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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 25, 2014 20:25:42 GMT -5
In an age where the vast majority gimmicks seem to be "I'm shirtless and I'm going to kick your ass" I like that they have this cult leader thing going. The problem is that they already went and did the only logical angle you can do with a cult leader with the forced initiation and break away. Someone needs to sell a t-shirt that says that. It would seriously sell. In fact, I'm not even going to post this, I'm going to take the idea for myself! I could've totally seen a John Morrison shirt with that phrase on it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:29:51 GMT -5
I'm sure OP would fix the problems by making him wrestle in black tights. His gimmick would be that he's super agressive. We don't get too many of those guys, why is he being different to anything we've seen in the last few years? f*** him for being successful at it. Moderation. It's not that hard to understand. He can still have a gimmick - hell, he can still be a creepy cult leader - without being a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feed-hijacking powers to turn off the lights. Moderation!? F that. I'll take a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feedjijacking pwoers to turn off the lights over...I don't know, bad teeth angry Gene Snitsky, or Korporate Kane who is the same but wears black jeans and a wife beater and is the 'Director of Operations'. To me, that is what moderation gets you in a wrestling character. Lack of moderation gets you stuff like Goldust, Mankind, Undertaker, or Bray Wyatt.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 25, 2014 20:37:34 GMT -5
Moderation. It's not that hard to understand. He can still have a gimmick - hell, he can still be a creepy cult leader - without being a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feed-hijacking powers to turn off the lights. Moderation!? F that. I'll take a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feedjijacking pwoers to turn off the lights over...I don't know, bad teeth angry Gene Snitsky, or Korporate Kane who is the same but wears black jeans and a wife beater and is the 'Director of Operations'. To me, that is what moderation gets you in a wrestling character. Lack of moderation gets you stuff like Goldust, Mankind, Undertaker, or Bray Wyatt. Yes, we need more moderation. Mankind, sure, but the sock puppet was too much and he was way too over the top in his promos. And the mask was just unnecessary. And did Austin really need the beer and flipping the bird all the time? Couldn't he have just politely disagreed with his employer and filed a grievance and had binding arbitration?
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 25, 2014 20:40:42 GMT -5
Moderation!? F that. I'll take a teleporting demon tweeting Johnny Cash songs in between using his video feedjijacking pwoers to turn off the lights over...I don't know, bad teeth angry Gene Snitsky, or Korporate Kane who is the same but wears black jeans and a wife beater and is the 'Director of Operations'. To me, that is what moderation gets you in a wrestling character. Lack of moderation gets you stuff like Goldust, Mankind, Undertaker, or Bray Wyatt. Yes, we need more moderation. Mankind, sure, but the sock puppet was too much and he was way too over the top in his promos. And the mask was just unnecessary. And did Austin really need the beer and flipping the bird all the time? Couldn't he have just politely disagreed with his employer and filed a grievance and had binding arbitration? The Rock can surely be good without constantly referring to himself in the third person or yelling all his lines at a rapid pace. And what's this about asking us if we smell what he's cookin'?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 21:00:59 GMT -5
Someone needs to sell a t-shirt that says that. It would seriously sell. In fact, I'm not even going to post this, I'm going to take the idea for myself! I could've totally seen a John Morrison shirt with that phrase on it. Very true, irony is appreciated and encouraged in the Palace of Wisdom.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Feb 25, 2014 21:15:56 GMT -5
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Post by SenorCrest on Feb 26, 2014 1:29:17 GMT -5
I got it. It came to me in a dream. I hope it doesn't get no sold.
On Raw 31/1/11 Randy Orton Punts Husky Harris The last thing Husky hears is the crowd cheering and a blurry image of the crowd. Husky was recovering from a concussion due to the punt. He couldn't sleep well because he kept reliving what happen that night. He would try to count sheep to sleep but kept getting flash backs of RAW 3/1/11. Lack of sleep he went a bit insane and heard voices in his head that told him he was the demon. Husky eventually became Bray after fighting with himself. He believed he was the demon and now was. The sheep mask symbolizes tranquility, peace, innocence. The "DEH!" cuts and the upside down turnbuckle thing is a reminder of that night. Husky was weak, Bray is strong. Rowan and Harper follow Bray because they believe in the vision that Bray painted for them of power and respect also money I'm sure.
Notable mention: Luke Harper's (Bray's right hand man) first name comes from an early Christian disciple, and Harper is the name of a person who harps on a subject.
How's that for Highschool edgy.
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 26, 2014 2:48:09 GMT -5
I like his promos. Not big on his in-ring work, however.
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Post by brody on Feb 26, 2014 11:54:23 GMT -5
He's so good that he has 2 different and very interesting potential matches set up for the biggest show of the year
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Post by bootytea on Feb 26, 2014 12:01:02 GMT -5
Its like putting Kwee Wee as the leader of the Filthy Animals to me.
Bray tries way too hard and is the standout of the group for the wrong reasons. If this were a comedy group, it would make sense, but they are trying to make this into some serious stable. I feel it would be much more effective if Bray was saying perverted things instead of trying to be deep but coming across as hokey instead.
Luke Harper and Eric Rowan are far more impressive as members of the faction. There is something about Bray that makes it hard for me to see him as an intimidating monster. He looks creepy, but once he opens his mouth, I can not help but either cringe or give a sarcastic chuckle.
I can see him doing very well as a face though.
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Post by barelybeastmode on Feb 26, 2014 12:17:10 GMT -5
I believe the point is that Bray Wyatt does not look like a badass. The straw fedora and Hawaiian shirts don't help. Cape Fear, It's about making him look unassuming while something very dark lurks beneath the surface.This, because it needs to be said again. Cape Fear was one of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen (in ranking it up there with 'I Saw The Devil'). And while Bray doesn't actually remind me of Max Cady(he is his own entity after all) he sounds like believes every bit of the lunatic rhetoric he spouts which makes him dangerous. And in my experience both professionally and personally its surprising how much darkness those unassuming people can harbor. As for Luke and Rowan they're more obvious about being dangerous so they need a leader, someone to reign them in or to unleash them. I think Bray plays that perfectly well and the way Eric and most especially Luke look to him for guidance seals it for me. Hilariously enough the Wyatt theme started playing on my ipod while I was typing this
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Post by g1megatronfan on Feb 26, 2014 17:22:33 GMT -5
I don't know...he and the rest of the crew do nothing for me. I don't know what else to say about Bray Wyatt really. His matches...meh and him on the mic...double meh. His whole deal is kinda lame to me. What is this "machine" he's trying to take down? It's not the Authority so what is it? I'm guessing he's against society or something, but still he's done nothing in his war. I liked the hillbilly character better with Waylon Mercy back in the mid 90's and the other two are horrible in my opinion. Especially the bald guy wearing the trashman outfit. He sucks.
Overall the whole group is nothing special at all to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 17:40:54 GMT -5
I believe the point is that Bray Wyatt does not look like a badass. The straw fedora and Hawaiian shirts don't help. Cape Fear, It's about making him look unassuming while something very dark lurks beneath the surface. That'd work if he at all tried to make himself seem unassuming or like a normal human being or something but... He doesn't. He's always completely off his rocker, pun noticed and proceeded with as a result, and he's always talking like a serial killer while he jumps around everywhere completely nuts. His character doesn't carry himself like he'd be able to even walk down the street without beating the shit out of somebody entirely for laughs, which basically just makes him come off like he had a weird fashion sense for a guy who should probably be wearing a robe and a helmet made out of a ram's skull.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 26, 2014 18:26:22 GMT -5
Bray has done a lot of work to make his gimmick as believable and realistic as possible, he's adopted many of the techniques of real cult-leaders.
The below is edited from the 48 laws of power (due to length and religious mentions in the full version):
Law 27: Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cult like Following, ways to Create a Cult:
Keep It Vague; Keep It Simple- Seen in promos
First attract attention. This you should do not through actions, which are too clear and readable, but through words, which are hazy and deceptive. Your initial speeches, conversations, and interviews must include:
The promise of something great and transformative. The other a total vagueness.
Emphasize the Visual and the Sensual over the Intellectual - Sheep mask, lantern, rocking chair, beards, poses
Dazzle your followers with visual splendor, and fill their eyes with spectacle. Not only will this keep them from seeing the ridiculousness of your ideas, the holes in your belief system, it will also attract more attention, more followers.
Structure the Group Find a way both elevating and comforting. Organize them into a hierarchy Talk and act like a prophet:
Set Up an Us-Versus-Them Dynamic - The Machine, The Shield, Any other opponent
Make sure your followers believe they are part of an exclusive club, unified by a bond of common goals.· Manufacture the notion of a devious enemy out to ruin you. There is a force of nonbelievers that will do anything to stop you.· If you have no enemies, invent one. Given a straw man to react against, your followers will tighten and cohere.
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Post by ratetankmark on Feb 27, 2014 15:46:35 GMT -5
Watching wrestling for seriousness and realism is like watching a porn film for it's plot and acting talent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 21:40:44 GMT -5
I feel it, but you have to give wrestling a leash.
Brooding teen hack stuff is still viable character fodder. It's no dumber than cockstrong "I am the best" type of gimmicks.
I think at least a part of his problem is having a gimmick that doesn't necessarily gel with the current era. He can't really do anything crazy, it's all blah blah and then maybe Brodie beats on someone on his behalf.
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