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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 6, 2014 8:51:13 GMT -5
says the guy who made a good part of his career on putting a dirty sock on his hand. That was like a year of his full time career maximum, and it was over as f***. That's like Hogan making a legitimate point and saying 'says the guy who spent his career tearing pre-torn shirts.'
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Post by Red Impact on May 6, 2014 8:52:38 GMT -5
I won't like, I watched very little of Raw, what I did watch was that segment, and Ryder was the first thing I thought of.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 8:53:20 GMT -5
says the guy who made a good part of his career on putting a dirty sock on his hand. That was like a year of his full time career maximum, and it was over as f***. That's like Hogan making a legitimate point and saying 'says the guy who spent his career tearing pre-torn shirts.' Yeah, I was basically saying that sometimes its the wackiest, dumbest sounding ideas that turn out to be the most unexpectedly successful. So you really can't blame Bryan for NOT turning down an idea that may sound stupid at face value.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 6, 2014 8:55:56 GMT -5
That was like a year of his full time career maximum, and it was over as f***. That's like Hogan making a legitimate point and saying 'says the guy who spent his career tearing pre-torn shirts.' Yeah, I was basically saying that sometimes its the wackiest, dumbest sounding ideas that turn out to be the most unexpectedly successful. So you really can't blame Bryan for NOT turning down an idea that may sound stupid at face value. Apologies, I totally misunderstood what you meant.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 8:57:18 GMT -5
That was like a year of his full time career maximum, and it was over as f***. That's like Hogan making a legitimate point and saying 'says the guy who spent his career tearing pre-torn shirts.' Yeah, I was basically saying that sometimes its the wackiest, dumbest sounding ideas that turn out to be the most unexpectedly successful. So you really can't blame Bryan for NOT turning down an idea that may sound stupid at face value. But Mankind wouldn't have run away or did what Bryan did, with or without the sock. Besides, I remember how the whole angle went down. He was still crazy, sadistic Mankind. I remember this one interview where he was talking as Mr. Socko and he was saying, no, don't pull me off, so he did, to reveal the mandible claw.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 8:58:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I was basically saying that sometimes its the wackiest, dumbest sounding ideas that turn out to be the most unexpectedly successful. So you really can't blame Bryan for NOT turning down an idea that may sound stupid at face value. But Mankind wouldn't have run away or did what Bryan did, with or without the sock. Besides, I remember how the whole angle went down. He was still crazy, sadistic Mankind. I remember this one interview where he was talking as Mr. Socko and he was saying, no, don't pull me off, so he did, to reveal the mandible claw. "Don't pull me off..." heh! Anyway, I think if Mankind had his wife in tow, he'd probably run away too. The whole point of having that Bella on screen is to give Bryan a reason to run away I think.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 6, 2014 8:59:26 GMT -5
I've read the whole thread 3 times. So there are 14 clones of Ryder and Ryder makes 15 attacking Bryan?
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 9:03:56 GMT -5
But Mankind wouldn't have run away or did what Bryan did, with or without the sock. Besides, I remember how the whole angle went down. He was still crazy, sadistic Mankind. I remember this one interview where he was talking as Mr. Socko and he was saying, no, don't pull me off, so he did, to reveal the mandible claw. "Don't pull me off..." heh! Anyway, I think if Mankind had his wife in tow, he'd probably run away too. The whole point of having that Bella on screen is to give Bryan a reason to run away I think. Then dump Brie from the angle. Or don't stay in the locker room when asked by the authority, especially if you think she's full of shit to begin with. He was a coward tonight.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 6, 2014 9:05:45 GMT -5
How would people feel if he tried to run Kane over (i.e. attempted murder)? Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 9:07:41 GMT -5
"Don't pull me off..." heh! Anyway, I think if Mankind had his wife in tow, he'd probably run away too. The whole point of having that Bella on screen is to give Bryan a reason to run away I think. Then dump Brie from the angle. Or don't stay in the locker room when asked by the authority, especially if you think she's full of shit to begin with. He was a coward tonight. Look man, you've never been in love. Women are helpless, defenseless, skittering, screaming, irrational child-like waifs who need a man to protect them and drive their cars for them. In short, I agree but I found Brie's portrayal of a female athlete a million times more cowardly and offensive than Bryan's as a protective husband.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on May 6, 2014 9:09:21 GMT -5
What are the odds that they follow up this silly ass "sports entertainment" Kane feud with a "shocking heel turn" Big Show feud?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 6, 2014 9:14:11 GMT -5
I'm listening to Review a Raw and one thing they've been bringing up recently is comparing EY's run to Bryan's run. Right now, the rip off of Daniel Bryan is booked 10 times better. Eric Young won't run away from any monsters, he'll fight them, and not only will he fight them, he'll fight them in their type of match. And not only that, but the Champion's wife would be willing to fight the monster. If I was TNA and I was like, look, we are rip offs, if we're gonna do it, when ODB is threatened, she fights back and doesn't scream in horror. The thing about that is, I'm almost certain that TNA are only doing that to give him the credibility that he barely even had before winning the thing. It's great that he's getting booked strong, because he's a good guy that earned his chance for holding down the fort there for a long time... but that's just how it comes across to me as someone who only follows TNA through here. That angle last night was the worst thing that could happen to Bryan. Bryan should have said no to the angle, flat out. Is Bryan just too nice a guy to carry the company? I mean, from all indications from the news sites, he doesn't play politics, he doesn't throw his weight around, nobody has a bad word to say about him, he barely talks himself up and he's willing to do any angle that's thrown at him, maliciously minded or not. He's a guy with his dream job and a loving wife, and he just happens to hold the top prize in professional wrestling, and he's fine with that... But wrestling is not really a business for nice guys most of the time.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 6, 2014 9:20:38 GMT -5
Foley is right. Ever since db won the title, he's had a joke reign that's been saddled with this campy horror crap with a character he's beaten a million times in the past couple of months, instead of getting him a credible challenger or rival. It has been, for all intents and purposes, a two week reign. Isn't a little too early to jump on the "buried" bandwagon?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 6, 2014 9:23:16 GMT -5
Bryan should have said no to the angle, flat out. Is Bryan just too nice a guy to carry the company? I mean, from all indications from the news sites, he doesn't play politics, he doesn't throw his weight around, nobody has a bad word to say about him, he barely talks himself up and he's willing to do any angle that's thrown at him, maliciously minded or not. He's a guy with his dream job and a loving wife, and he just happens to hold the top prize in professional wrestling, and he's fine with that... But wrestling is not really a business for nice guys most of the time.Okay, people keep saying stuff like this, but... is there ANY evidence for it? Besides for some reason inventing an excuse to not blame the bookers for bad booking, is there any real reason to go around proclaiming that you have to play awful politics if you want to succeed? Because... lots of people haven't been really known for that, and they've done just fine.
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Post by Sparkybob on May 6, 2014 9:32:49 GMT -5
I don't see how you can compare Bryan and EY 's booking so far at all. Reason being is that Bryan already has all the in ring credibility in the world. Does him beating Orton clean again need to happen to convince the fans to take Bryan seriously? Nope. Bryan has beaten Cena/Orton/Batista/HHH/The Shield during his run. Fans already know he's one of the best in the world so unlike EY, you don't have to run matches to convince the fans.
EY has to be booked strong because he needs actual wins and beating Magnus means jack with the way he's been booked.
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Post by Crimson on May 6, 2014 9:35:36 GMT -5
... I wonder if anyone HAS shipped Kane and Lana yet... Rusev... Kane... F***! Look into your heart, you know it's going to happen.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 6, 2014 10:01:53 GMT -5
What are the odds that they follow up this silly ass "sports entertainment" Kane feud with a "shocking heel turn" Big Show feud? I'd say it's about damn time.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 6, 2014 10:07:33 GMT -5
I don't see how you can compare Bryan and EY 's booking so far at all. Reason being is that Bryan already has all the in ring credibility in the world. Does him beating Orton clean again need to happen to convince the fans to take Bryan seriously? Nope. Bryan has beaten Cena/Orton/Batista/HHH/The Shield during his run. Fans already know he's one of the best in the world so unlike EY, you don't have to run matches to convince the fans. EY has to be booked strong because he needs actual wins and beating Magnus means jack with the way he's been booked. Methinks the people who are saying EY's title reign is better booked than Bryan's aren't regularly viewers of TNA and understand the reasons why they are booking him as they are. EY is basically Santino with less credibility & worst win/loss record for the past 2 years and TNA is booking him doing a title match every week to try to fix that problem. The problem with that is few are buying into because most think he's just a transitional champion and TNA's roster is smaller than NXT so he'll eventual face everyone within a couple of months. That's if he survives long enough. Bryan already had cred before he went into the main event picture. He came out with even more after he won the WWE World title. Bryan facing all challengers every week will get old especially with the ADHD crowd that frequents the internet nowadays. Now, I'm not a fan of Bryan going full horror movie trope in this feud with Kane but that what happens when someone feuds with him. Bryan does have the ability to turn chickenshit into a chicken cordon bleu when it comes to angles or losses that would kill the momentum of lesser wrestlers. Going by internet rumors, Batista was suppose to be the next challenger but plans got changed. So Kane gets the nod since all of the other main event heels are still continuing their programs from last month. Cesaro or Barrett would been a different yet better choice than another round with Kane but they are getting rebuilt. Tossing them to the sacrificial alter so soon will undo the work spent building them up. I'm just not doom and gloom yet. But I'm learning that Foley becomes Super Smark when it comes to all thing Daniel Bryan. I await his debut as a Youtube shooter and podcaster.
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Post by hossfan on May 6, 2014 10:25:47 GMT -5
Yeah, they're using Kane the way they always do; to plug a gap. They know he's over and as credible as any other potential heel challenger. I see Cesaro and Barrett get mentioned as substitutes. Would anyone be shocked if there had been a match during the build where Kane beat one guy or the other? Or the faces they've been feuding with along the way? People keep saying that Kane's got no chance of beating Bryan and becoming champion but the fact is no one does right now. WWE isn't going to have DB lose the title two months into his reign, not after everything they went through to get to this point. And casual fans who don't think like armchair bookers will see Kane as a threat because he's a big masked psychopath, win-loss record be damned. So really, the feud isn't about "Will Bryan lose the belt?" its more about "What are these two going to do to each other leading up to and during their match?"
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 10:45:41 GMT -5
I'm listening to Review a Raw and one thing they've been bringing up recently is comparing EY's run to Bryan's run. Right now, the rip off of Daniel Bryan is booked 10 times better. Eric Young won't run away from any monsters, he'll fight them, and not only will he fight them, he'll fight them in their type of match. And not only that, but the Champion's wife would be willing to fight the monster. If I was TNA and I was like, look, we are rip offs, if we're gonna do it, when ODB is threatened, she fights back and doesn't scream in horror. The thing about that is, I'm almost certain that TNA are only doing that to give him the credibility that he barely even had before winning the thing. It's great that he's getting booked strong, because he's a good guy that earned his chance for holding down the fort there for a long time... but that's just how it comes across to me as someone who only follows TNA through here. That angle last night was the worst thing that could happen to Bryan. Bryan should have said no to the angle, flat out. Is Bryan just too nice a guy to carry the company? I mean, from all indications from the news sites, he doesn't play politics, he doesn't throw his weight around, nobody has a bad word to say about him, he barely talks himself up and he's willing to do any angle that's thrown at him, maliciously minded or not. He's a guy with his dream job and a loving wife, and he just happens to hold the top prize in professional wrestling, and he's fine with that... But wrestling is not really a business for nice guys most of the time. He didn't have that much credibility before. He started getting serious, and certainly could have been a stronger champion if say, he won more matches and maybe the Bound for Glory series. EY lost his two prior matches before winning the title. But, that being said, he doesn't back down from anybody. TNA has been doing a lot of ripping off of WWE, and one comparison is easily made between Kane and Abyss. Abyss threatens him, and EY says, you want to fight me, then go ahead, and not only will you fight me, we're gonna fight in your kind of match. And I think it might be the case that Bryan could be too nice of a guy. A good example of someone who should have said no to some of the stuff given to him was Sheamus. They had him say he was "Sheamus Lipschitz", he lost to Hornswoggle in a battle royal and despite being one of the better wrestlers on the roster, he's really been given a lot of bad material. CM Punk apparently was a pain in the ass, but when he got more confident and more secure in his spot, he said no to stuff. Even before that, like, on his DVD, he was going to be working Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania for the US Title. He didn't want to do it, simply because it was for the US Title and of course, went on to feud with Bryan over the WWE Title (granted there was some rough stuff with AJ during that). But Punk I think now, if he ever comes back to WWE, has thrown himself into that upper tier and will stay there forever, where as there's potential for Bryan to be pushed back down the card because of this. He could be another Sheamus and be fighting for the US Title soon. One positive from this is, the fans love him so much, that they could have him do the worst stuff imaginable, and he'll still get good reactions, despite being brutally neutered. But yeah, if Daniel Bryan was like, oh yeah, you're gonna f*** with me and my wife, then a strong talent would have taken the wrench to his head, and when he sat up, you take the wrench to his head again. Or he's on the car, you're gonna f*** with me and my wife, run the guy over. Now, you probably can't do stuff like that, but at least try something where if Kane is coming, Brie, stay with me, we're not leaving until he shows up, and I'm gonna f*** him up. That's what Eric Young would do. And you know what? That's what Steve Austin, Triple H, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, John Cena and any other top baby face would do.
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