FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 26, 2014 14:53:13 GMT -5
Anything that gets rid of Marvel's definition of 'Mary Sue' is fine by me. That a writer as spectacular as Paul Cornell is doing the setup is a bonus.
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Post by Hurbster on Apr 26, 2014 15:17:54 GMT -5
I saw no mention of Kitty Pryde...
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Thaal Sinestro
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Apr 26, 2014 15:29:40 GMT -5
From this I am taking pleasure that maybe it means a few months off Wolverine being everywhere. This is the only solace. But prepare for every f***ing body and even Cyclops to verbally blow him till he comes back.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2014 16:09:20 GMT -5
As someone mentioned earlier, he'll surely still be in out of continuity one shots or whatever the entire time he's 'dead'. They'll probably have a month long funeral story arc or some such..
Logan ain't goin anywhere.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Apr 26, 2014 16:25:00 GMT -5
You want to mess with Wolverine? Why not work with what you got? Find a way to return all of his memories to him (if they haven't done so already). That way he is a human being who has lost damned near everyone he has ever loved in his long life and suffers from a certain lack of ability to progress in his life. He can't grow old with anyone. He can't form any relationships without the knowledge that he will have to watch the ones he comes to love grow old, weak and die. Instead of being the angry animal he has been, make him a tragic man who determines that he should have died 100 years ago and seeks a way to make it happen, Phil Connors-style. Have him test the limits of his healing factor. See if he can exhaust the ability in any way. See how you can have him interact with people who care for him but have no frame of reference of what he is going through. I believe they have done that.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Apr 26, 2014 16:58:07 GMT -5
YEah... considering his main power is being a smurfing spatial anomaly so that he can be in 5 places at once, I am not surprise or concerned. As an X-Men fan, I feel it never should be in main Marvel continuity I'm like that with both them and Spider-Man. All the best stuff with him has been in alternate universes these last few years like the newspaper dailes (where he's been married for almost thirty years as opposed to the regulat universes' twenty) and the Spider-Girl canon where he's allowed to actually grow up and raise his kids Mind you, for me X-Men's been dead to me since the Legacy Virus was cured I am fine with how they cured in, and the reason why Colossus did it. I was so PISSED that they brought him back. Heroic sacrifice, actions, even plotlines, have NO meaning if there are no goddamned consequences for actions. And the fact that at this point the Marvel Universe has, like DC, effectively turned into the Cancerverse version, due to the huge stagnation of characters and events. No one learns from crap, no one remembers crap, death has no meaning, serves no purpose.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2014 17:00:01 GMT -5
The dumbest thing is, this mythical 'casual' fan they're trying to attract doesn't exist.
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Post by camsamurai06 on Apr 26, 2014 17:03:49 GMT -5
I'm like that with both them and Spider-Man. All the best stuff with him has been in alternate universes these last few years like the newspaper dailes (where he's been married for almost thirty years as opposed to the regulat universes' twenty) and the Spider-Girl canon where he's allowed to actually grow up and raise his kids Mind you, for me X-Men's been dead to me since the Legacy Virus was cured I am fine with how they cured in, and the reason why Colossus did it. I was so PISSED that they brought him back. Heroic sacrifice, actions, even plotlines, have NO meaning if there are no goddamned consequences for actions. And the fact that at this point the Marvel Universe has, like DC, effectively turned into the Cancerverse version, due to the huge stagnation of characters and events. No one learns from crap, no one remembers crap, death has no meaning, serves no purpose. Yeah, I did like how they cured it, it's just around that time all the "old" stories, essentially the classic era, was being neatly all phased out at the time...Cyclops dying for a stretch/bonding with Apocalypse (which at least still has consequence to this day), Moria dying, Collosus, etc, everything after "Eve of Destruction" felt like a massive different universe I was reading, which I honestly think Marvel ought to just bite the bullet and go through with now, it's clear they've been trying to move away from the old stories for ages, even deleting some from history or altering them under the pretense of "adding to the mythology"
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2014 17:17:15 GMT -5
Still better than the New 52. Yeah, this. I've ranted about Blue Beetle too many times on here, but I've basically stopped reading comics since the New 52.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2014 17:38:00 GMT -5
I did the same honestly, as Brubaker leaving Cap was the last time I read the Big Two. They made it pretty clear they didn't want my $ with Marvel Now and New 52, so I haven't given it to 'em. Don't get me wrong, it's not outta any sorta goofy protest, just didn't care enough to follow books I wasn't interested in.
That said, I will give Spider-man 2099 a look when it's relaunched, as I liked the original series and Peter David is back on it.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 26, 2014 17:45:20 GMT -5
I did the same honestly, as Brubaker leaving Cap was the last time I read the Big Two. They made it pretty clear they didn't want my $ with Marvel Now and New 52, so I haven't given it to 'em. Don't get me wrong, it's not outta any sorta goofy protest, just didn't care enough to follow books I wasn't interested in. That said, I will give Spider-man 2099 a look when it's relaunched, as I liked the original series and Peter David is back on it. I picked up Deadpool because I'm a Brian Posehn fan, and I picked up FF (volume 2) and now She-Hulk, because I'm She-Hulk fan. But when my current subscriptions end, I'm not renewing them. Anymore, I just pick up trades of old stuff (as I've mentioned in the main comic book thread).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2014 17:47:04 GMT -5
Yeah, as I've said before, if there's an interesting stand-alone story or something, I'll give it a look as well; I just don't care about the universes as a whole anymore.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 26, 2014 17:54:41 GMT -5
3 months.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 26, 2014 17:56:50 GMT -5
I saw no mention of Kitty Pryde... if only.
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Thaal Sinestro
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Apr 26, 2014 19:57:29 GMT -5
You want to mess with Wolverine? Why not work with what you got? Find a way to return all of his memories to him (if they haven't done so already). That way he is a human being who has lost damned near everyone he has ever loved in his long life and suffers from a certain lack of ability to progress in his life. He can't grow old with anyone. He can't form any relationships without the knowledge that he will have to watch the ones he comes to love grow old, weak and die. Instead of being the angry animal he has been, make him a tragic man who determines that he should have died 100 years ago and seeks a way to make it happen, Phil Connors-style. Have him test the limits of his healing factor. See if he can exhaust the ability in any way. See how you can have him interact with people who care for him but have no frame of reference of what he is going through. I believe they have done that. House of M restored them. So yeah. He currently knows everything. Seems to be the same ol Mc Stabby tho.
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Post by mysterydriver on Apr 26, 2014 20:07:21 GMT -5
Will his last word be "Bub"?
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Thaal Sinestro
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Apr 26, 2014 20:12:27 GMT -5
Will his last word be "Bub"? "JEEEEEEEEEEEEAN"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 20:15:45 GMT -5
Will his last word be "Bub"? "JEEEEEEEEEEEEAN" ..got bit by a dog, too.
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wildojinx
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 26, 2014 20:37:03 GMT -5
The dumbest thing is, this mythical 'casual' fan they're trying to attract doesn't exist. Exactly. Maybe if they sold comics in convenience stores or supermarkets again i could see it, but the only place i see comics sold outside of a comic book store are in bookstores.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2014 20:40:04 GMT -5
The dumbest thing is, this mythical 'casual' fan they're trying to attract doesn't exist. Exactly. Maybe if they sold comics in convenience stores or supermarkets again i could see it, but the only place i see comics sold outside of a comic book store are in bookstores. Agreed. And even then, it would be a stretch as they're like four dollars a pop now. When I was a kid, they were a buck for the longest, then slowly started climbing to 1.99 or so when in I was in college. A dollar or two is reasonable for a kid to pick up a couple books and potentially become a new reader. Four dollars and up for 28 pages is silly even for dyed in the wool comic fans that average probably around 25 years old and up, much less a ten year old kid that might pick up an issue for a dollar.
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