BrianZane
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Post by BrianZane on May 6, 2014 10:54:38 GMT -5
Kane shenanigans - Check. Kane-anigans!
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Post by g1megatronfan on May 6, 2014 12:33:14 GMT -5
They need to give up on the Kane character. It ended several years ago in terms of what they're going for here. Do they really believe fans are so absent minded that they'll forget that these two were having hug fests less than a year ago?
They need to retire the Kane character for good. Maybe this feud is Kane's swan song...hopefully it is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 6, 2014 12:40:45 GMT -5
They need to give up on the Kane character. It ended several years ago in terms of what they're going for here. Do they really believe fans are so absent minded that they'll forget that these two were having hug fests less than a year ago? They need to retire the Kane character for good. Maybe this feud is Kane's swan song...hopefully it is. Kane being the monster is pretty much what made those comedy phases what they were. The entire joke is that this guy who eviscerates people for lolz is acting like a jackass.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on May 6, 2014 12:45:11 GMT -5
Man, do you guys hate it when people in the industry have opinions.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 6, 2014 13:30:20 GMT -5
Foley is right again.
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Post by Lancers on May 6, 2014 13:40:34 GMT -5
Man, do you guys hate it when people in the industry have opinions. Yeah, I'm genuinely confused by some of the reactions here. How is Foley having an opinion any different than any of us jackasses expressing ourselves regarding anything wrestling or even non-wrestling related?
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 6, 2014 13:52:26 GMT -5
Except Bryan has been constantly buried since he came back in 2010. Fired for choking the ring announcer with a necktie. Mocked by on-air talent after he won an award from PETA. Humiliated at his first Wrestlemania by being squashed in 18 seconds. Put into a comedic tag team with Kane. Finally gets a main event and the WWE title before losing it via briefcase screwjob and winds up getting screwed in subsequent PPVs. He is then put in a program with the Wyatts where he actually joins them! But through it all, he has survived. Nothing has seemed to stick to this guy at all! All that matters is if he keeps the title and there is no way that a guy who has already made plans for his post-wrestling life (running an insurance agency along with politics and lectures on Viennese economics) is getting the WWE title.
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Post by Error on May 6, 2014 14:04:13 GMT -5
Man, do you guys hate it when people in the industry have opinions. To me, I don't care about people having opinions, I just don't take Mick Foley seriously anymore. He has become a walking YouTube comment with the benefit of having been a wrestler. Hell, he's pissy about the announcers not putting him over when Barrett hits the Nestea Plunge, then gets even madder when he trends on Twitter and they don't acknowledge that. To me he is just a nicer version of Superstar Billy Graham, have him under contract and he is the most loyal soldier you have, if not he is your most fierce critic.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 14:11:15 GMT -5
Man, do you guys hate it when people in the industry have opinions. To me, I don't care about people having opinions, I just don't take Mick Foley seriously anymore. He has become a walking YouTube comment with the benefit of having been a wrestler. Hell, he's pissy about the announcers not putting him over when Barrett hits the Nestea Plunge, then gets even madder when he trends on Twitter and they don't acknowledge that. To me he is just a nicer version of Superstar Billy Graham, have him under contract and he is the most loyal soldier you have, if not he is your most fierce critic. But why would you not take him seriously. It's not like Mick's comments are over the top youtube dribble. He articulates his points pretty well, especially for someone who has taken a number of knocks to the head over the years. And no actually, he's not this loyal soldier, he's always been critical of them when it calls for it to happen. I don't think he signed a legend's deal other, potential due to money issues. I don't think I'm seeing this Mick Foley you're seeing.
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Post by Error on May 6, 2014 14:21:24 GMT -5
To me, I don't care about people having opinions, I just don't take Mick Foley seriously anymore. He has become a walking YouTube comment with the benefit of having been a wrestler. Hell, he's pissy about the announcers not putting him over when Barrett hits the Nestea Plunge, then gets even madder when he trends on Twitter and they don't acknowledge that. To me he is just a nicer version of Superstar Billy Graham, have him under contract and he is the most loyal soldier you have, if not he is your most fierce critic. But why would you not take him seriously. It's not like Mick's comments are over the top youtube dribble. He articulates his points pretty well, especially for someone who has taken a number of knocks to the head over the years. And no actually, he's not this loyal soldier, he's always been critical of them when it calls for it to happen. I don't think he signed a legend's deal other, potential due to money issues. I don't think I'm seeing this Mick Foley you're seeing. I see a guy that when he has a deal with someone, sings their praises to the high heavens and refuses to hear any criticism of whomever is paying him, when he doesn't (Like now) he cannot criticise them enough. I don't care how how well he speaks/writes, he is a joke to me. I watched him badmouth WWE, come crawling back, talk negative about TNA then crawl there, leave TNA and repeat about how he hated it, then crawl back to WWE while talking great about them and now that he's left (or is leaving them again) badmouth them again. All Mick Foley wants is money and if you pay him enough he'll say and do whatever you want until you don't pay him anymore. That is why I don't put stock in anything he says.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 14:28:29 GMT -5
But why would you not take him seriously. It's not like Mick's comments are over the top youtube dribble. He articulates his points pretty well, especially for someone who has taken a number of knocks to the head over the years. And no actually, he's not this loyal soldier, he's always been critical of them when it calls for it to happen. I don't think he signed a legend's deal other, potential due to money issues. I don't think I'm seeing this Mick Foley you're seeing. I see a guy that when he has a deal with someone, sings their praises to the high heavens and refuses to hear any criticism of whomever is paying him, when he doesn't (Like now) he cannot criticise them enough. I don't care how how well he speaks/writes, he is a joke to me. I watched him badmouth WWE, come crawling back, talk negative about TNA then crawl there, leave TNA and repeat about how he hated it, then crawl back to WWE while talking great about them and now that he's left (or is leaving them again) badmouth them again. All Mick Foley wants is money and if you pay him enough he'll say and do whatever you want until you don't pay him anymore. That is why I don't put stock in anything he says. Well, your opinion just happens to be unfounded. He badmouthed WWE, like, when he was under contract. This started all the way back in 2001 when there were issues with him then. Then there was the Katie Vick incident, I don't think he was part of the company then. He was apart of TNA and actually got in some hot water for lightly making fun of them. Like, he talked about TNA and about how great the talent was, and had issues with management, and like, is that a stretch for him or anybody to say? I think you're just completely mistaken on everything. Plus, it's pretty well known about Foley having a decent amount of integrity. I maybe wrong, but I do believe he went on the Royal Rumble rant while he was still technically under contract. His criticisms are also usually valid, he never has any ill will when he says things, like, oh, f*** this company, this is stupid. He attempts to articulate his points and be reasonable. I think you're seeing a completely fictional character that you made up yourself. I don't even think we're talking about the same person.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 6, 2014 14:42:22 GMT -5
What are the odds that they follow up this silly ass "sports entertainment" Kane feud with a "shocking heel turn" Big Show feud? I'd say it's about damn time. Actually this is a match I'd like to see. Big Show is simply too tall to hit the knee, he'd have to work around show scientifically, knock his knees out from under him and hit him with the knee as he was getting up. Not sure I'd want it to main event a PPV though.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 14:45:55 GMT -5
I'm gonna make this its own post. I decided to look more into him criticizing WWE while under contract. slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Reviews/2008/03/08/4948226.htmlThis site talks about the Hardcore Diaries, and his criticisms of Vince McMahon, in particular, the "Dr. Heiny sketch". Mick had left WWE in 2008, and this came out in 2007. So, I'm trying to find more sources, I'm not the most interesting in reading, I'll be honest with that, but that right there kind of kills the point of Mick only following the money. And I think that's my big take away. There are a lot of wrestlers who can just be commenting and people will say, oh, he's bitter, and while I"m not a fan of that line of reasoning, maybe some of them are. But Mick doesn't seem that way. He seems like a fan, who has the same problems with the product that others have. He also though happens to have some experience to back up his opinions, which is something none of us have.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 6, 2014 15:19:45 GMT -5
Foley posted this on his Facebook about signing for a Legend's deal:
“To deal..or not to deal – that is the question. As some of you may have heard, at this point, I am opting not to sign my Legends Marketing Deal, which gives "WWE" The right to market my likeness on video games and action figures. I’ll be writing in more detail about this in the next week or so, but it would be fair to say that, despite strong sales, I have found the payoffs for the past two video games to be extremely weak – in the 25% range of what most talent was expecting.
Last year, the explanation had something to do with the video game company going bankrupt – a real shame for me, since I was heavily featured as three characters from the “Attitude” era, complete with voice work. I haven’t heard this year’s explanation yet, but, personally. I think the #WWE just wants to see if the talent will accept a far lower percentage than had previously been given. If so, it would probably be a good business move for #WWE, since very few current wrestlers are going to jeopardize their standing with the company by offering resistance – and most legends will probably come to feel like anything they get from merchandise is better than nothing.
As for me: until I hear a valid reason, I’m opting out.”
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 6, 2014 15:21:36 GMT -5
I see a guy that when he has a deal with someone, sings their praises to the high heavens and refuses to hear any criticism of whomever is paying him, when he doesn't (Like now) he cannot criticise them enough. I don't care how how well he speaks/writes, he is a joke to me. I watched him badmouth WWE, come crawling back, talk negative about TNA then crawl there, leave TNA and repeat about how he hated it, then crawl back to WWE while talking great about them and now that he's left (or is leaving them again) badmouth them again. All Mick Foley wants is money and if you pay him enough he'll say and do whatever you want until you don't pay him anymore. That is why I don't put stock in anything he says. Well, your opinion just happens to be unfounded. He badmouthed WWE, like, when he was under contract. This started all the way back in 2001 when there were issues with him then. Then there was the Katie Vick incident, I don't think he was part of the company then. He was apart of TNA and actually got in some hot water for lightly making fun of them. Like, he talked about TNA and about how great the talent was, and had issues with management, and like, is that a stretch for him or anybody to say? I think you're just completely mistaken on everything. Plus, it's pretty well known about Foley having a decent amount of integrity. I maybe wrong, but I do believe he went on the Royal Rumble rant while he was still technically under contract. His criticisms are also usually valid, he never has any ill will when he says things, like, oh, f*** this company, this is stupid. He attempts to articulate his points and be reasonable. I think you're seeing a completely fictional character that you made up yourself. I don't even think we're talking about the same person. No, Ric is right about Mick. He got mad at TNA for not promoting that he was on the Daily Show and later the Stewart/Colbert Peace/War Rally in DC. Mick loves seeing and hearing his name mentioned and gets pissed when he feels slighted. Foley left WWE when he thought they wasn't using him as he wanted. He left TNA for the same thing. Now Mick isn't at Flair or Superstar Graham levels of shameless whoring but he's isn't the patron saint we think he is. He's a fan. And just like fans, he's not above criticisms from other fans regardless of his acclaim. We regularly criticize Vince McMahon and he in the biz for decades.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 15:43:17 GMT -5
Well, your opinion just happens to be unfounded. He badmouthed WWE, like, when he was under contract. This started all the way back in 2001 when there were issues with him then. Then there was the Katie Vick incident, I don't think he was part of the company then. He was apart of TNA and actually got in some hot water for lightly making fun of them. Like, he talked about TNA and about how great the talent was, and had issues with management, and like, is that a stretch for him or anybody to say? I think you're just completely mistaken on everything. Plus, it's pretty well known about Foley having a decent amount of integrity. I maybe wrong, but I do believe he went on the Royal Rumble rant while he was still technically under contract. His criticisms are also usually valid, he never has any ill will when he says things, like, oh, f*** this company, this is stupid. He attempts to articulate his points and be reasonable. I think you're seeing a completely fictional character that you made up yourself. I don't even think we're talking about the same person. No, Ric is right about Mick. He got mad at TNA for not promoting that he was on the Daily Show and later the Stewart/Colbert Peace/War Rally in DC. Mick loves seeing and hearing his name mentioned and gets pissed when he feels slighted. Foley left WWE when he thought they wasn't using him as he wanted. He left TNA for the same thing. Now Mick isn't at Flair or Superstar Graham levels of shameless whoring but he's isn't the patron saint we think he is. He's a fan. And just like fans, he's not above criticisms from other fans regardless of his acclaim. We regularly criticize Vince McMahon and he in the biz for decades. I'd be mad too if I wanted to be in a successful company, and they were dumb enough not to promote me for a show that's actually very popular. And yeah, I kinda feel that Mick is what CM Punk and others should be, standing up for himself when people do dumb things. I brought that up with Sheamus too. And no, he's not above criticism, but his critiques are still valid. Even if he was just a money grubbing baby, that still doesn't make his current points, or any other ones he makes any less valid. Points, critiques and statements should be validated on their content, not whether or not he's in good with a company, hates it or not. If his points are shit, then they'll easily be dismantled by themselves. These are just ad-hominim attacks. He's right, but I don't like the way he says things or does things, so f*** him. He wanted Daniel Bryan to say no to bullshit, just like him and other top guys.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 6, 2014 15:50:27 GMT -5
No, Ric is right about Mick. He got mad at TNA for not promoting that he was on the Daily Show and later the Stewart/Colbert Peace/War Rally in DC. Mick loves seeing and hearing his name mentioned and gets pissed when he feels slighted. Foley left WWE when he thought they wasn't using him as he wanted. He left TNA for the same thing. Now Mick isn't at Flair or Superstar Graham levels of shameless whoring but he's isn't the patron saint we think he is. He's a fan. And just like fans, he's not above criticisms from other fans regardless of his acclaim. We regularly criticize Vince McMahon and he in the biz for decades. I'd be mad too if I wanted to be in a successful company, and they were dumb enough not to promote me for a show that's actually very popular. And yeah, I kinda feel that Mick is what CM Punk and others should be, standing up for himself when people do dumb things. I brought that up with Sheamus too. And no, he's not above criticism, but his critiques are still valid. Even if he was just a money grubbing baby, that still doesn't make his current points, or any other ones he makes any less valid. Points, critiques and statements should be validated on their content, not whether or not he's in good with a company. He wanted Daniel Bryan to say no to bullshit, just like him and other top guys. He may want Bryan to do it but Bryan doesn't. Just because other top guys acted a certain way means Bryan got to follow suit. Dude is the most humblest and chill guy in the business not named Drake Younger. Not everyone wants to play the game and politic their position on the card. He's not the type to take his ball and go home like the other top guys done at various points.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 21:13:08 GMT -5
Man, do you guys hate it when people in the industry have opinions. To me, I don't care about people having opinions, I just don't take Mick Foley seriously anymore. He has become a walking YouTube comment with the benefit of having been a wrestler. Hell, he's pissy about the announcers not putting him over when Barrett hits the Nestea Plunge, then gets even madder when he trends on Twitter and they don't acknowledge that. To me he is just a nicer version of Superstar Billy Graham, have him under contract and he is the most loyal soldier you have, if not he is your most fierce critic. What he said about Bryan needing to learn to protect his character better is true, though. And I suspect we'll hear the same thing from both Austin and Ross this week on their podcasts, or anyone else with actual credibility in the industry.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 21:24:18 GMT -5
Except Bryan has been constantly buried since he came back in 2010. Fired for choking the ring announcer with a necktie. Mocked by on-air talent after he won an award from PETA. Humiliated at his first Wrestlemania by being squashed in 18 seconds. Put into a comedic tag team with Kane. Finally gets a main event and the WWE title before losing it via briefcase screwjob and winds up getting screwed in subsequent PPVs. He is then put in a program with the Wyatts where he actually joins them! But through it all, he has survived. Nothing has seemed to stick to this guy at all! All that matters is if he keeps the title and there is no way that a guy who has already made plans for his post-wrestling life (running an insurance agency along with politics and lectures on Viennese economics) is getting the WWE title. Bryan has been the opposite of buried damn near his entire time in WWE.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 6, 2014 21:26:05 GMT -5
Except Bryan has been constantly buried since he came back in 2010. Fired for choking the ring announcer with a necktie. Mocked by on-air talent after he won an award from PETA. Humiliated at his first Wrestlemania by being squashed in 18 seconds. Put into a comedic tag team with Kane. Finally gets a main event and the WWE title before losing it via briefcase screwjob and winds up getting screwed in subsequent PPVs. He is then put in a program with the Wyatts where he actually joins them! But through it all, he has survived. Nothing has seemed to stick to this guy at all! All that matters is if he keeps the title and there is no way that a guy who has already made plans for his post-wrestling life (running an insurance agency along with politics and lectures on Viennese economics) is getting the WWE title. Bryan has been the opposite of buried damn near his entire time in WWE. Bryan has been steadily pushed and featured since day one, I'll be the first to say that, but WWE have gone out of their way to undermine him ever since.
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