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Post by hossfan on May 6, 2014 4:14:38 GMT -5
Why's Mick so sure Daniel Bryan didn't politic in regards to this angle? Maybe he's the reason Brie's involved?
And to compare this situation to what happened with Ryder is stupid. Just more red meat for the conspiracy theorists who still believe that WWE doesn't want Bryan to be the top guy.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 5:30:56 GMT -5
Why's Mick so sure Daniel Bryan didn't politic in regards to this angle? Maybe he's the reason Brie's involved? This would make him the world's worst politician then. I mean, he couldn't have came across anymore inept last night. Kane completely emasculated him. |
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Post by Starshine on May 6, 2014 5:38:14 GMT -5
It's kind of sad when TNA's ripoff of Bryan is being booked better than the original.
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Post by hossfan on May 6, 2014 5:39:41 GMT -5
Why's Mick so sure Daniel Bryan didn't politic in regards to this angle? Maybe he's the reason Brie's involved? This would make him the world's worst politician then. I mean, he couldn't have came across anymore inept last night. Kane completely emasculated him. Don't see how. It's not like he's running away because he's scared for himself; Bryan took off to protect his wife. She's been the excuse for his seeming weakness to Kane in this whole feud. When its been just one man facing the other, Bryan's come out on top. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 5:44:27 GMT -5
This would make him the world's worst politician then. I mean, he couldn't have came across anymore inept last night. Kane completely emasculated him. Don't see how. It's not like he's running away because he's scared for himself; Bryan took off to protect his wife. She's been the excuse for his seeming weakness to Kane in this whole feud. When its been just one man facing the other, Bryan's come out on top. Could you see Cena, HHH, Austin or Rock running away as babyfaces if booked in the exact same angle with Kane? |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 6, 2014 6:27:19 GMT -5
Don't see how. It's not like he's running away because he's scared for himself; Bryan took off to protect his wife. She's been the excuse for his seeming weakness to Kane in this whole feud. When its been just one man facing the other, Bryan's come out on top. Could you see Cena, HHH, Austin or Rock running away as babyfaces if booked in the exact same angle with Kane? Well, if it were the EXACT same angle, then yes.   Don't worry, I know what you meant... Would it be in character for them run to protect their wife instead of fighting the monster off? Honestly, it's hard to say, because it isn't the kind of thing they normally do with main event guys. Cena might possibly, you know as the stuff he kind of sells before "Spoiler: Cena Wins", because his character can get so erratic that it's basically whatever is needed to tell the story they want, as you've said yourself many times. Triple H? I'd be worried about Stephanie no-selling it before Triple H would. Austin? He did have his wife involved in angles in 2001, but I can't say that I can see him doing it either. And Rock? I'll be damned if can decide one way or the other. I think it wouldn't be in character for him to be involved, but as far as I can remember, he was always willing to put angles over once he was done with the trash talking, so he might have played ball. That said, I don't think this one example of Bryan "pussying out" should be held against him that much, especially given how much of a scrappy badass he's been over the most part of the last few months. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 6:39:16 GMT -5
Could you see Cena, HHH, Austin or Rock running away as babyfaces if booked in the exact same angle with Kane? Well, if it were the EXACT same angle, then yes. Don't worry, I know what you meant... Would it be in character for them run to protect their wife instead of fighting the monster off? Honestly, it's hard to say, because it isn't the kind of thing they normally do with main event guys. Cena might possibly, you know as the stuff he kind of sells before "Spoiler: Cena Wins", because his character can get so erratic that it's basically whatever is needed to tell the story they want, as you've said yourself many times. Triple H? I'd be worried about Stephanie no-selling it before Triple H would. Austin? He did have his wife involved in angles in 2001, but I can't say that I can see him doing it either. And Rock? I'll be damned if can decide one way or the other. I think it wouldn't be in character for him to be involved, but as far as I can remember, he was always willing to put angles over once he was done with the trash talking, so he might have played ball. That said, I don't think this one example of Bryan "pussying out" should be held against him that much, especially given how much of a scrappy badass he's been over the most part of the last few months. I can't remember one babyface champion ever who ran away. I can see getting his wife to the car or out of the arena. But him high-tailing it, too? The look on the crowds' face as they sprinted up the ramp to skip town said it all. Bryan was emasculated. It would have been better TV for him to grab a microphone and call out Kane as a coward and to come fight him like a man, keeping his wife by his side, or at least demanding security surround and protect her as he fights. That's a champion and a man in wrestling. And I think that is the crux of the issue. Not that Kane didn't need to get heat. Kane needed to. But the way it was booked it came off so bad. Your champion can be over-matched, but he should never run. Hell, even against all odds and numbers he should fight. It's theater. Not real life. |
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Post by hossfan on May 6, 2014 6:58:00 GMT -5
Don't see how. It's not like he's running away because he's scared for himself; Bryan took off to protect his wife. She's been the excuse for his seeming weakness to Kane in this whole feud. When its been just one man facing the other, Bryan's come out on top. Could you see Cena, HHH, Austin or Rock running away as babyfaces if booked in the exact same angle with Kane? No, but Daniel Bryan is none of those guys. Not all heroes act the same way. You play to the characters strengths. Part of Bryan's appeal has always been his vulnerability, both in storyline and out of it. It keeps people invested in the feud. People are legit worried that the man who just pinned (Edit: pinned one and made the other tap out)two Hall of Fame wrestlers at Wrestlemania is going to become Zack Ryder. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on May 6, 2014 7:01:11 GMT -5
Don't see how. It's not like he's running away because he's scared for himself; Bryan took off to protect his wife. She's been the excuse for his seeming weakness to Kane in this whole feud. When its been just one man facing the other, Bryan's come out on top. Could you see Cena, HHH, Austin or Rock running away as babyfaces if booked in the exact same angle with Kane? Can we stop comparing Daniel Bryan to all of these guys already?! He's not them at all, he's booked to be the small scrappy underdog, not the big badbass like Austin, Rock, or Triple H. He's supposed to look like there's doubt that he can do it but then in the end "overcome the odds" and succeed. |
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Post by Ryushinku on May 6, 2014 7:01:41 GMT -5
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 7:08:15 GMT -5
Could you see Cena, HHH, Austin or Rock running away as babyfaces if booked in the exact same angle with Kane? No, but Daniel Bryan is none of those guys. Not all heroes act the same way. You play to the characters strengths. Part of Bryan's appeal has always been his vulnerability, both in storyline and out of it. People are legit worried that the man who just pinned a two Hall of Fame wrestlers at Wrestlemania is going to become Zack Ryder. All the wrestlers mentioned have zero in common with each other too. One's a redneck. One's a third generation legacy who talks in the 3rd person. One's an affluent Connecticut blueblood cum sophomoric imbecile cum cerebral asskicker game true destroyer who runs the company, and the other is a a child trapped in Shazam's body -- if Shazam dressed like a 10 year old from 15 years ago. Dude should have just called Kane out and had security surround his wife. And fought like a man. Like he has been. This is a dude who fought all three Wyatts at once, and beat Evolution in one night, and pinned Kane clean 24 hours before. No one wants to see him hightail it out of the arena, you know, before uttering, "I can't wait to get out of here," as he starts his faulty, Stephanie acquired conspiracy mobile. So for those counting: he was coward, and stupid. And those are two traits you should NEVER have in babyfaces. Don't Rey Mysterio this shit. Make the guy credible or he's doomed to never be on the level of other greats. Perception is everything. |
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Post by Chip Jordan on May 6, 2014 7:16:02 GMT -5
I can't remember one babyface champion ever who ran away. I can see getting his wife to the car or out of the arena. But him high-tailing it, too? The look on the crowds' face as they sprinted up the ramp to skip town said it all. Bryan was emasculated. It would have been better TV for him to grab a microphone and call out Kane as a coward and to come fight him like a man, keeping his wife by his side, or at least demanding security surround and protect her as he fights. That's a champion and a man in wrestling. Women can't drive. Duh!
I know exactly how DB feels though. A colleague of mine is constantly trying to attack my wife. I still keep taking her to work with me though. God, I love her so much.
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Post by hossfan on May 6, 2014 7:17:15 GMT -5
No, but Daniel Bryan is none of those guys. Not all heroes act the same way. You play to the characters strengths. Part of Bryan's appeal has always been his vulnerability, both in storyline and out of it. People are legit worried that the man who just pinned a two Hall of Fame wrestlers at Wrestlemania is going to become Zack Ryder. All the wrestlers mentioned have zero in common with each other too. One's a redneck. One's a third generation legacy who talks in the 3rd person. One's an affluent Connecticut blueblood cum sophomoric imbecile cum cerebral asskicker game true destroyer who runs the company, and the other is a a child trapped in Shazam's body -- if Shazam dressed like a 10 year old from 15 years ago. Dude should have just called Kane out and had security surround his wife. And fought like a man. Like he has been. This is a dude who fought all three Wyatts at once, and beat Evolution in one night, and pinned Kane clean 24 hours before. No one wants to see him hightail it out of the arena, you know, before uttering, "I can't wait to get out of here," as he starts his faulty, Stephanie acquired conspiracy mobile. So for those counting: he was coward, and stupid. And those are two traits you should NEVER have in babyfaces. Don't Rey Mysterio this shit. Make the guy credible or he's doomed to never be on the level of other greats. Perception is everything. If they had done what you suggested then what? Kane kicks his ass again to get his heat back and people would whine about how its redundant in their booking and making Bryan look weak. The segment was fine. No harm no foul. We all know what's going to happen: next week Bryan's going to do everything you suggested, leave his wife somewhere safe and call out Kane to fight or he'll give him a taste of his own medicine and ambush him. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on May 6, 2014 7:23:31 GMT -5
No, but Daniel Bryan is none of those guys. Not all heroes act the same way. You play to the characters strengths. Part of Bryan's appeal has always been his vulnerability, both in storyline and out of it. People are legit worried that the man who just pinned a two Hall of Fame wrestlers at Wrestlemania is going to become Zack Ryder. All the wrestlers mentioned have zero in common with each other too. One's a redneck. One's a third generation legacy who talks in the 3rd person. One's an affluent Connecticut blueblood cum sophomoric imbecile cum cerebral asskicker game true destroyer who runs the company, and the other is a a child trapped in Shazam's body -- if Shazam dressed like a 10 year old from 15 years ago. Dude should have just called Kane out and had security surround his wife. And fought like a man. Like he has been. This is a dude who fought all three Wyatts at once, and beat Evolution in one night, and pinned Kane clean 24 hours before. No one wants to see him hightail it out of the arena, you know, before uttering, "I can't wait to get out of here," as he starts his faulty, Stephanie acquired conspiracy mobile. So for those counting: he was coward, and stupid. And those are two traits you should NEVER have in babyfaces. Don't Rey Mysterio this shit. Make the guy credible or he's doomed to never be on the level of other greats. Perception is everything. What reason does he have for calling Kane out? He set the guy on fire and won fair and square, he has no reason to call the guy out. In fact, that should make him more weary since he pretty much could have killed the guy yet he seems unfazed |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 6, 2014 7:28:44 GMT -5
There are a lot of similarities in the angle for sure, but I don't think Bryan is getting Ryder'd. Honestly, I think what hurt Ryder more than anything was that after taking all the beat downs, his goal became to get on Team Teddy for Mania. Then he didn't even attack Kane till months later (could have worked had they taken him off tv and not had him be bumbling Ryder on tv as well) Ryder also didn't interact with Eve after the whole situation. Then Ryder was completely off tv. The biggest fault of Ryder was that he then used the platforms that got him over to be a platform to whine and complain. Sure he had legit gripes, but you got over by being a lovable goof on social media.
But yeah, you can't just hide the fact that Kane has spent 6 months eating finishers and being a jobber just by saying they're so desperate to get the title off Bryan that they've re-awoken the monster. Maybe a few months down the road it COULD have worked (or you know, in a few months go back to Bray Wyatt). So this kind of makes me feel that the Batista rumors are true.
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Post by Professor Chaos on May 6, 2014 7:35:41 GMT -5
I haven't read through this thread but my thoughts were Bryan looked like a pussy in all of that on RAW. I get he's trying to protect Brie but he was basically just running and hiding from freaking Kane all night. I really think he loses the title at SummerSlam and that's the last time he'll be in the world title picture.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 7:55:16 GMT -5
All the wrestlers mentioned have zero in common with each other too. One's a redneck. One's a third generation legacy who talks in the 3rd person. One's an affluent Connecticut blueblood cum sophomoric imbecile cum cerebral asskicker game true destroyer who runs the company, and the other is a a child trapped in Shazam's body -- if Shazam dressed like a 10 year old from 15 years ago. Dude should have just called Kane out and had security surround his wife. And fought like a man. Like he has been. This is a dude who fought all three Wyatts at once, and beat Evolution in one night, and pinned Kane clean 24 hours before. No one wants to see him hightail it out of the arena, you know, before uttering, "I can't wait to get out of here," as he starts his faulty, Stephanie acquired conspiracy mobile. So for those counting: he was coward, and stupid. And those are two traits you should NEVER have in babyfaces. Don't Rey Mysterio this shit. Make the guy credible or he's doomed to never be on the level of other greats. Perception is everything. What reason does he have for calling Kane out? He set the guy on fire and won fair and square, he has no reason to call the guy out. In fact, that should make him more weary since he pretty much could have killed the guy yet he seems unfazed Call him out to face him like a man when Kane's music went off, as opposed to running away. He heard the music and bee-lined. All the wrestlers mentioned have zero in common with each other too. One's a redneck. One's a third generation legacy who talks in the 3rd person. One's an affluent Connecticut blueblood cum sophomoric imbecile cum cerebral asskicker game true destroyer who runs the company, and the other is a a child trapped in Shazam's body -- if Shazam dressed like a 10 year old from 15 years ago. Dude should have just called Kane out and had security surround his wife. And fought like a man. Like he has been. This is a dude who fought all three Wyatts at once, and beat Evolution in one night, and pinned Kane clean 24 hours before. No one wants to see him hightail it out of the arena, you know, before uttering, "I can't wait to get out of here," as he starts his faulty, Stephanie acquired conspiracy mobile. So for those counting: he was coward, and stupid. And those are two traits you should NEVER have in babyfaces. Don't Rey Mysterio this shit. Make the guy credible or he's doomed to never be on the level of other greats. Perception is everything. If they had done what you suggested then what? Kane kicks his ass again to get his heat back and people would whine about how its redundant in their booking and making Bryan look weak. The segment was fine. No harm no foul. We all know what's going to happen: next week Bryan's going to do everything you suggested, leave his wife somewhere safe and call out Kane to fight or he'll give him a taste of his own medicine and ambush him. I think people would respond better to a valiant losing effort in a fight, then running away. Heroes don't run. Even if they're small. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 6, 2014 8:12:53 GMT -5
Foley is right. Ever since db won the title, he's had a joke reign that's been saddled with this campy horror crap with a character he's beaten a million times in the past couple of months, instead of getting him a credible challenger or rival.
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Post by Abdullah on May 6, 2014 8:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 6, 2014 8:30:04 GMT -5
I'm listening to Review a Raw and one thing they've been bringing up recently is comparing EY's run to Bryan's run. Right now, the rip off of Daniel Bryan is booked 10 times better. Eric Young won't run away from any monsters, he'll fight them, and not only will he fight them, he'll fight them in their type of match. And not only that, but the Champion's wife would be willing to fight the monster. If I was TNA and I was like, look, we are rip offs, if we're gonna do it, when ODB is threatened, she fights back and doesn't scream in horror. That angle last night was the worst thing that could happen to Bryan.
Bryan should have said no to the angle, flat out.
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