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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 2, 2014 1:03:26 GMT -5
"I'm not out of touch, some people say I'm out of touch but they're just critics." Solid deflection. I would love a "director's commentary" version of tonight's Raw with Vince explaining the decisions behind that show and try not to sound out of touch. I love Vince's logic, too. "Critics say I'm out of touch but I'm not out of touch because I SAY I'M NOT OUT OF TOUCH!!!!" Vince would totally be able to say "the pen is red" with ZERO problem.
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Post by bmfjules on Dec 2, 2014 1:03:57 GMT -5
Haven't read through the entire thread, but did anyone else catch a sly (probably unintentional) disrespecting of Triple H when Vince answered that there was no one in today's WWE like Jim Ross who had his ability to communicate directly with talent.... IF I'm not mistaken the job that JR had has not been eliminated and is currently being held by the aforementioned Mr. Haitch....so by all means there SHOULD be someone with said skills utilizing them in the same capacity that JR did. That thing got split into 3 or 4 other jobs and had more stuff crammed under it. If you want title for title Hunter does have JR's old job title as a part of his current though. Given how much bigger the company is (as was mentioned in the show, with them having gone from Vince and Patterson booking poolside to a crew of 20 something writers) this seems to be as good of an explanation to how things got to be the way they are as we are likely to get. Of course with that much more "middle management" direct communication with the actual wrestlers becomes a real pain in the ass...
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 2, 2014 1:10:05 GMT -5
Oh these Millennials! They just don't know how to go out there and grab the brass ring!
I didn't run anyone out of business! Verne screwed Verne!
Did I listen to it? Oh God NO! You know, he used a lot of foul language!
I'm not out of touch! Only critics say that!
I listen to the fans! Want to tell me something? Come to the shows!
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 2, 2014 1:11:07 GMT -5
Unless I missed it, even given the "hard-hitting" way Austin brought up Punk, Savage and the writing, anyone else notice something that was never brought up? Like, something that became a big deal, fairly quickly?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 2, 2014 1:13:06 GMT -5
Unless I missed it, even given the "hard-hitting" way Austin brought up Punk, Savage and the writing, anyone else notice something that was never brought up? Like, something that became a big deal, fairly quickly? Vince may have told Austin not to bring it up due to the non-disparagement agreement. Vince may not have wanted to chance saying something he shouldn't about Del Rio. Of course it's possible Austin plain didn't think to ask him about Del Rio.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 2, 2014 1:18:00 GMT -5
Unless I missed it, even given the "hard-hitting" way Austin brought up Punk, Savage and the writing, anyone else notice something that was never brought up? Like, something that became a big deal, fairly quickly? I'm sure the agreement with WWE and Del Rio worked both ways where WWE can't talk about it either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 1:25:57 GMT -5
This podcast is kinda proof that Vince probably shouldn't do podcasts anymore.
I'm sure it was entertaining in a MST3K kind of way, but some of the sentiments he expressed was just mind-bogglingly absurd.
I know this wasn't a counterpoint to Punk's podcast, but between the two, Punk at least came off more grounded and sympathetic.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 2, 2014 1:27:03 GMT -5
Besides,i don't think many people care about Del Rio
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 2, 2014 1:35:14 GMT -5
This podcast is kinda proof that Vince probably shouldn't do podcasts anymore. I'm sure it was entertaining in a MST3K kind of way, but some of the sentiments he expressed was just mind-bogglingly absurd. I know this wasn't a counterpoint to Punk's podcast, but between the two, Punk at least came off more grounded and sympathetic. Some of his responses were obviously in the "What?" category, but I thought his comments about Punk in particular were more than fair. Vince admitted that they made a mistake with the termination papers, apologized, and was even nice in calling Punk a loner. I'm sure Punk will reply on the Q&A podcast, but it was far better than what we were expecting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 1:37:37 GMT -5
This podcast is kinda proof that Vince probably shouldn't do podcasts anymore. I'm sure it was entertaining in a MST3K kind of way, but some of the sentiments he expressed was just mind-bogglingly absurd. I know this wasn't a counterpoint to Punk's podcast, but between the two, Punk at least came off more grounded and sympathetic. Some of his responses were obviously in the "What?" category, but I thought his comments about Punk in particular were more than fair. Vince admitted that they made a mistake with the termination papers, apologized, and was even nice in calling Punk a loner. I'm sure Punk will reply on the Q&A podcast, but it was far better than what we were expecting. For sure, I didn't mean to imply Vince was non-stop crazy, but some of crazier things people just assumed he thought or read about in the dirt sheets were kinda confirmed here.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 2, 2014 1:40:03 GMT -5
I've always liked Vince, and this made me like him even more.
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Post by Error on Dec 2, 2014 1:46:48 GMT -5
I do wonder, if you area any of the guys in the back, how in the hell do you show up to Smackdown tomorrow? First Vince tells ya to not step on any toes, don't piss anyone off and then curses an entire generation for not having the balls to try and take over. Even if you're Ambrose, Wyatt, Rollins or Reigns, the only ones I guess he can remember to be honest, I don't see how you can try and move up the card.
For all the shit piled on Hunter, he seems to be looking for someone to step up, either prove him wrong or prove him right. Just looking at the Shield guys and what he did for them this year, even Bryan and Brie. As an aside, I think the NXT guys have it different a guy like Punk did because their success looks good on Hunter where someone like Punk who came in one or two regimes ago does nothing for him.
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Post by Shark on Dec 2, 2014 1:57:16 GMT -5
Yeah cause Lesnar needed to beat Taker to become a star... I think that the train of thought was more in that knowing the deteriorating state of Undertaker's health and the small crop of REALISTIC people to have him face at Mania and beat him, Vince realized that instead of having someone beat Undertaker to become a star, they could use a middle man. You have Lesnar beat Undertaker, then whoever beats Lesnar, is a made man. Because it took a monster to end the Streak. How badass is the guy who takes down the monster then going to be? I think that was the line of thinking and I do agree with it, in so far as the guy that beats Lesnar is not Cena or Orton.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 2, 2014 2:05:05 GMT -5
Also, though I think Vince handled the Punk thing about as well as he possibly could, the wedding day termination and the creative disagreements are small turkey compared to the near fatal staph infection he was working with. To go with the questions on why Austin didn't (and likely couldn't) ask about Del Rio's claims due to their non-disparagement agreement, this is likely tied into a similar reason: Punk did say that he had a clause in his settlement where he could not sue the WWE or their medical staff for malpractice over his staph infection/concussions- so it's likely the same clause probably meant that Vince couldn't remark either way about Punk's medical issues either (and considering Austin's career being ended in large part due to his neck woes, the tone of the Punk discussion and how Austin and Vince compared Punk to Austin likely means if Austin legally could have discussed it, he would have.)
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Post by bearned on Dec 2, 2014 2:23:01 GMT -5
Yeah cause Lesnar needed to beat Taker to become a star... I think that the train of thought was more in that knowing the deteriorating state of Undertaker's health and the small crop of REALISTIC people to have him face at Mania and beat him, Vince realized that instead of having someone beat Undertaker to become a star, they could use a middle man. You have Lesnar beat Undertaker, then whoever beats Lesnar, is a made man. Because it took a monster to end the Streak. How badass is the guy who takes down the monster then going to be? I think that was the line of thinking and I do agree with it, in so far as the guy that beats Lesnar is not Cena or Orton. I think it was a bit of a cop-out. They could easily have 'made' someone (for arguments sake say Cesaro since they spoke about him on the podcast) by having them face Taker, take him to the limit and almost get it done but have Taker keep the streak.. The night after have Taker come out and say after that match, he realizes it's time to pass the torch to that guy. I can see why they went down the Brock route but I think for something so huge, they could have put over someone who wasn't already a legit badass former UFC champion?
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Post by Error on Dec 2, 2014 2:24:38 GMT -5
Just noticed Bray 2 is up for the Tuesday show. So Vince would be next week if it goes up at all I'd guess.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Dec 2, 2014 2:36:27 GMT -5
Just noticed Bray 2 is up for the Tuesday show. So Vince would be next week if it goes up at all I'd guess. I'm under the impression that it's exclusive to the Network and won't be included with the other podcast episodes.
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Post by Clawley Race on Dec 2, 2014 2:48:22 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are going to disagree with what I'm about to say, but I'll say it anyway. If this is a boxing match, I score the first round in favor of Vince McMahon. CM Punk ranted and raved and aired all of his grievances, burned the bridge then pissed on the ashes. Vince McMahon responds by saying he hopes to someday work with Punk in the future. Like I said earlier, given all that's been thrown at the WWE since last week, the grace that McMahon showed there was overwhelmingly impressive. I feel like the person who who is in demand and could come back and work if he wanted to is the one "winning."
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Post by Error on Dec 2, 2014 2:59:16 GMT -5
Just noticed Bray 2 is up for the Tuesday show. So Vince would be next week if it goes up at all I'd guess. I'm under the impression that it's exclusive to the Network and won't be included with the other podcast episodes. He mentioned at the start this was going to be on his Podcast One show (and they used the Tuesday show logo) and said on Twitter it would be on there for download.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Dec 2, 2014 3:03:31 GMT -5
I am also one of those folk who genuinely like Vince. Sure, he's definitely done some questionable things and I get that, but when I met him and whenever I've heard him outside of storyline, I've always been impressed and he's one of those type of people that would be awesome to spend some time with and just chat with.
I found this podcast to be milquetoast. While I get that Vince has to maintain a certain sort of "dignity" due to his position in the company, I agree with the critical opinions of the interview. It was clearly whitewashed and Vince knew what was coming each and every time. Even the hardball questions seemed to be dodged or glossed over in a disingenuous way. It'd have been nice to have it unfiltered, but I knew we wouldnt get that going in. Its almost incredible how oblivious he came across at times.
I think this may be the first time I've heard Vince speak in public with terms like "over" and "heel" etc. In that respect it was fascinating.
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