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Post by Some Guy on Nov 7, 2015 14:52:52 GMT -5
I really don't get the "old Bond tropes are back yay" thing. Mission Impossible 4 and 5 both have done the type of older Bond attitude than any Bond movie in the last...f*** if I know, 45 years maybe. Trying to mimic that attitude produces this, which seemed like a lesser Rogue Nation rather than part of the new Bond type that was a fringe between the older ones and the Bourne movies. I said in another Bond thread (or maybe this one) that the M:I films have been doing Bond better than Bond for years now. There's definitely way too much Bourne influence in the current Bond and I want them to do an honest-to-goodness Connery-style Bond adventure set in the modern day world. But my point is trying to do the Connery thing will just look like a poor imitation of MI now, which is why the Craig Bond movies work to me in the modern days. Well, not this one.
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Post by Burst on Nov 7, 2015 18:03:16 GMT -5
Just got back from it, kept myself spoiler-free until I saw it. Here's my thoughts, in no particular order:
- Super-glad to have the gunbarrel back, but they need to properly transition from it to the pre-credits, not just fade away. - Awesome pre-credits sequence, very impressed by the helicopter piloting. - I can't get into the theme song... It was very... underwhelming, and the falsetto made it very hard to pick up the lyrics sometimes. - Pretty much everything to do with the widow of the first bad guy came off as very... rapey. It was very uncomfortable especially when he started ravishing her in her mansion, only for her to disappear from the film after that. Better than her being killed off, I guess. - Mr. Hinx was badass as expected, but I expected something more creative than "Big goon who doesn't talk, but says something profound or shocking when he dies". And his death scene itself was pretty underwhelming for a major mook. - I feel like Christoph Waltz was underused as Blofeld, but that's admittedly a tricky thing of figuring out how to do Blofeld without making people immediately think of Dr. Evil anymore. - That being said, the atmosphere around SPECTRE itself was brilliantly chilling. - Loved the climax at the old MI6, although you can almost blatantly tell where a new ending was created from the abrupt transition from the crater base back to London for the finale.
Overall, I think it was... decent. Definitely better than Quantum, and in a lot of ways I liked it better than the overly broody Skyfall. That being said, I'm ready (and I think Daniel Craig is ready) for a new Bond. This seemed to neatly wrap up the Craig era, so it'll be interesting if he does indeed stick around for one more film or not.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 7, 2015 18:14:18 GMT -5
I wonder if Waltz will continue to be Blofeld, or whether they'll do what they did before and have him undergo plastic surgery every time a new actor plays him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 18:21:55 GMT -5
Saw it in theatres last night.
Opening sequence was great.
That's all I can say for it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 7, 2015 18:27:25 GMT -5
But my point is trying to do the Connery thing will just look like a poor imitation of MI now, which is why the Craig Bond movies work to me in the modern days. Well, not this one. I'm not so sure, myself. The M:I films are good and all, but done correctly a classic Bond is a different beast. The current Bonds don't work for me because they already come across as poor imitations of both the Bourne and M:I movies, hence why I'm hoping for the next Bond to go back to the series' cinematic roots.
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Post by clifford on Nov 7, 2015 18:40:25 GMT -5
Was this just not Quantum of Solace done better?
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 7, 2015 18:59:05 GMT -5
No, Solace was better.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 7, 2015 20:10:45 GMT -5
...oh, for a second i thought you were serious. that's a good joke!
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 7, 2015 20:24:55 GMT -5
I think people will look more fondly on Solace in a few years. It has its issues, but it's nowhere near as bad as people seem to think it is.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 7, 2015 20:37:42 GMT -5
its the blandest bad guy in Bond history trying to carry out the lamest evil plot in Bond history
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 7, 2015 21:36:04 GMT -5
I loved it. The opening sequence was really impressive. Batista was a force as Hinx, and should have been used even more. Waltz is utterly compelling in everything he is in, and this was no exception.
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Post by Cela on Nov 8, 2015 4:19:54 GMT -5
It fell apart in the third act, once Blofeld revealed his master plan, it just began to suck. Which is a shame, because they built it up really well and had an awesome atmosphere. Except for the song... that was weird.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Nov 8, 2015 8:22:59 GMT -5
This felt more like a Bond film than anything in this millenium. Craig finally got the delivery of quips down.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 8, 2015 11:41:31 GMT -5
So yeah, I really enjoyed it. I don't know if it's going to be regarded as one of the all time great 007 films, because no, it's not quite as ambitious as Skyfall or even On Her Majesty 's Secret Service was for the franchise, but it accomplishes what it set out to do.
It's like they said, "ok, we've defined what we want James Bond to be nowadays, let's just try to make a fun, solid movie with the character here". This is probably the most confident Craig has been as Bond, still within the mold of a stoic badass, but his compassion and an actual sense of humor came across more this time.
Loved the villains, LOVED them. Waltz is deliciously hammy and Bautista as Hinx is scary as all hell. And I still think the theme song is amazing.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Nov 8, 2015 12:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by clifford on Nov 8, 2015 16:56:19 GMT -5
its the blandest bad guy in Bond history trying to carry out the lamest evil plot in Bond history We talking about Solace or Spectre here? Seriously, they were like, the same movie. Sidekicks getting screentime, the Day of the Dead pre credits sequence and the train fight with Batista make Spectre much better, but still very middle of the road. Waltz was wasted I feel.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 8, 2015 17:02:09 GMT -5
The villains in the post-Moore era aren't ambitious enough for my liking.
Stealing water from Bolivia is hardly building a superior human race in space, irradiating Fort Knox, or flooding Silicon Valley with a double earthquake.
They just aren't trying hard enough.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Nov 8, 2015 17:19:39 GMT -5
I saw Spectre a couple of weeks ago and I really enjoyed it. Not as good as Casino Royale and Skyfall but that would have been a herculean effort so I was satisfied with what I got.
If I was MGM I would throw as much money as possible at Daniel Craig to come back for one more movie. The man is a sensation as James Bond, and honestly I don't think the Bond series has been as popular as it is now since the Connery days (maybe Moore and Brosnan if we want to be more general) and it's largely because of him. Great performances from everyone involved, Craig, Waltz, Seydoux and BIG DAVE.
I do feel as if there was some wasted potential in Spectre, because I did enjoy the story overall but certain elements could have been focused on more or tightened up as it were. There was no need to make the film as long as it was (and god help us if Nolan does the next one) and speaking to friends afterwards they did think they spent a bit too much time in Morocco. I was also disappointed that Christoph Waltz wasn't in the movie as much as I thought he would be, and I get why they did it since he's hidden in the shadows as the grand puppet master but when you have an actor of his talent as the villain in a Bond movie, you should utilise him every chance you get. Hopefully he returns in the next movie because I would like to see more of his character.
Some of the hate for this movie is a bit ridiculous though. I mean the same people who were complaining that Craig's Bond is too dour and there needs to be more jokes and gadgets are the ones who are complaining that they brought in a lot more humour and gadgets. Hell the humour was pretty much on par with Skyfall to be honest. I read some reviews that said they were veering into Roger Moore territory and at no point in Spectre did it ever go too far with the humour.
The tracking shot in the opening sequence was phenomenal, one of the highlights of the movie as well. The torture scene was gripping as well, although I still think the ball whacking in Casino Royale was a lot worse. "It's the simplest thing to cause more pain than a man can possibly endure."
Overall I enjoyed the film, and in terms of the Bond pantheon it's in the top half of the movies. I do think it's good that Mendes isn't coming back for the next one. Hopefully Craig comes back for one last go round and finishes off his run in style.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 8, 2015 18:36:32 GMT -5
One minor detail I really liked, and it's subtle: {Spoiler}The way Bond and Swann just drive off into the sunset, I think it's one of the few Bond endings that doesn't have him going to town on the girl before the credits roll.
It feels like his character is just happy to make a new friend, as opposed to just another hot piece of ass. And she IS that for him as well, but still I just felt it was nice.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 8, 2015 21:32:14 GMT -5
Something about Blofeld that I just realized.... {Spoiler}Why in the world did they give Blofeld a backstory reminiscent of Doctor Evil!? Austin Powers did it as a joke!
Not as bad as Skyfall getting on the Joker I'll-get-myself-caught plan bandwagon I suppose.
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