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Post by thelonewolf527 on May 6, 2014 0:09:18 GMT -5
What's Bryan supposed to do? Be like "nah, I want no unique advancement in my angle" How about "How about something that doesn't make me look like a pussy, running away with my girlfriend from the guy whose ass I kicked fair and square last night?"? WWE Champions shouldn't look like pussies. John Cena wouldn't have wanted to run away. That should be the same approach with Bryan. With Brie involved he wanted to protect his wife, that's not being a pussy. Besides, he beat Kane already, there'd be no reason to do a rematch if Kane didn't get some upperhand on him.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 6, 2014 0:11:31 GMT -5
We're probably getting a second and likely final match before Kane either is directed at someone else or takes time off/retires. Hasn't Kane started some business outside of WWE? I could see him focusing on that for a bit. If WWE was a boat I'm pretty sure the anchors would be Kane and Big Show. It's amazing how they always kill the momentum of whoever they're attached to, and it's like WWE puts them in these major angles for purely sentimental reasons, because it's not like there's a public clamoring to see Big Show and Kane in main events. Right? They both just deflate the heat of whomever they are involved with. I know they both kill storylines for me when they're involved.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2014 0:11:36 GMT -5
He's only running because his wife is right there. I figure they'd have got that point across when he cold cocked Kane with a wrench and didn't run away that time. Kayfabe wise, that almost got Brie dragged under the ring to, I dunno, look at where Hornswoggle used to live or something. Bryan, as a character, has been portrayed as fearless to the point of reckless unflinchingly throughout most if not all of his WWE run, so they basically have to have his liability he has to watch out for to threaten. Think of it as his John Cena Sr. That makes sense. I just didn't care for the execution. This is always an all important time for a new Champion. I just don't want to see him get shoe-horned into some dead-end angle that cools him off rather than heats him up. And I fear that this Brie addition is going to do just that. I guess I've just seen this thing happen too many times to not cringe when I see it again. I think the execution could use some work, totally, I just don't think he's being so much portrayed as a pussy. I like Kane, but I'm hoping their next match is thee blowoff, and Daniel Bryan gets someone else to deal with. Once Kane is out of the way, Brie hanging around him for safety and to give him a Lois Lane will not be needed, and she'll go back to doing whatever. Only thing is, short of Sheamus in a possible heel turn, which the dismissive way he said "No hard feelings...." and his admitting he'd been stuck doing not much of anything, seems possible, I can't think of many good heels he could work with that wouldn't be rehashing things. Maybe Cesaro, since I think when Bryan faces off with Bray, it might end up with Bray as champion, so it's too early for that.
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Post by kinginthenorth on May 6, 2014 0:12:21 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever typed this sentence, and it hurts to type it, but Mick Foley, go f*** yourself.
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Post by Batman on May 6, 2014 0:13:00 GMT -5
It's weird that they made a point of not including Brie in his celebration at Mania and now she's suddenly at the forefront.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on May 6, 2014 0:13:59 GMT -5
That makes sense. I just didn't care for the execution. This is always an all important time for a new Champion. I just don't want to see him get shoe-horned into some dead-end angle that cools him off rather than heats him up. And I fear that this Brie addition is going to do just that. I guess I've just seen this thing happen too many times to not cringe when I see it again. I think the execution could use some work, totally, I just don't think he's being so much portrayed as a pussy. I like Kane, but I'm hoping their next match is thee blowoff, and Daniel Bryan gets someone else to deal with. Once Kane is out of the way, Brie hanging around him for safety and to give him a Lois Lane will not be needed, and she'll go back to doing whatever. Only thing is, short of Sheamus in a possible heel turn, which the dismissive way he said "No hard feelings...." and his admitting he'd been stuck doing not much of anything, seems possible, I can't think of many good heels he could work with that wouldn't be rehashing things. Maybe Cesaro, since I think when Bryan faces off with Bray, it might end up with Bray as champion, so it's too early for that. See I'm fine with Sheamus turning heel I guess, but the guy shouldn't be fed to Bryan right away. It would essentially kill off his chances of being a successful heel, so there really isn't anyone else at this point besides Kane
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Post by Lancers on May 6, 2014 0:14:01 GMT -5
I'm 28% sure Foley posts here under the pseudonym That's How I Roll. LARGE RED IMPACT FONT MAKES EVERYTHING MORE MEMORABLE
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2014 0:14:22 GMT -5
We're probably getting a second and likely final match before Kane either is directed at someone else or takes time off/retires. Hasn't Kane started some business outside of WWE? I could see him focusing on that for a bit. If WWE was a boat I'm pretty sure the anchors would be Kane and Big Show. It's amazing how they always kill the momentum of whoever they're attached to, and it's like WWE puts them in these major angles for purely sentimental reasons, because it's not like there's a public clamoring to see Big Show and Kane in main events. They do have their fans, but they seem to be exceptionally hard to book. Bryan did benefit from being Kane's tag partner, and the Shield did benefit from their feud with Team Hell No, but those were the exceptions, not the norm, which is a shame. Big Show, on the other hand, yeah, basically always a dead end feud, with the exception of his initial feud with John Cena, which did help in giving him some legitimacy. I like Kane, and I tolerate Big Show depending on context, but Kane probably should retire and Big Show... can continue not mattering, I guess.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 6, 2014 0:15:06 GMT -5
How about "How about something that doesn't make me look like a pussy, running away with my girlfriend from the guy whose ass I kicked fair and square last night?"? WWE Champions shouldn't look like pussies. John Cena wouldn't have wanted to run away. That should be the same approach with Bryan. With Brie involved he wanted to protect his wife, that's not being a pussy. Besides, he beat Kane already, there'd be no reason to do a rematch if Kane didn't get some upperhand on him. I think I'd rather just see Bryan send Brie away, and fight Kane straight up, before Kane gets some sort of upper-hand and does something vile to him. Heels have to beat the shit out of faces, that's just one of the rules of the game. But faces should never run, even if it makes sense in real life. It's a macho thing. That said, I can't help but picture guys like Austin, Rock, Cena or HHH turning down that two teenagers running from Jason Voorhees shit. I just wish Bryan had it in him to tell WWE how dumb it is, too. This is a cut-throat business, and you have to look out for number 1, because they sure as shit aren't always going to. Often out of political spite.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 6, 2014 0:16:04 GMT -5
If WWE was a boat I'm pretty sure the anchors would be Kane and Big Show. It's amazing how they always kill the momentum of whoever they're attached to, and it's like WWE puts them in these major angles for purely sentimental reasons, because it's not like there's a public clamoring to see Big Show and Kane in main events. They do have their fans, but they seem to be exceptionally hard to book. Bryan did benefit from being Kane's tag partner, and the Shield did benefit from their feud with Team Hell No, but those were the exceptions, not the norm, which is a shame. Big Show, on the other hand, yeah, basically always a dead end feud, with the exception of his initial feud with John Cena, which did help in giving him some legitimacy. I like Kane, and I tolerate Big Show depending on context, but Kane probably should retire and Big Show... can continue not mattering, I guess. Yeah, they work ok as midcard supporting figures, but they're poison to anything above that.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2014 0:16:57 GMT -5
I think the execution could use some work, totally, I just don't think he's being so much portrayed as a pussy. I like Kane, but I'm hoping their next match is thee blowoff, and Daniel Bryan gets someone else to deal with. Once Kane is out of the way, Brie hanging around him for safety and to give him a Lois Lane will not be needed, and she'll go back to doing whatever. Only thing is, short of Sheamus in a possible heel turn, which the dismissive way he said "No hard feelings...." and his admitting he'd been stuck doing not much of anything, seems possible, I can't think of many good heels he could work with that wouldn't be rehashing things. Maybe Cesaro, since I think when Bryan faces off with Bray, it might end up with Bray as champion, so it's too early for that. See I'm fine with Sheamus turning heel I guess, but the guy shouldn't be fed to Bryan right away. It would essentially kill off his chances of being a successful heel, so there really isn't anyone else at this point besides Kane That's true. I will say, Kane shortcomings aside, it's better than feuding him with Big Show would be, and beyond that, it's better than if they hotshotted Rusev into fodder for him. Jack Swagger would be a decent option, but there's not a lot of meat on that, with Swagger being a solid-upper midcard guy, but not a plausible threat to his title. Man, WWE really does need some heels...
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Post by Stu on May 6, 2014 0:17:50 GMT -5
Ryder just tweeted Bryan to "be careful."
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 6, 2014 0:19:31 GMT -5
Ryder just tweeted Bryan to "be careful." Spooky
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on May 6, 2014 0:19:46 GMT -5
It's weird that they made a point of not including Brie in his celebration at Mania and now she's suddenly at the forefront. I'm 98% sure they did that to make it a whole dramatic thing for Total Divas.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 6, 2014 0:20:58 GMT -5
I get what Foley is saying, but Zack Ryder never was the most popular superstar in WWE, nor did he beat Triple H, Batista, and Randy Orton in the same night to win the WWE Title at WrestleMania. On top of that, I really can't see Kane agreeing to go over Bryan in any of their matches.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on May 6, 2014 0:25:08 GMT -5
Ryder just tweeted Bryan to "be careful." Spooky See it work's on different levels.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2014 0:30:39 GMT -5
It's weird that they made a point of not including Brie in his celebration at Mania and now she's suddenly at the forefront. I'm 98% sure they did that to make it a whole dramatic thing for Total Divas. That might have been a motivating factor to a minor degree, but basically, they probably figured. "We need to sell the transformation, but we can't really let Bryan act scared for his own safety." "Go after his wife, he can be afraid for her without losing face." "Neato." To their credit, having him do all the tombstones was helpful to making this not just Kane out of the suit and with a mask, but they could stand to dial it back a little and not go full on "B Horror, only we can't really edit this, so this is going to be a clusterf***".
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Post by BigWill on May 6, 2014 0:35:54 GMT -5
What's Bryan supposed to do? Be like "nah, I want no unique advancement in my angle" And Zack Ryder killed his own career by sucking at acting The whole Zack Ryder killing his own career line always seemed strange to me. I mean sure his acting wasn't good, but he was a midcarder. I could understand if he was suppose to be on the main even level it'd be a problem, but how many midcarders actually need to act well? They rarely even get mic time. If you can put on matches that can entertain a crowd, that alone should put you above jobber level, given what little interest fans have in most superstars these days. Not to mention, Ryder stayed over for a while after the WWE depushed him. It's not like the fans suddenly turned on him, and that killed his run.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 6, 2014 0:41:23 GMT -5
See I'm fine with Sheamus turning heel I guess, but the guy shouldn't be fed to Bryan right away. It would essentially kill off his chances of being a successful heel, so there really isn't anyone else at this point besides Kane That's true. I will say, Kane shortcomings aside, it's better than feuding him with Big Show would be, and beyond that, it's better than if they hotshotted Rusev into fodder for him. Jack Swagger would be a decent option, but there's not a lot of meat on that, with Swagger being a solid-upper midcard guy, but not a plausible threat to his title. Man, WWE really does need some heels... There's always Alberto Del Rio! Nothing could go wrong with a babyface fight Del Rio for months on end!
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2014 0:43:41 GMT -5
That's true. I will say, Kane shortcomings aside, it's better than feuding him with Big Show would be, and beyond that, it's better than if they hotshotted Rusev into fodder for him. Jack Swagger would be a decent option, but there's not a lot of meat on that, with Swagger being a solid-upper midcard guy, but not a plausible threat to his title. Man, WWE really does need some heels... There's always Alberto Del Rio! Nothing could go wrong with a babyface fight Del Rio for months on end! To their credit, the match was actually pretty good, though I think he's in basically the same position as Swagger, where the matches would be good but there's probably not enough for more than a filler title defense out of it.
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