty of misogyny and whatnot. Of course, perhaps she's been guilty of flaming people, lying, and turning every discussion about the game into an unrelated debate about her specific social and political worldview. I have no idea what the truth is in the matter. That seems to be the gist of both sides of the story. All that seems to be true is that she is a really divisive figure amongst the community. I just hope the game goes well and everybody chills out.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2013 0:32:34 GMT -5
This summarizes the stupidity of the uproar in my opinion.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 18, 2013 1:19:10 GMT -5
Oh noez, someone may or may not strongly push for an agenda detailing that women and LGBT groups should be treated like equals, even though she's given no inclination she will do such a thing and probably is savvy enough not to do so here, and may not even get the opportunity!
It sounds like folks are loading up bazookas after hearing rumors that a spitball fight could break out. How about they wait until she actually acts overbearing before they claim she's being overbearing?
But then again, I think Anita Sarkeesian is awesome.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Dec 18, 2013 1:29:49 GMT -5
im at work so link is block whats the issue? A feminist and gay-rights activist known for participating in heated conversations was appointed to a minor role involving interacting with fans. Some supporters of the game are throwing a hissy fit. well has she said or done anything outlandish while interacting with fans in said game role capacity because if not why does it matter? im confused
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