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Post by grunt on Jun 29, 2014 22:18:55 GMT -5
My thoughts: Uso's/Harper and Rowan: Solid opener. Decent match. Looks like they're starting to distance Harper and Rowan from Bray with the new theme and not accompanying him and so forth. Paige/Naomi: Decent. Kind of sloppy at times. Naomi looked way better than Paige in ring IMO. Adam Rose/Paul Revere: f*** this match. MITB 1: Decent with some cool spots. Sadly TheDemonKane had to show up. kind of a lazy finish. Ambrose is over like Rover. Goldust/Stardust vs. RybAxel. Decent. The Dust's are great. Hopefully Cody never turns back into boring CAW Cody Rusev/Big. E. Solid power match, but I have zero f***s to give about Rusev and Lana as they're outright awful. Layla/Summer Rae: Didn't care about it at all. MITB 2: Probably one of the worst MITB matches ever. Too much Kane. Everyone knows that he's a loser, stop pretending otherwise, WWE. Overall decent if unspectacular. That. Exactly that. Wrestling was mostly perfectly fine, but the status-quo booking (not just in the MITB2) is what killed the show for me. Also, does Rollins really needs the MITB, since he's working with the Authority, which can book title matches at will ?
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 29, 2014 22:18:57 GMT -5
It's way too early to give Roman or Cesaro the title and Bray doesn't need it. And I'm sorry but a feud between Lesnar and Reigns would just expose Reigns. So Cena winning makes sense Wake me up when things stop making sense and start getting good. You perception of "good," my perception of "good," and WWE's perception of "good" are all totally different. Just because what happened tonight didn't go the way you wanted it to, doesn't make it "bad."
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Post by amaron on Jun 29, 2014 22:19:28 GMT -5
Roman, Wyatt or Cesaro would have me tuning into RAW tomorrow and would be the next logical step in all of their careers, the three of them are in a holding pattern at the moment. Roman/Lesnar is money now. I'm a fan of Roman Reigns and I still think he's not ready to be in the main event. Especially with a match against Brock Lesnar. Wyatt's character doesn't care about being Champion, besides the guy's 27 years old. He's got a long career ahead of him. Cesaro hasn't been really interesting since his paring with Heyman. He's not ready to win the belt now. That leaves Cena, Del Rio, Sheamus, Orton and Kane. Kane's there to be the bodyguard for Orton. If the endgame is to give the belt to Lesnar at Summerslam, than giving it to Orton makes no sense. Del Rio isn't going shit, Sheamus is already US Champion. Giving is to Cena makes the most sense if the person is supposed to drop it to Brock. It's a big money match and builds up Brock even more. Here's the problem: we're not supposed to be thinking in the terms of 'who is going to drop the belt to Lesnar'. Sometimes we all think a little too behind the scenes for our own good.
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Post by benstudd on Jun 29, 2014 22:20:46 GMT -5
They could have had Reign win and then Rollins comes in and with the help of HHH, Orton and Kane, becomes new Champ. And go heel vs heel at Summerslam? I'm not only focusing on Lesnar. How about Rollins vs Bryan at Summerslam?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2014 22:20:53 GMT -5
Wake me up when things stop making sense and start getting good. You perception of "good," my perception of "good," and WWE's perception of "good" are all totally different. Just because what happened tonight didn't go the way you wanted it to, doesn't make it "bad." It could have been handled far better though in my opinion. Cena got the belt way too quickly and way too easily, I hate Cena as Champion, I understand it because of Brock, but I hate it anyway. But if you're going to make Cena champion completely destroying two guys in a second while they stood there and did nothing and scurrying up and taking the belts like he never even went through a match is downright f***ing stupid, I don't care who you are.
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 29, 2014 22:21:39 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Roman Reigns and I still think he's not ready to be in the main event. Especially with a match against Brock Lesnar. Wyatt's character doesn't care about being Champion, besides the guy's 27 years old. He's got a long career ahead of him. Cesaro hasn't been really interesting since his paring with Heyman. He's not ready to win the belt now. That leaves Cena, Del Rio, Sheamus, Orton and Kane. Kane's there to be the bodyguard for Orton. If the endgame is to give the belt to Lesnar at Summerslam, than giving it to Orton makes no sense. Del Rio isn't going shit, Sheamus is already US Champion. Giving is to Cena makes the most sense if the person is supposed to drop it to Brock. It's a big money match and builds up Brock even more. Here's the problem: we're not supposed to be thinking in the terms of 'who is going to drop the belt to Lesnar'. Sometimes we all think a little too behind the scenes for our own good. Why not? That's most likely the end game. If it's not, than I'll agree that this win would've have gone to anyone. But, if it's to drop it to Lesnar, than Cena's the only one who make sense.
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Post by benstudd on Jun 29, 2014 22:22:29 GMT -5
Wake me up when things stop making sense and start getting good. You perception of "good," my perception of "good," and WWE's perception of "good" are all totally different. Just because what happened tonight didn't go the way you wanted it to, doesn't make it "bad." Well it's not "Bad", just not totally creative.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jun 29, 2014 22:23:07 GMT -5
The only issue I really have with Cena winning is the way the ending went down. Everyone is beating the crap out of each other the whole match and then Cena just AA's two dudes and scurries up the ladder like he just came out of the locker room. It's beyond aggravating at this point. That's more an issue with the match as a whole having pretty lousy ladder match psychology. The briefcase match was far better - lots of different strategies on display by the competitors, more believable fake-out endings, an intriguing central story in Ambrose/Rollins that was backed up by Ziggler's overness and Kofi's story of trying to shed his choke artist history. There were also far better spots, much more exciting atmosphere overall. The main event ladder match, by contrast, was repetitive and boring outside of a few cool spots by Orton and Cesaro. The Reigns backlash seemed to begin in earnest (I had to have my volume down, but it sounded like he was getting booed solidly in a few places). The crowd didn't seem to have any kind of favorite, the way Ambrose was a favorite in the briefcase match...none of the competitors would have been exciting as a winner, it was either a lukewarm if upwardly mobile Cesaro, an oddly placed Bray Wyatt, or any number of "same old same old" options. (And if anything seems to be killing interest in WWE right now, it's any hint of "same old same old.") You bring up a good point. The Title match just kind of felt thrown together and the crowd wasn't really digging it outside of a few spots. And I think that's another problem that's going to bite WWE in the ass very soon; the fact that you have the mid to lower card guys just busting their asses to get noticed and put on a good show and then the main event guys just kind of go 'eh, f*** it' and doing the same old thing. The reactions that Ambrose and Ziggler got tonight are the reactions that your main event players should be getting. Not apathy.
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Post by modestgenius on Jun 29, 2014 22:25:30 GMT -5
Wake me up when things stop making sense and start getting good. You perception of "good," my perception of "good," and WWE's perception of "good" are all totally different. Just because what happened tonight didn't go the way you wanted it to, doesn't make it "bad." Every match was predictable, nothing of interest happened, WWE is an a holding pattern until Summerslam. Guess that's your interpretation of the word good.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jun 29, 2014 22:29:29 GMT -5
Had a fun time watching this at a bar in Boston, which is way cheaper and probably a lot more fun than paying 70 bucks for bad seats.
Quick drunk and exhausted thoughts from just being around a bunch of fans, non fans, and casual fans:
-Everyone loves Ambrose, especially when they're drunk and yelling about him being the Titty Master. -Naomi/Paige match got way more of a reaction than I expected. Everyone wanted Naomi to win. -There was no strong opinion of Cena either way.
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Post by mrjl on Jun 29, 2014 22:30:16 GMT -5
My thoughts: Uso's/Harper and Rowan: Solid opener. Decent match. Looks like they're starting to distance Harper and Rowan from Bray with the new theme and not accompanying him and so forth. Paige/Naomi: Decent. Kind of sloppy at times. Naomi looked way better than Paige in ring IMO. Adam Rose/Paul Revere: f*** this match. MITB 1: Decent with some cool spots. Sadly TheDemonKane had to show up. kind of a lazy finish. Ambrose is over like Rover. Goldust/Stardust vs. RybAxel. Decent. The Dust's are great. Hopefully Cody never turns back into boring CAW Cody Rusev/Big. E. Solid power match, but I have zero f***s to give about Rusev and Lana as they're outright awful. Layla/Summer Rae: Didn't care about it at all. MITB 2: Probably one of the worst MITB matches ever. Too much Kane. Everyone knows that he's a loser, stop pretending otherwise, WWE. Overall decent if unspectacular. That. Exactly that. Wrestling was mostly perfectly fine, but the status-quo booking (not just in the MITB2) is what killed the show for me. Also, does Rollins really needs the MITB, since he's working with the Authority, which can book title matches at will ? it prevents other people from making a title match at will. Of course if Orton had won they wouldn't have wanted him to use it. he should know that and it shouldn't be okay with him
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Post by mrjl on Jun 29, 2014 22:31:39 GMT -5
You perception of "good," my perception of "good," and WWE's perception of "good" are all totally different. Just because what happened tonight didn't go the way you wanted it to, doesn't make it "bad." Every match was predictable, nothing of interest happened, WWE is an a holding pattern until Summerslam. Guess that's your interpretation of the word good. you know what, predictable means it was booked logically. I like when things are booked logically
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Post by PrinceD on Jun 29, 2014 22:32:40 GMT -5
My picks: Cena Rollins Usos by DQ GoldStar Paige Summer Rae Rusev Status Quo for this PPV. I think they play it safe with all the uncertainty with Bryan. Welp, I was pretty damn close unfortunately.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2014 22:32:59 GMT -5
That's more an issue with the match as a whole having pretty lousy ladder match psychology. The briefcase match was far better - lots of different strategies on display by the competitors, more believable fake-out endings, an intriguing central story in Ambrose/Rollins that was backed up by Ziggler's overness and Kofi's story of trying to shed his choke artist history. There were also far better spots, much more exciting atmosphere overall. The main event ladder match, by contrast, was repetitive and boring outside of a few cool spots by Orton and Cesaro. The Reigns backlash seemed to begin in earnest (I had to have my volume down, but it sounded like he was getting booed solidly in a few places). The crowd didn't seem to have any kind of favorite, the way Ambrose was a favorite in the briefcase match...none of the competitors would have been exciting as a winner, it was either a lukewarm if upwardly mobile Cesaro, an oddly placed Bray Wyatt, or any number of "same old same old" options. (And if anything seems to be killing interest in WWE right now, it's any hint of "same old same old.") You bring up a good point. The Title match just kind of felt thrown together and the crowd wasn't really digging it outside of a few spots. And I think that's another problem that's going to bite WWE in the ass very soon; the fact that you have the mid to lower card guys just busting their asses to get noticed and put on a good show and then the main event guys just kind of go 'eh, f*** it' and doing the same old thing. The reactions that Ambrose and Ziggler got tonight are the reactions that your main event players should be getting. Not apathy. I couldn't agree with this more. WWE is really starting to get out of touch with who the fans want to see. They are really going to have to start to realize that the World Title Picture isn't just for big Muscleheads (They'll always be there sure but they aren't the dominant species). You got guys like Zayn, Neville, Crowe and soon Devitt, KENTA, and Steen presumably. Times have changed in the world of wrestling. You either accept the new generation and the new status quo and the new generation or you continue to lose/piss off fans.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jun 29, 2014 22:34:48 GMT -5
Oh oh oh, and Stardust. Stardust is f***ing over. People were still talking about Stardust in the streets after the PPV ended. It's baffling and it's great.
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Post by percymania on Jun 29, 2014 22:39:42 GMT -5
*sigh* Vacant left the night with no titles
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Post by modestgenius on Jun 29, 2014 22:42:18 GMT -5
Every match was predictable, nothing of interest happened, WWE is an a holding pattern until Summerslam. Guess that's your interpretation of the word good. you know what, predictable means it was booked logically. I like when things are booked logically No, logical means logical. Predictable means predictable. Logically you want Cena/Lesnar to be the main event of Summerslam? Predictably Cena is going to win this match. You have a pen, a blank page, and 11 RAWs to get the title to Cena or Brock. Jesus writing is not hard.
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Post by mrjl on Jun 29, 2014 22:45:52 GMT -5
you know what, predictable means it was booked logically. I like when things are booked logically No, logical means logical. Predictable means predictable. Logically you want Cena/Lesnar to be the main event of Summerslam? Predictably Cena is going to win this match. You have a pen, a blank page, and 11 RAWs to get the title to Cena or Brock. Jesus writing is not hard. you also have other characters you want to protect. You want to avoid writing your other characters as tools, and if you look at wrestling history most champs who lose titles rapidly they come off that way. Short term title reigns have ruined careers(Wildfire Tommy Rich for an example)
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jun 29, 2014 22:54:17 GMT -5
You bring up a good point. The Title match just kind of felt thrown together and the crowd wasn't really digging it outside of a few spots. And I think that's another problem that's going to bite WWE in the ass very soon; the fact that you have the mid to lower card guys just busting their asses to get noticed and put on a good show and then the main event guys just kind of go 'eh, f*** it' and doing the same old thing. The reactions that Ambrose and Ziggler got tonight are the reactions that your main event players should be getting. Not apathy. I couldn't agree with this more. WWE is really starting to get out of touch with who the fans want to see. They are really going to have to start to realize that the World Title Picture isn't just for big Muscleheads (They'll always be there sure but they aren't the dominant species). You got guys like Zayn, Neville, Crowe and soon Devitt, KENTA, and Steen presumably. Times have changed in the world of wrestling. You either accept the new generation and the new status quo and the new generation or you continue to lose/piss off fans. They're definitely on a slippery slope, I think. Reminds me a lot of the early 90's. You had some new blood that was starting to catch on with the fans, but the WWE stuck with the old dogs. And then when those old dogs up and left, they had to scramble to really make new stars again. You think they would have learned by now.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 29, 2014 23:00:02 GMT -5
After the briefcase match, did Triple H come out? They played his music, but because of where I was seated, if he didn't go beyond the stage, I did not see him.
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