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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 21:28:10 GMT -5
Bryan has been the opposite of buried damn near his entire time in WWE. Bryan has been steadily pushed and featured since day one, I'll be the first to say that, but WWE have gone out of their way to undermine him ever since. So has he been pushed or undermined since day one, it's kind of hard to do both.
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Post by Error on May 6, 2014 21:30:47 GMT -5
To me, I don't care about people having opinions, I just don't take Mick Foley seriously anymore. He has become a walking YouTube comment with the benefit of having been a wrestler. Hell, he's pissy about the announcers not putting him over when Barrett hits the Nestea Plunge, then gets even madder when he trends on Twitter and they don't acknowledge that. To me he is just a nicer version of Superstar Billy Graham, have him under contract and he is the most loyal soldier you have, if not he is your most fierce critic. What he said about Bryan needing to learn to protect his character better is true, though. And I suspect we'll hear the same thing from both Austin and Ross this week on their podcasts, or anyone else with actual credibility in the industry. I feel the same about Ross as I do about Foley but that is another story. I don't deny that anyone in wrestling needs to protect their character and I don't know what Bryan is like in the back to say he needs to speak up more, but the idea that Daniel Bryan is all of a sudden Zack Ryder and near ruined is complete horseshit from a guy that is just looking to curry favor from those that live in fear of WWE. Daniel Bryan is not Zack Ryder, at no point did Ryder ever touch Bryan's level of connection with the crowd nor did he ever touch Bryan's ability. That hurt Ryder more than any booking ever could, so to say that he is going down the same path as Ryder shows that someone thinks very little of Bryan or pays no attention to shows. I won't deny that the story shares a lot of similarities but the leading man is completely different.
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Post by angryfan on May 6, 2014 21:38:59 GMT -5
What he said about Bryan needing to learn to protect his character better is true, though. And I suspect we'll hear the same thing from both Austin and Ross this week on their podcasts, or anyone else with actual credibility in the industry. I feel the same about Ross as I do about Foley but that is another story. I don't deny that anyone in wrestling needs to protect their character and I don't know what Bryan is like in the back to say he needs to speak up more, but the idea that Daniel Bryan is all of a sudden Zack Ryder and near ruined is complete horseshit from a guy that is just looking to curry favor from those that live in fear of WWE. Daniel Bryan is not Zack Ryder, at no point did Ryder ever touch Bryan's level of connection with the crowd nor did he ever touch Bryan's ability. That hurt Ryder more than any booking ever could, so to say that he is going down the same path as Ryder shows that someone thinks very little of Bryan or pays no attention to shows. I won't deny that the story shares a lot of similarities but the leading man is completely different. I have no horse in the who's right race, but isn't it just a two-way street? Foley and Ross, now that they're not under contract, are more willing to be critical. Vince and WWE are more than happy to be critical and at times down right mean spirited if they're not making money off of someone, like the whole 180 on Ultimate Warrior. Like I said, I'd rather see someone be like Austin has been (willing to be critical even if they're working for the company), but I can definitely see both sides.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 21:41:18 GMT -5
What he said about Bryan needing to learn to protect his character better is true, though. And I suspect we'll hear the same thing from both Austin and Ross this week on their podcasts, or anyone else with actual credibility in the industry. I feel the same about Ross as I do about Foley but that is another story. I don't deny that anyone in wrestling needs to protect their character and I don't know what Bryan is like in the back to say he needs to speak up more, but the idea that Daniel Bryan is all of a sudden Zack Ryder and near ruined is complete horseshit from a guy that is just looking to curry favor from those that live in fear of WWE. Daniel Bryan is not Zack Ryder, at no point did Ryder ever touch Bryan's level of connection with the crowd nor did he ever touch Bryan's ability. That hurt Ryder more than any booking ever could, so to say that he is going down the same path as Ryder shows that someone thinks very little of Bryan or pays no attention to shows. I won't deny that the story shares a lot of similarities but the leading man is completely different. I may be way off, but I didn't take the Zack Ryder comparison literally as to who that is who Foley thinks Bryan will become; so much as a World Champion should be savvy enough to know when angles will not benefit them, what is or is not right for your character, and to avoid garbage like the aforementioned Ryder skit. I saw it more as a warning to watch out for himself and to learn to say no sometimes. Something every top star in the same position has on occasion.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 6, 2014 21:45:25 GMT -5
Did he actually use the phrase the Ides of Ryder? Cuz that doesn't even make sense, and he should know better.
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Post by Error on May 6, 2014 21:48:42 GMT -5
I feel the same about Ross as I do about Foley but that is another story. I don't deny that anyone in wrestling needs to protect their character and I don't know what Bryan is like in the back to say he needs to speak up more, but the idea that Daniel Bryan is all of a sudden Zack Ryder and near ruined is complete horseshit from a guy that is just looking to curry favor from those that live in fear of WWE. Daniel Bryan is not Zack Ryder, at no point did Ryder ever touch Bryan's level of connection with the crowd nor did he ever touch Bryan's ability. That hurt Ryder more than any booking ever could, so to say that he is going down the same path as Ryder shows that someone thinks very little of Bryan or pays no attention to shows. I won't deny that the story shares a lot of similarities but the leading man is completely different. I have no horse in the who's right race, but isn't it just a two-way street? Foley and Ross, now that they're not under contract, are more willing to be critical. Vince and WWE are more than happy to be critical and at times down right mean spirited if they're not making money off of someone, like the whole 180 on Ultimate Warrior. Like I said, I'd rather see someone be like Austin has been (willing to be critical even if they're working for the company), but I can definitely see both sides. I can understand that, I just get the vibe from Foley that it is all about money and his opinions are driven by that and that alone. It stops me from taking him seriously. Everyone is driven by money to a degree but with Foley if he was on good terms with WWE, his whole shtick would be wait and see, WWE can make chicken salad out of chicken shit and so on. With him not on good terms, it is this bitter man we get now complaining about this and how announcers don't pay him any respect when Barrett drops the elbow. Ross his last 6 or so years in WWE and his blog has soured me on him greatly. I feel the same about Ross as I do about Foley but that is another story. I don't deny that anyone in wrestling needs to protect their character and I don't know what Bryan is like in the back to say he needs to speak up more, but the idea that Daniel Bryan is all of a sudden Zack Ryder and near ruined is complete horseshit from a guy that is just looking to curry favor from those that live in fear of WWE. Daniel Bryan is not Zack Ryder, at no point did Ryder ever touch Bryan's level of connection with the crowd nor did he ever touch Bryan's ability. That hurt Ryder more than any booking ever could, so to say that he is going down the same path as Ryder shows that someone thinks very little of Bryan or pays no attention to shows. I won't deny that the story shares a lot of similarities but the leading man is completely different. I may be way off, but I didn't take the Zack Ryder comparison literally as to who that is who Foley thinks Bryan will become; so much as a World Champion should be savvy enough to know when angles will not benefit them, what is or is not right for your character, and to avoid garbage like the aforementioned Ryder skit. I saw it more as a warning to watch out for himself and to learn to say no sometimes. Something every top star in the same position has on occasion. Completely fair, I'll admit I could be looking at his post the wrong way. Just after seeing so much of Bryan = Ryder and being ruined, all being thrown around off one night where none of that came across to me, that blog came across as more of Bryan = Ryder stuff to me.
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Post by Sparkybob on May 6, 2014 21:51:38 GMT -5
Maybe Bryan is the type of guy who is just happy to be in WWE and doesn't really analyze every angle he's put in and just wants to be on TV and wrestle. Of course I don't know this to be sure, but Bryan can just be the type of a guy who doesn't care about his position much so he won't make a fuss about his angles.
Just because guys like Rock/Taker etc will have 1 mindset as a top baby-face doesn't mean Bryan has to follow those traits. Heck Bryan could just be happy he's champion and not care about how good or bad his angles are.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 21:58:24 GMT -5
Maybe Bryan is the type of guy who is just happy to be in WWE and doesn't really analyze every angle he's put in and just wants to be on TV and wrestle. Of course I don't know this to be sure, but Bryan can just be the type of a guy who doesn't care about his position much so he won't make a fuss about his angles. Just because guys like Rock/Taker etc will have 1 mindset as a top baby-face doesn't mean Bryan has to follow those traits. Heck Bryan could just be happy he's champion and not care about how good or bad his angles are. Brie in an interview with Rosenberg basically said exactly that. "If he had his way, he'd just wrestle someone every night and never ever care about the TV stuff." And I guess I can respect that. But it doesn't lend well as a fan who wants to see him succeed beyond that. It's selfish, on my part, but it's hard to accept.
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Post by gangstalicious on May 6, 2014 21:59:25 GMT -5
The problem is this angle is involving his wife. I can't imagine Bryan objecting to his wife being involved in the main event angle, despite how much of an adverse effect it may have on him.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 6, 2014 22:34:40 GMT -5
Did he actually use the phrase the Ides of Ryder? Cuz that doesn't even make sense, and he should know better. No, that was just me (poorly?) editing a Shakespeare quote into context ("Beware the Ides Of March" was the warning given to Julius Caesar by a soothsayer before his assassination in the play Julius Caesar).
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 23:38:08 GMT -5
Did he actually use the phrase the Ides of Ryder? Cuz that doesn't even make sense, and he should know better. No, that was just me (poorly?) editing a Shakespeare quote into context ("Beware the Ides Of March" was the warning given to Julius Caesar by a soothsayer before his assassination in the play Julius Caesar). Beware the 15th of Ryder. Or Beware the Middle of Ryder.
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Post by wildojinx on May 6, 2014 23:41:51 GMT -5
To be fair, the same thing HAS happened to Foley. No, he didnt run away from Vader, but he was constantly made to look like the loser in that feud, never getting a single win. And then there was the whole lost in cleveland angle..
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Post by BigBadZ on May 7, 2014 0:39:52 GMT -5
This will all turn around next week on Raw when Bryan goes full badass on Kane. We had "See No Evil" horror plot and next week, Kane will abduct Brie. Steph will tell DB not to go looking for Kane and to let her and the Authority handle it. Bryan will then say "he has a hostage... it's my wife"
Of course after the ppv match, Kane and DB will hug it out to which Bryan will say to Kane "that better be your fanny pack"
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 7, 2014 1:22:08 GMT -5
This will all turn around next week on Raw when Bryan goes full badass on Kane. We had "See No Evil" horror plot and next week, Kane will abduct Brie. Steph will tell DB not to go looking for Kane and to let her and the Authority handle it. Bryan will then say "he has a hostage... it's my wife" Of course after the ppv match, Kane and DB will hug it out to which Bryan will say to Kane "that better be your fanny pack" <insert laugh track here> <Credits>
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Post by Ryushinku on May 7, 2014 4:48:11 GMT -5
Bryan has been steadily pushed and featured since day one, I'll be the first to say that, but WWE have gone out of their way to undermine him ever since. So has he been pushed or undermined since day one, it's kind of hard to do both. He's being pundermined!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 7, 2014 4:49:44 GMT -5
No, that was just me (poorly?) editing a Shakespeare quote into context ("Beware the Ides Of March" was the warning given to Julius Caesar by a soothsayer before his assassination in the play Julius Caesar). Beware the 15th of Ryder. Or Beware the Middle of Ryder. The middle of Ryder sounds very appealing.
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Post by nate5054 on May 7, 2014 5:48:44 GMT -5
I haven't read through this thread but my thoughts were Bryan looked like a pussy in all of that on RAW. I get he's trying to protect Brie but he was basically just running and hiding from freaking Kane all night. I really think he loses the title at SummerSlam and that's the last time he'll be in the world title picture. That's how it looked to me too. I get people are saying he was protecting his wife, but man did he just high tail it out of there. It looked so cowardly.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 7, 2014 7:02:41 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 7, 2014 8:25:42 GMT -5
I haven't read through this thread but my thoughts were Bryan looked like a pussy in all of that on RAW. I get he's trying to protect Brie but he was basically just running and hiding from freaking Kane all night. I really think he loses the title at SummerSlam and that's the last time he'll be in the world title picture. That's how it looked to me too. I get people are saying he was protecting his wife, but man did he just high tail it out of there. It looked so cowardly. He could stand his ground like the first time and have Kane attempt to make him 5'0 again. Besides basic horror movie tropes dictate that either he runs for life or slowly walk and wait for the monster to attack him.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 7, 2014 8:35:25 GMT -5
Bryan has more 1 on 1 wins against Kane than Ryder had. Pffffftt, even as Ryder and Bryan's career trajectories somewhat intertwined in 2012 (Bryan up and Ryder down), Bryan, as a midcard heel, was still cleanly pinning Kane, as per Summerslam '12. The angle on Monday was the dog's dinner. Not even one of those fancy ones, just tripe and a bit of old gravy kind of dog's dinner. Just have Kane go proper feral, eviscerate a few jobodies, shut the f**k up, threaten Brie, play off the Hell-No history and BOOM! you're en route to a halfway compelling angle. IT WRITES ITS-F**KING-SELF, PEOPLE.
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