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Post by superchamp on Feb 25, 2014 12:06:38 GMT -5
I completely disagree with the thread title, Bray Wyatt is awesome.
To me, the most staggering thing about Bray is that the guy's only 26 years old, yet already he's got his character work down pat and is really, really getting there with his in-ring work. Scary to think how good he could be in a few years.
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Post by Mc Mc Mannequin on Feb 25, 2014 12:21:23 GMT -5
I like Wyatt but I kinda agree with the laughing thing. It comes across very cartoon villianish and corny at times.
Its a lot more creepy when he does the quieter more subtle laugh.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 25, 2014 12:52:08 GMT -5
I completely disagree with the OP, but it bugs me that a good deal of the counter-arguments here were "I BET YOU LIKE GENERIC HEELS IN BLACK TRUNKS HUH", despite no indication of that being said in the OP.
We're better than to use strawmen.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 25, 2014 12:57:00 GMT -5
I'm sure OP would fix the problems by making him wrestle in black tights. His gimmick would be that he's super agressive. We don't get too many of those guys, why is he being different to anything we've seen in the last few years? f*** him for being successful at it. Moderation. It's not that hard to understand. He can still have a gimmick - hell, he can still be a creepy cult leader - without being a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feed-hijacking powers to turn off the lights. the only thing different than anything Taker has ever done there is the tweeting
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 13:05:15 GMT -5
Moderation. It's not that hard to understand. He can still have a gimmick - hell, he can still be a creepy cult leader - without being a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feed-hijacking powers to turn off the lights. the only thing different than anything Taker has ever done there is the tweeting And? For one thing, Taker has been in tons of awful angles over the years. Tons. Besides that, it was a different age when he came up - against things like a wrestling minotaur or an evil IRS agent he wasn't really that out of place at all, and he's evolved with the times to where these days he's just an MMA fan who seems to also be a goth with some biker undertones and as of last night has a stupid goatee. By contrast you have this environment of, "Cena may have hurt his knee on a weak, routine move! Is it real? Is it a fake news story to build interest in the story? Find out soon!" where he was injured by the family from Deliverance. They completely take you out of the show because they don't remotely fit in it.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 25, 2014 13:16:02 GMT -5
It's a good gimmick and Bray (hell, everybody in the Family) performs it very well. Plus I like the idea that it's open to interpretation. You can believe that Bray really is some kind of supernatural force, some kind of weird swamp wizard cult leader who can literally mind control people and teleport. Or, you can believe he's a crazy guy who found 2 other crazy guys and decided to hang out. Oh and they're working with somebody in the back, which lets them do the DEH thing. What I notice is that within the WWE Universe, no one really acknowledges the DEH!
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Post by mrjl on Feb 25, 2014 13:16:52 GMT -5
the only thing different than anything Taker has ever done there is the tweeting And? For one thing, Taker has been in tons of awful angles over the years. Tons. Besides that, it was a different age when he came up - against things like a wrestling minotaur or an evil IRS agent he wasn't really that out of place at all, and he's evolved with the times to where these days he's just an MMA fan who seems to also be a goth with some biker undertones and as of last night has a stupid goatee. By contrast you have this environment of, "Cena may have hurt his knee on a weak, routine move! Is it real? Is it a fake news story to build interest in the story? Find out soon!" where he was injured by the family from Deliverance. They completely take you out of the show because they don't remotely fit in it. Undertaker and Kane have both retained their powers in story. If they can have them, other people can have them
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Post by Boo! on Feb 25, 2014 13:16:50 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt is awesome.
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Post by Viva on Feb 25, 2014 13:17:03 GMT -5
He's like a high schooler pretending to be a professional wrestler. The hair in front of his face, the brooding gazes, the annoying laughing at everything, and most of all the stupid nonsensical "deep" shit he espouses all the time. Humanity is like a virus? I want to puke. I get that 13 year olds eat this shit up, but god damn if he doesn't make me want to hit the skip forward button. He's like the epitome of the Fedora meme minus the atheism schtick. This is the dankest bait I've seen in a long time. Good show.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 25, 2014 13:28:46 GMT -5
It's a good gimmick and Bray (hell, everybody in the Family) performs it very well. Plus I like the idea that it's open to interpretation. You can believe that Bray really is some kind of supernatural force, some kind of weird swamp wizard cult leader who can literally mind control people and teleport. Or, you can believe he's a crazy guy who found 2 other crazy guys and decided to hang out. Oh and they're working with somebody in the back, which lets them do the DEH thing. What I notice is that within the WWE Universe, no one really acknowledges the DEH! I'm assuming the DEPH! thing is just for the television audiences, assuming that they don't do it in-arena already.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Feb 25, 2014 13:44:10 GMT -5
To everyone who's against Wayatt, what do you watch wrestling for? In essence, it's a real life comic book, with larger than life characters fighting for good and evil. Wayatt fits into that dynamic perfectly.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 25, 2014 13:46:09 GMT -5
To everyone who's against Wayatt, what do you watch wrestling for? In essence, it's a real life comic book, with larger than life characters fighting for good and evil. Wayatt fits into that dynamic perfectly. For me it's like, when wrestling works I'm not constantly thinking and being reminded "hey it's fake yknow its fake lol look at this carraaaaaaazy thing im doing lol i'm so clever and edgy, im so cool". For me it's like verging into meta Scream type territory that completely takes me out of it. I really want to believe that on some level this is a presentation of an athletic context, within the diegesis of a fantasy world, and for me something about Bray Wyatt's theatrics (and other guys, including Undertaker), can shatter that and pull me out of it to where I'm like ok I'm watching this guy act rather than I'm watching this wrestler try to win a match (with the element of the acting blending into the idea of the wrestling match rather than contrasting against it).
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 25, 2014 13:48:24 GMT -5
I don't know what most fans want out of Bray, but as far as I'm concerned, he could stand to be a little more cartoonish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 13:48:51 GMT -5
To everyone who's against Wayatt, what do you watch wrestling for? In essence, it's a real life comic book, with larger than life characters fighting for good and evil. Wayatt fits into that dynamic perfectly. I like well done characters, and I personally am not buying what Bray Wyatt is selling. If someone else does, awesome, good for them, neither one of us is any more correct than the other. It's really that simple.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 25, 2014 13:52:11 GMT -5
To everyone who's against Wayatt, what do you watch wrestling for? In essence, it's a real life comic book, with larger than life characters fighting for good and evil. Wayatt fits into that dynamic perfectly. I like well done characters, and I personally am not buying what Bray Wyatt is selling. If someone else does, awesome, good for them, neither one of us is any more correct than the other. It's really that simple. It really is HUGELY down to a level of personal taste I think. Such fun seeing the anti smarks and smarks find common ground though. What a therapeutic thread.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Feb 25, 2014 13:52:18 GMT -5
To everyone who's against Wayatt, what do you watch wrestling for? In essence, it's a real life comic book, with larger than life characters fighting for good and evil. Wayatt fits into that dynamic perfectly. For me it's like, when wrestling works I'm not constantly thinking and being reminded "hey it's fake yknow its fake lol look at this carraaaaaaazy thing im doing lol i'm so clever and edgy, im so cool". For me it's like verging into meta Scream type territory that completely takes me out of it. Okay, I can see that. And you were right about the Taker/HHH HIAC match being the same way, I want to say it was you who compared it to the blocking for a Tennessee Williams play. But wrestling IS fake, we all know it. Do you tune out, for example, to 24 when Jack Bower does some next-level computer shit from his phone? Because its the same thing to me, an alternate universe where there's different limits and spectra. I do understand if that's the case, I need to explain my love for the campyness of wrestling with this argument a lot.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 25, 2014 13:59:09 GMT -5
For me it's like, when wrestling works I'm not constantly thinking and being reminded "hey it's fake yknow its fake lol look at this carraaaaaaazy thing im doing lol i'm so clever and edgy, im so cool". For me it's like verging into meta Scream type territory that completely takes me out of it. Okay, I can see that. And you were right about the Taker/HHH HIAC match being the same way, I want to say it was you who compared it to the blocking for a Tennessee Williams play. But wrestling IS fake, we all know it. Do you tune out, for example, to 24 when Jack Bower does some next-level computer shit from his phone? Because its the same thing to me, an alternate universe where there's different limits and spectra. I do understand if that's the case, I need to explain my love for the campyness of wrestling with this argument a lot. I think a better example of my yknow dislike for stuff like Wyatts, Ambrose would be if like the guy who played Curtis started calling Jack Bauer Kiefer. Anything that calls attention to itself. If something fits in with the flow of things and doesn't disrupt stuff that's one thing. The melodramatic pauses and extensive in-ring dialogue of the sappier Wrestlemania epics (Flair/Shawn, HIAC Taker/HHH) definitely pull me out, just like Bray doing elaborate interpretive dances while the opponent just kinda sits there, then does something that REALLLY looks like it couldn't possibly hurt, makes me go yeah isn't making me excited. However the best way to get me to tune out of 24 is centering the show around Jack and Audrey. CLICK! EDIT: Hell, I love CM Punk but at the same time hated pretty much every time he broke the 4th wall, especially when he was all cutesy face after the pipebomb/for much of his babyface run in 2011-2012.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2014 14:03:03 GMT -5
I don't know what most fans want out of Bray, but as far as I'm concerned, he could stand to be a little more cartoonish. *Steph sets a pie on the windowsill* "Now, Hunter, don't you eat this pie!" *Triple rolls his eyes* "Of course I won't." *Steph leaves. Triple H is reading the paper when music distorts and a lamb face is shown. the lights go out.* *The lights come back on, Triple H is covered in blueberry and the pie is gone* "Ah crap."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 14:03:33 GMT -5
What I notice is that within the WWE Universe, no one really acknowledges the DEH! I'm assuming the DEPH! thing is just for the television audiences, assuming that they don't do it in-arena already. They do, it played before Rowan and Harper entered the Rumble.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 25, 2014 14:05:56 GMT -5
I don't know what most fans want out of Bray, but as far as I'm concerned, he could stand to be a little more cartoonish. *Steph sets a pie on the windowsill* "Now, Hunter, don't you eat this pie!" *Triple rolls his eyes* "Of course I won't." *Steph leaves. Triple H is reading the paper when music distorts and a lamb face is shown. the lights go out.* *The lights come back on, Triple H is covered in blueberry and the pie is gone* "Ah crap." Great, now I actually wanna see this as a legit skit.
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