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Post by bearned on Feb 25, 2014 15:06:38 GMT -5
I get why some people wouldn't like him but I think it's an entertaining gimmick that he has put a lot of work into. It's also one trillion times better than his previous incarnation.
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Feb 25, 2014 15:11:13 GMT -5
The Wyatts would be equally entertaining if Rowan and Harper were just a normal tag team. But the name would be strange.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 15:14:58 GMT -5
Wyatt (and his family) has been one of the most interesting acts in the company since FCW, in my opinion. The gimmick is dumb on paper, but so is a zombie biker-mortician-MMA enthusiast. The delivery isn't gonna' work for everyone but for me he plays it basically perfectly; hell, he's one of the few people in the company who I feel plays their character really well. Though admittedly it helps that he's one of the few with an actual character to speak of, rather than the usual "John Smith wants to entertain the WWE universe and win at wrestling!"
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Feb 25, 2014 15:34:59 GMT -5
Honestly right now Bray is one of my favorite guys, promo-wise. When it comes to in-ring he's not quite there yet, but he's far from terrible. And it's clear that the WWE sees something in the guy as well considering he has yet to be pinned clean since debuting.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 25, 2014 16:58:20 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt is in a different league to early 90s Undertaker. Early 90s Undertaker couldn't go much more than 10 minutes, and the gimmick mainly hid his limitations (mainly a back injury). Right, I guess I mean more about you saying this about Wyatt... and how anyone could just say this about early Undertaker too: He's like a high schooler pretending to be a professional wrestler.
The hair in front of his face, the brooding gazes . . . and most of all the stupid nonsensical "deep" shit he espouses all the time. The Undertaker is probably in my top ten favorite wrestlers ever, and when I was a teen he was 1a after Cactus Jack. That said, he's been guilty of saying some seriously lame shit on the microphone over the years as well. When these dark and supernatural gimmicks are given a lot of mic time it's hard to take them seriously. Undertaker and Kane were helped a lot by looking like really bad ass dudes most of the time.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 25, 2014 17:03:12 GMT -5
The Wyatts would be equally entertaining if Rowan and Harper were just a normal tag team. But the name would be strange. I agree. One of the things I hate about "lackey" characters in general is that they generally just follow their leader around and tend to come off as glorified non-wrestlers except for when they're tagging with their leader. They're usually either too over protected (Rowan and Harper) or booked to be total incompetent losers (Edgeheads, Legacy, Riley) to the point where they're unable to contribute to the product because they're so isolated from the rest of the roster.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Feb 25, 2014 17:10:02 GMT -5
Right, I guess I mean more about you saying this about Wyatt... and how anyone could just say this about early Undertaker too: He's like a high schooler pretending to be a professional wrestler.
The hair in front of his face, the brooding gazes . . . and most of all the stupid nonsensical "deep" shit he espouses all the time. The Undertaker is probably in my top ten favorite wrestlers ever, and when I was a teen he was 1a after Cactus Jack. That said, he's been guilty of saying some seriously lame shit on the microphone over the years as well. When these dark and supernatural gimmicks are given a lot of mic time it's hard to take them seriously. Undertaker and Kane were helped a lot by looking like really bad ass dudes most of the time. Right, well that's precisely my point. That Bray Wyatt is in terrific company and that these criticisms about him are meaningless.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Feb 25, 2014 17:14:13 GMT -5
I believe the point is that Bray Wyatt does not look like a badass. The straw fedora and Hawaiian shirts don't help.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Feb 25, 2014 17:15:55 GMT -5
I believe the point is that Bray Wyatt does not look like a badass. The straw fedora and Hawaiian shirts don't help. Cape Fear, It's about making him look unassuming while something very dark lurks beneath the surface.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Feb 25, 2014 17:44:23 GMT -5
Duke Rotunda is no Robert Deniro or Robert Mitchum
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 25, 2014 17:44:30 GMT -5
A lot of people seem to have problems with his promos because they "aren't really deep." Of course they're not. He's a crazy cult leader. As the viewing audience, we're not supposed to agree with him, we're supposed to see him as a charismatic charlatan. You're supposed to see why people would be converted to his cause, but not be converted yourself. His gimmick is great and he puts a lot of effort in it. It's over. I just don't think it's that deep to 99% of the audience. The kids, teens, and edgier 20 somethings genuinely buy into his tortured soul "this world is DARK PLACE, mannnn!" schtick completely, and see everything he says as being very insightful and different from all the stylized glam of the rest of the WWE. Which I can sometimes do on the odd occasion when he reigns things in a bit. There is maybe a deeper interpretation, but I think its an organic one, not the so-called authors intent. Now, of course he is a heel. And he's a guy who speaks with fancy words and acts cowardly, so a big portion of the audience is going hate on the surface level just for that. Bray Wyatt laughs, stretches his arms out theatrically, prances everywhere, and is constantly doing weird poses, like his spider thing or that weird curtsy he did after he beat Bryan (seriously, what was that? He looked like a ballerina). Harper's this huge, dirty-looking guy with massive eyes constantly darting everywhere, a slack-jawed expression constantly on his face, and a no-nonsense way of carrying himself, and the most theatrical thing he's done is whistle. Harper's a hell of a lot scarier than Bray is. Harper looks like he probably feeds mainly on dogs and his own urine. Harper's YEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHHHHH is scarier than anything Wyatt has ever done. Believable? Who watches the WWE for believable? The character and it's development are great. That's just the thing. He's not believable. Like many others have said, it feels like he is "playing" the character rather than being it.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Feb 25, 2014 17:44:33 GMT -5
His name isn't even Robert!
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Post by JTH on Feb 25, 2014 17:55:35 GMT -5
Well he is feuding with Cena now, so his promos need to be dulled down to things a 9 year old would say or understand...
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 25, 2014 18:04:36 GMT -5
I believe the point is that Bray Wyatt does not look like a badass. The straw fedora and Hawaiian shirts don't help. Cape Fear, It's about making him look unassuming while something very dark lurks beneath the surface. If he's supposed to look unassuming, what's with the lantern entrance and lamb mask wearing companion?
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Feb 25, 2014 18:08:20 GMT -5
He isn't as bad as some of the wrestlers who got handed a WWE contract because of who their daddy is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 25, 2014 18:09:25 GMT -5
He isn't as bad as some of the wrestlers who got handed a WWE contract because of who their daddy is. I like Bray Wyatt enough, but I think there's an "oh wait" in there somewhere.
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Post by machomuta on Feb 25, 2014 18:13:07 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt is awesome. Great gimmick and a good wrestler.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Feb 25, 2014 19:17:35 GMT -5
Cape Fear, It's about making him look unassuming while something very dark lurks beneath the surface. If he's supposed to look unassuming, what's with the lantern entrance and lamb mask wearing companion? Mind games, It's a combo, You get that the people that follow him are dangerous as they look it, but his look is brighter in comparison. Either way were reading too much into a wrestling gimmick here.
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Post by Essential1 on Feb 25, 2014 19:56:23 GMT -5
He's not a bad character to have on the roster but something about his look just makes it hard for me to take him seriously as a threat. He's just a really chubby guy with no muscle tone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:21:29 GMT -5
In an age where the vast majority gimmicks seem to be "I'm shirtless and I'm going to kick your ass" I like that they have this cult leader thing going. The problem is that they already went and did the only logical angle you can do with a cult leader with the forced initiation and break away. Someone needs to sell a t-shirt that says that. It would seriously sell. In fact, I'm not even going to post this, I'm going to take the idea for myself!
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