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Post by Catchphrase! on May 5, 2014 23:35:56 GMT -5
Ryder was a pawn to get Cena's angle over. In this Kane is a pawn to get Bryan's reign over.And is it working? (I haven't seen Raw, by the way, so I legitimately don't know.)
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Post by superchamp on May 5, 2014 23:36:02 GMT -5
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG!!
I've also been joking as there's quite clearly a discernible difference between Daniel Bryan and Zack Ryder. Jesus.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 5, 2014 23:37:53 GMT -5
What's Bryan supposed to do? Be like "nah, I want no unique advancement in my angle" Just because something is unique or different doesn't make it any good. I know some people are gonna make "LOLFOLEY" comments but he's absolutely right. Being a top guy involves being able to politic. If you want to stay on top for a significant amount of time, you have to be able tell the writers straight up "no" sometimes. Austin did it, Punk did it, Hogan did it, Hart did it, I'm sure even Cena does it. Closed mouths don't get fed, you have to be able to speak up and say that the angle the writers are giving you may not be the best thing ever for your character. Now, who knows? Maybe Bryan actually thought that angle was actually good and that's why he didn't try to nix it. Or maybe he just got overruled by Vince and didn't want to make a big stink about it after such a emotional few weeks for him, I don't know. The point still stands though, WWE is a freaking shark tank. You have to be selfish and look out for yourself every now and then if you want to keep your spot.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 5, 2014 23:38:46 GMT -5
Ryder was a pawn to get Cena's angle over. In this Kane is a pawn to get Bryan's reign over.And is it working? (I haven't seen Raw, by the way, so I legitimately don't know.) Well I'm more talking about the bigger picture with both and the Extreme rules match was a good match so it worked there. Continuing it past there idk.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 5, 2014 23:39:02 GMT -5
Ryder was a pawn to get Cena's angle over. In this Kane is a pawn to get Bryan's reign over. This is the key part. However, it is still in Bryan's best interest to shoot down bad ideas as Foley says - he can't spend forever trying to make bad angles work without advocating for more good angles.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 23:39:35 GMT -5
Just stop having Brie appear with Bryan in any way and Bryan segments instantly become more entertaining.
Done.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 5, 2014 23:43:46 GMT -5
Eve was a lot better in her role than Brie was tonight. If that had been Eve the segment would have been a lot better, But Bryan is in no danger of being derailed. Well yeah, Eve makes everything better.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 5, 2014 23:48:31 GMT -5
says the guy who made a good part of his career on putting a dirty sock on his hand. Wouldn't a better example be an idea that didn't work fantastically well? I love Foley, he was my favorite wrestler when frankly, I was in a very dark place in my life, but I think he's possibly worrying too much here. This was pure cheese, but we've frankly seen people less over than Bryan come back from worse. He might need to be selective at times, but this isn't probably even in the top 3 of bad Kane storylines that poor bastard has had to jump on the grenade for.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2014 23:48:43 GMT -5
Ryder isn't 1/100th as good as Bryan in ANY way. There's a major difference
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 23:49:42 GMT -5
says the guy who made a good part of his career on putting a dirty sock on his hand. Wouldn't a better example be an idea that didn't work fantastically well? I just meant sometimes its the ideas that sound completely idiotic that end up being unexpectedly successful.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 5, 2014 23:52:09 GMT -5
Ryder was a pawn to get Cena's angle over. In this Kane is a pawn to get Bryan's reign over.And is it working? (I haven't seen Raw, by the way, so I legitimately don't know.) It's too early to tell. He's been champion for about a month. It's really, really easy to forget that sometimes, due the sheer amount going on in wrestling right now, like Warrior dying, Evolution being a thing, TNA.... doing things they're probably not very proud of, and Bryan having the most schizophrenic April known to man, but it's been a really brief amount of time, and it's hard to say how successful it has been so far. He was one of very few things Albany woke up from their coma to deign to acknowledge, though, so he's got that. He even got the crowd to boo Del Rio, rather than just stare at him with a milky film over their eyeballs, as per the norm.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 5, 2014 23:52:15 GMT -5
What's Bryan supposed to do? Be like "nah, I want no unique advancement in my angle" How about "How about something that doesn't make me look like a pussy, running away with my girlfriend from the guy whose ass I kicked fair and square last night?"? WWE Champions shouldn't look like pussies. John Cena wouldn't have wanted to run away. That should be the same approach with Bryan.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 5, 2014 23:53:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't a better example be an idea that didn't work fantastically well? I just meant sometimes its the ideas that sound completely idiotic that end up being unexpectedly successful. Ah, okay, that makes sense then.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 5, 2014 23:55:59 GMT -5
What's Bryan supposed to do? Be like "nah, I want no unique advancement in my angle" How about "How about something that doesn't make me look like a pussy, running away with my girlfriend from the guy whose ass I kicked fair and square last night?"? WWE Champions shouldn't look like pussies. John Cena wouldn't have wanted to run away. That should be the same approach with Bryan. He's only running because his wife is right there. I figure they'd have got that point across when he cold cocked Kane with a wrench and didn't run away that time. Kayfabe wise, that almost got Brie dragged under the ring to, I dunno, look at where Hornswoggle used to live or something. Bryan, as a character, has been portrayed as fearless to the point of reckless unflinchingly throughout most if not all of his WWE run, so they basically have to have his liability he has to watch out for to threaten. Think of it as his John Cena Sr.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 5, 2014 23:56:58 GMT -5
Holy damn, we want to be kayfabed.
Not that Foley's comment is a work, or anything, but the extent that people will go to justify this belief that on-screen talent deserves their spot. It used to be because they won their fights. Now we know the fights are fake, so it's changed to being because they do everything right behind the scenes and shoot down all the writers' bad ideas and seize control of their character.
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Post by Perd on May 6, 2014 0:00:16 GMT -5
It's ridiculous to compare Bryan to Ryder. He did just main event WrestleMania, after all. That being said, the sooner he escapes the Kane vortex, the better. This feud is doing nothing for him.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2014 0:03:57 GMT -5
It's ridiculous to compare Bryan to Ryder. He did just main event WrestleMania, after all. That being said, the sooner he escapes the Kane vortex, the better. This feud is doing nothing for him. We're probably getting a second and likely final match before Kane either is directed at someone else or takes time off/retires. Hasn't Kane started some business outside of WWE? I could see him focusing on that for a bit.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 0:06:49 GMT -5
How about "How about something that doesn't make me look like a pussy, running away with my girlfriend from the guy whose ass I kicked fair and square last night?"? WWE Champions shouldn't look like pussies. John Cena wouldn't have wanted to run away. That should be the same approach with Bryan. He's only running because his wife is right there. I figure they'd have got that point across when he cold cocked Kane with a wrench and didn't run away that time. Kayfabe wise, that almost got Brie dragged under the ring to, I dunno, look at where Hornswoggle used to live or something. Bryan, as a character, has been portrayed as fearless to the point of reckless unflinchingly throughout most if not all of his WWE run, so they basically have to have his liability he has to watch out for to threaten. Think of it as his John Cena Sr. That makes sense. I just didn't care for the execution. This is always an all important time for a new Champion. I just don't want to see him get shoe-horned into some dead-end angle that cools him off rather than heats him up. And I fear that this Brie addition is going to do just that. I guess I've just seen this thing happen too many times to not cringe when I see it again.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 6, 2014 0:07:18 GMT -5
It's ridiculous to compare Bryan to Ryder. He did just main event WrestleMania, after all. That being said, the sooner he escapes the Kane vortex, the better. This feud is doing nothing for him. We're probably getting a second and likely final match before Kane either is directed at someone else or takes time off/retires. Hasn't Kane started some business outside of WWE? I could see him focusing on that for a bit. If WWE was a boat I'm pretty sure the anchors would be Kane and Big Show. It's amazing how they always kill the momentum of whoever they're attached to, and it's like WWE puts them in these major angles for purely sentimental reasons, because it's not like there's a public clamoring to see Big Show and Kane in main events.
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Post by keezy on May 6, 2014 0:08:18 GMT -5
Foley is annoying me with his new Internet smark gimmick.
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