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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 8, 2015 23:41:53 GMT -5
{Spoiler}The "daddy loved you more" origin sucked and yes, was very similar to Austin Powers. Blofeld should have been someone like 006 in Goldeneye. An ex-MI6 Double O agent who has gone into business for himself as a global criminal. That would be a logical way of explaining how the rogue agent knows the procedures and tactics of British intelligence. It would create a mirror of Bond. Where Bond is still serving queen and country, Blofeld has left it behind.
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Post by DSR on Nov 8, 2015 23:47:18 GMT -5
The "daddy loved you more" origin sucked and yes, was very similar to Austin Powers. Blofeld should have been someone like 006 in Goldeneye. An ex-MI6 Double O agent who has gone into business for himself as a global criminal. That would be a logical way of explaining how the rogue agent knows the procedures and tactics of British intelligence. It would create a mirror of Bond. Where Bond is still serving queen and country, Blofeld has left it behind. {Spoiler}Problem is that's what just happened in Skyfall. Raoul Silva was ex-MI6.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 9, 2015 1:04:24 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The "daddy loved you more" origin sucked and yes, was very similar to Austin Powers. Blofeld should have been someone like 006 in Goldeneye. An ex-MI6 Double O agent who has gone into business for himself as a global criminal. That would be a logical way of explaining how the rogue agent knows the procedures and tactics of British intelligence. It would create a mirror of Bond. Where Bond is still serving queen and country, Blofeld has left it behind. Problem is that's what just happened in Skyfall. Raoul Silva was ex-MI6. {Spoiler}He shouldn't have been. Didn't make much sense for a Spanish guy to be working for MI6. He would have stuck out like a sore thumb working in Hong Kong.
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Post by Cela on Nov 9, 2015 1:26:39 GMT -5
The more and more I think about it, Blofeld's motivation and plot continue to strike me as making him the lamest villain in Bond movie history.
Yes, I count water guy, it worked for what it was and was megalomaniachal enough. And Christopher Walken flooding the largest buying market of microchips to... sell more microchips, he was a crazy nazi child.
This was just... damnit Blofeld. You suck.
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Post by DSR on Nov 9, 2015 2:50:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Problem is that's what just happened in Skyfall. Raoul Silva was ex-MI6. He shouldn't have been. Didn't make much sense for a Spanish guy to be working for MI6. He would have stuck out like a sore thumb working in Hong Kong. I don't disagree.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 9, 2015 10:04:25 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Problem is that's what just happened in Skyfall. Raoul Silva was ex-MI6. He shouldn't have been. Didn't make much sense for a Spanish guy to be working for MI6. He would have stuck out like a sore thumb working in Hong Kong. Why are you putting spoiler tags on a Skyfall plot? And how would he have stuck put any more than a pure British agent? They made a point to mention he got on because he was really good at his job. Plus, the emotional core of the movie was M abandoning him to die.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 9, 2015 16:28:45 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}He shouldn't have been. Didn't make much sense for a Spanish guy to be working for MI6. He would have stuck out like a sore thumb working in Hong Kong. Why are you putting spoiler tags on a Skyfall plot? And how would he have stuck put any more than a pure British agent? They made a point to mention he got on because he was really good at his job. Plus, the emotional core of the movie was M abandoning him to die. Hong Kong was British at the time. So British guys would have been a common sight especially at the higher diplomatic circles, which would be useful for a MI6 agent. A camp-as-Christmas Spanish guy would have aroused suspicions by the Chinese I'm sure.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Nov 9, 2015 22:57:36 GMT -5
Anyway, I watched it tonight. It was fine. When you do so bunch of Bonds, they aren't all going to be great. It's like two movies in a way, one is just a thriller than someone like George Clooney would star in and the other is all these Bond tropes and homages. None of the set pieces really stand out. Even Silva's ridiculous plan in Skyfall stands out for having some oomph to it. I kind of expected a On Her Majesty's Secret Service homage at the end, but I guess the snowy mountain resort reminded me of Bloefeld's place in that film. {Spoiler}There really wasn't a point to Monica Bellucci's character. I thought maybe she'd come back or hoped Felix would say something, but I didn't read Jeffrey Wright filming any scenes so I didn't expect him to show up. They've killed her character type in the previous films, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall. It is different, but they literally didn't do anything at all here with her.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 11, 2015 19:27:19 GMT -5
So I went to see this today for my Day Off due to Veteran's Day Movie Doubleheader. I went and saw this and Peanuts. I loved this movie. The opening song I wasn't too keen on, but it'll probably grow on me. {Spoiler}When they introduced "C", there was part of me that was like, "I don't trust this little cock sucker." And then later on, I thought he might be the big baddie. But he was still part of Spectre, so I was okay with it.
Bautisa as Mr. Hinx was AWESOME!!! Why has he not been a Bond Villain before this?!! He reminded me of a much bigger, more badass Oddjob.
I really thought Q was gonna die in the Alps. I was like, "No! Not Q! I like him!!"
I really didn't have a favorite Bond girl. That is until Lea Seydoux as Madeleine Swann. Mmmm, so delicious.
I wonder if I'm the only one who saw Spectre's logo and instantly thought, "HAIL HYDRA!" I'm torn between this and Skyfall as my favorite Bond movie. Skyfall is probably still my favorite, with this being a close second, and Casino Royale being a close third.
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Post by salz4life on Nov 11, 2015 19:47:42 GMT -5
I loved this movie. I thought Batista was awesome!!!
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 11, 2015 19:52:01 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Mmmm, Swann.
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Post by Woo on Nov 11, 2015 20:00:44 GMT -5
It was much better than Skyfall but still a below average Bond. My ranking goes like this:
1. Thunderball 2. Casino Royale 3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 4. The Spy Who Loved Me 5. Goldfinger 6. From Russia With Love 7. The Living Daylights 8. Goldeneye 9. License to Kill 10. Live and Let Die 11. Tomorrow Never Dies 12. Dr. No 13. The World is Not Enough 14. Spectre 15. For Your Eyes Only 16. Moonraker 17. Skyfall 18. Octopussy 19. You Only Live Twice 20. The Man with the Golden Gun 21. A View to a Kill 22. Die Another Day 23. Quantum of Solace 24. Diamonds are Forever
What was annoying about Spectre is that it starts of incredible and the first two thirds are fantastic, but it all unravels from just after Batista's exit really. Blofeld's reveal and motivation are awful too and C's exit is terrible.
I think the problem is Sam Mendes. He's trying so hard to make the films into indie arthouse flicks with beautiful shots (the opening tracking shot and the one with Monica Bellucci are sublime) that he's forgetting to make a Bond flick. Or in actual fact I think he simply doesn't respect or like the Bond franchise. He's treated the Bond girls in both his films like such an afterthought and I wouldn't be surprised if either them or Batista were forced upon him by the studio in an attempt to stick to the Bond formula. The romance with Swann in this film was laughably shallow too.
But my biggest gripe is that it's taking four damn films to tell Bond's origin story when one would have done fine.
Casino Royale was a prequel but one which still stuck to the Bond formula. It had the villain with the gimmick deformity, the beautiful Bond girls with Vesper being the best in the whole series, the martini's and the exotic locations. Besides Q and Moneypenny the only thing it lacked was the 'Bond. James Bond' line because in this film while he is 007 he isn't quite James Bond yet. Then in the final scene he finally utters the words and becomes James Bond! Okay with the prequel out the way it's time to have a proper Bond flick!
Not so fast! QoS has many, many problems including the worst editing I have ever seen in a major movie, but I hated the fact we got a SECOND prequel movie that simply was not needed! After a wafer thin plot in which the film plods on doing nothing at all it ends and resolves the Vesper plot that didn't need any resolving at all. It does also introduce villain organisation Quantum too which is intriguing. Okay with the second prequel out the way it's time to have a proper Bond flick!
Not so fast! Okay Skyfall seems like it's a proper film but it still doesn't introduce us to Moneypenny or the new M until the very end and it is the first to bring back Q. The whole Quantum thing is dropped but I don't mind that Goldfinger gave Spectre a rest before Thunderball picked up the thread later too. What does make no sense, aside from plot holes and continuity errors that hurt my brain when I give this film more thought, is everyone saying Bond is washed up... wait I thought these were all at the start of his career like the ending seemed to imply? What the hell? Anyway with Q, M and Moneypenny all on board and the three prequels are done and we can have a proper Bond flick!
Not so fast! Nope, we need another film about Vesper, Le Chiffe, Dench's M, Silva (who supposedly is tied to Spectre via retconning and meaning that nope Skyfall is not a stand-alone Bond flick but tied into this prequel bullshit too) and Mr White's dying and Quantum has been dropped altogether without mentioning how the hell they were tied into Spectre at all. Thanks a lot! Was this needed? Did he need to Bond go rogue yet again? So you'd think with 4 damn prequels done now it'd be time for Bond to start actually y'know be Bond but the ending here seems to suggest he's left the secret service altogether which to me is Sam Mendes selfishly going "that's me done! Let's let the next director write himself out of this tangled mess I've left him in!"
I just want a proper Bond film where M gives Bond a mission, he flirts with Moneypenny, Q gives him a gadget and he's off in the field bedding beautiful women, fighting crazy henchmen, doing crazy stunts and having dinner with the villains in their amazing lair. Is that really too much to ask?
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 12, 2015 0:59:34 GMT -5
If they wanted Casino Royale to be a reboot of the Bond character, they should have made him a much younger character, freshly recruited from the Royal Navy into MI6. That way they could have used the same actor for many movies and showing him progressively getting more jaded as each movie passes. They could have a storyline where the younger 007 is mentored by an older 00-agent, who eventually betrays Britain to become the head of SPECTRE I mentioned in a previous post. That would set up a more personal rivalry and a desire for Bond to bring down the organisation that he feels a personal hatred towards. That would explain why Bond lives the lifestyle he lives. He learns not to get personally attached to anyone. He could die at any time. Just drink, smoke, bang women, and focus on the mission.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Nov 18, 2015 8:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Nov 18, 2015 19:17:30 GMT -5
The amount of people who have gone mental over this is ridiculous. I saw someone actually say that because Pierce Brosnan was in the worst Bond movie (Die Another Day) he shouldn't have an opinion on whether or not a Bond movie is good. 1) Brosnan didn't write the script nor did he direct Die Another Day. If anything he was the best part about it. How he managed to get through Halle Berry's horrendous dialogue I'll never know. 2) If anyone deserves to have an opinion on a Bond movie, it should be Pierce Brosnan since he WAS actually James Bond at one point! I agree with Brosnan in that Spectre was a bit too long and could've used a tighter script. The story itself was actually good, but it didn't have that oomph to it that Skyfall did. Maybe lean back on the fanservice as well. Not that I hate it, but I just feel like it's holding the writers back in a way. Aside from the traditional Bond elements, the Bond series aren't really the kind of movies to reference themselves.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Nov 24, 2015 17:15:12 GMT -5
and now I HAVE SEEN IT! yeah in spoilers {Spoiler}and it was kinda ..... FLAT for my liking, not having the over the top threat from the previous ventures, and once AGAIN it felt like a different type of movie from the other craig bonds!!! more a political thriller than an action adventure, my biggest bug bear was the LACK OR ORIGINALITY ..... all three secondary villains fell in one way of t'other and the whole base-in-the-crater was almost a wasted opportunity, although that torture bond endured was nasty ..... but to have waltz survive was a bit of a boon as for him he was magnetic and ever whispering, playing a "mousetrap" game with bond, ever knowing and superintelligent ..... almost blows it by not showing how he got the scar, back to the shoot a valve of the power plant and everything goes boom nonsense! great idea for that by the way, back to the old style evil lair for bond villians hinx though was a mountain with a brain character and had that "i see you" joke with bond, his entrance was beautiful and if it wasn't for madalaine "i hate guns" swann he would have handed bonds's white tuxedo'd ASS to him, and say bon voyage ..... and nice jaws riff too the pre-credits was as always excellent, superbly executed and pleasantly surprised at there being THREE helicopter twirls and the ending sequence was damn good too, except for one point, couldn't work out waltz's thinking ..... was it to actually kill bond or to make him make THAT choice, because the net was placed there for a reason! and ties in to his smugness as he left ..... but really S.P.E.C.T.R.E. really are a bunch of bastards aren't they but the good work done was almost 'quantum'd' by the non fate of LUCIA, the utter pointlessness of waltz's butler ..... no not the buff one, the speccy doorman , ELVIS from QoS was of more use and hinx's double barreled hand cannon didn't even get a mention of a nice shot, it was just there and he used it twice, and C's demise was the weakest of the three! too many things were the same from the previous movies, but always happy to see them riffing on them also, the whole thing needed more sharpness and tidying up but other than that, another glodetrotting adventure game for my man james bond, and now the '00' is back in business ..... why have one? SEVEN AND HALF OUT OF TEN is the score and the third best daniel craig bond for me, i MIGHT see this again in the cinema oh and a great selection of trailers before it too, THE REVENANT, IN THE HEART OF THE SEA and THE FORCE AWAKENS too, was hoping that would be shown now i'm off to get the broccoli's phone number to pitch my ideas for the 25th .....
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 3, 2016 15:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Jan 3, 2016 16:15:04 GMT -5
if he does then {Spoiler}Blowfeld prison break and Lea Seydou gets killed
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 3, 2016 16:22:47 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Maybe they could borrow elements from the original You Only Live Twice novel? It was designed at the end of it's publication to be a finale for Bond
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2016 18:12:47 GMT -5
{Spoiler}It makes me feel like a spy
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