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Post by BRV on May 7, 2014 8:37:36 GMT -5
It's a very stupid angle, but in all likelihood, it'll be put to rest in about four weeks at Payback.
The difference between Daniel Bryan and Zack Ryder is that Bryan can survive a dumb, gimmicky horror-movie angle because Bryan is a better wrestler, better on the mic, a better actor, has a deeper connection with the fans, and is more adaptable to the situation.
And when it comes to swallowing the bitter pill and being a company man when it comes to crummy storylines, I'm happy that Bryan is gutting it out and sticking with it, because like us, he knows it'll be all over soon. He could be like other WWE superstars, who when presented with a crap storyline decide to just go home, but I respect that he has enough respect for the fans to gut out this bad angle, do the best he can with a bad situation, and move forward into the summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 9:12:44 GMT -5
And when it comes to swallowing the bitter pill and being a company man when it comes to crummy storylines, I'm happy that Bryan is gutting it out and sticking with it, because like us, he knows it'll be all over soon. For almost ten years John Cena has been gutting through crummy storylines and there's no end in sight.
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Post by BRV on May 7, 2014 9:48:58 GMT -5
And when it comes to swallowing the bitter pill and being a company man when it comes to crummy storylines, I'm happy that Bryan is gutting it out and sticking with it, because like us, he knows it'll be all over soon. For almost ten years John Cena has been gutting through crummy storylines and there's no end in sight. That's because there has been absolutely no evolution in John Cena's character for the better part of a decade. Every angle with him is "Some of ya'll like me, some of ya'll don't, but I've never backed down from a fight!" whether it's a feud with Edge, Umaga, Big Show, JBL, Chris Jericho, Batista, Nexus, Randy Orton, The Miz, R-Truth, Kane, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Daniel Bryan, or Bray Wyatt. He gets stuck in garbage angles because his character only knows one speed.
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Post by hossfan on May 7, 2014 10:02:22 GMT -5
The reason Foley's wrong in his analogy is because Daniel Bryan isn't playing the part of Zack Ryder in this Kane feud, he's playing Cena. People forget when Kane first started the "Embrace the Hate" stuff he was beating Cena's ass and smothering him like a prom night newborn. If anyone has a complaint its Brie. She's the one being made to look ineffectual. Hopefully at some point she gets to kick Kane in the balls or do something to assert herself
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 11:33:47 GMT -5
For almost ten years John Cena has been gutting through crummy storylines and there's no end in sight. That's because there has been absolutely no evolution in John Cena's character for the better part of a decade. Every angle with him is "Some of ya'll like me, some of ya'll don't, but I've never backed down from a fight!" whether it's a feud with Edge, Umaga, Big Show, JBL, Chris Jericho, Batista, Nexus, Randy Orton, The Miz, R-Truth, Kane, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Daniel Bryan, or Bray Wyatt. He gets stuck in garbage angles because his character only knows one speed. Right, and I fear if Bryan follows Cena's example of just trying to make the best of the slop that creative comes up with instead of occasionally saying no then he will also get stuck in garbage angles.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 7, 2014 19:09:58 GMT -5
I just don't see the comparison. What killed Ryder was that every time he was on screen with Kane Kane kicked his ass. Whenever Bryan and Kane are on screen together Bryan is usually holding his own or even dominating Kane, usually only backing down when Kane goes after Brie. They're not even close to trying to portray Bryan as being out of Kane's league or anything like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 19:32:35 GMT -5
Foley has taken too much brain damage. Ryder sucked, that's why he didn't last.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 19:36:18 GMT -5
I cannot help but feel this is taking advantage of the fact they are aware Bryan will never complain about what he has to do creatively so they are gonna basically gonna sabotage him.
Even as the TOP FACE of the company he is being treated like a midcarder in a hoakey romance angle , I mean no other certified top face had to haul their wives around...so why does Bryan? this hurting him because he basically looks like a coward and an idiot having to always run away because he brought his wife to ringside.
I know someone will bring up Austin...but he was a heel , they never forced that relationship on him as a face. making him haul Debra around everywhere.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 7, 2014 19:41:07 GMT -5
I cannot help but feel this is taking advantage of the fact they are aware Bryan will never complain about what he has to do creatively so they are gonna basically gonna sabotage him. Even as the TOP FACE of the company he is being treated like a midcarder in a hoakey romance angle , I mean no other certified top face had to haul their wives around...so why does Bryan? this hurting him because he basically looks like a coward and an idiot having to always run away because he brought his wife to ringside. I know someone will bring up Austin...but he was a heel , they never forced that relationship on him as a face. making him haul Debra around everywhere. How many main eventers were married to WWE female personalities during their runs as top face? You mentioned Austin but he didn't start seeing Debra until after his run started winding down. Otherwise, I don't know, Randy Savage is all I can think of? Are you gonna claim Ms. Elizabeth killed his momentum?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 19:51:03 GMT -5
I cannot help but feel this is taking advantage of the fact they are aware Bryan will never complain about what he has to do creatively so they are gonna basically gonna sabotage him. Even as the TOP FACE of the company he is being treated like a midcarder in a hoakey romance angle , I mean no other certified top face had to haul their wives around...so why does Bryan? this hurting him because he basically looks like a coward and an idiot having to always run away because he brought his wife to ringside. I know someone will bring up Austin...but he was a heel , they never forced that relationship on him as a face. making him haul Debra around everywhere. How many main eventers were married to WWE female personalities during their runs as top face? You mentioned Austin but he didn't start seeing Debra until after his run started winding down. Otherwise, I don't know, Randy Savage is all I can think of? Are you gonna claim Ms. Elizabeth killed his momentum? Takers marriage to Michelle McCool I know she isn't around anymore but Brock lesnar being married to Sable he isn't being forced to drag her around. And I know he isn't married to her but Cena isn't forced to drag Nikki everywhere with him. So why force Bryans relationship on screen? it is just burdening him and is doing more harm than good.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 7, 2014 19:56:04 GMT -5
How many main eventers were married to WWE female personalities during their runs as top face? You mentioned Austin but he didn't start seeing Debra until after his run started winding down. Otherwise, I don't know, Randy Savage is all I can think of? Are you gonna claim Ms. Elizabeth killed his momentum? Takers marriage to Michelle McCool I know she isn't around anymore but Brock lesnar being married to Sable he isn't being forced to drag her around. And I know he isn't married to her but Cena isn't forced to drag Nikki everywhere with him. So why force Bryans relationship on screen? it is just burdening him and is doing more harm than good. Taker married McCool after he started his "two matches a year" schedule. Sable is not a current WWE personality. And as you said, Cena and Nikki aren't married. I'm not saying you don't have something of a point, I'm just saying the comparison you're making isn't there.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 20:02:21 GMT -5
Takers marriage to Michelle McCool I know she isn't around anymore but Brock lesnar being married to Sable he isn't being forced to drag her around. And I know he isn't married to her but Cena isn't forced to drag Nikki everywhere with him. So why force Bryans relationship on screen? it is just burdening him and is doing more harm than good. Taker married McCool after he started his "two matches a year" schedule. Sable is not a current WWE personality. And as you said, Cena and Nikki aren't married. I'm not saying you don't have something of a point, I'm just saying the comparison you're making isn't there. Maybe, for some reason, Bryan enjoys having his wife with him.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 7, 2014 20:04:08 GMT -5
Brie isn't necessary, but I think that they are trying to use her as a reason to explain Bryan's fear of kane
Brie acting skills aside, I think that is a good idea to explain bryan fear of kane, since like anybody else has said, everytime that Brie isn't there, Bryan inmediately tries to kick Kane's ass.
Still, besides the obvious relation between Ryder changing the tires and Bryan fixing the engine, both feuds are not similar in any kind of way. If Bryas was booked as a Chump who under no circumstances could beat Kane and who needs to help of a better wrestler like Cena, then the comparissions will be fair
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 8, 2014 19:32:29 GMT -5
Foley is right. Ever since db won the title, he's had a joke reign that's been saddled with this campy horror crap with a character he's beaten a million times in the past couple of months, instead of getting him a credible challenger or rival. It has been, for all intents and purposes, a two week reign. Isn't a little too early to jump on the "buried" bandwagon? Never said he was buried, more like made to look like a goof in a crappy storyline.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 8, 2014 19:38:49 GMT -5
I won't go into how much sense I think it made for Bryan to get Brie out of there as soon as possible as opposed to fighting Kane with his wife in the vicinity and thus still in danger, I think others put it better than I could.
I guess it depends on whether or not you feel Bryan's in a "fragile position" as champion right now. And he's really not. Everything that happened at Mania and especially the Hogan rub afterwards solidified him way too much with fans for awkward Kane booking to effect his momentum now. Whether or not you enjoy it is a different story (I loved it myself), but as far as his image? It's fine.
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