Roman Reigns is Superstar of the Year

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Dec 8, 2014 23:37:36 GMT -5 Starshine said:

I think this is a pretty accurate representation of what WWE is going to be like over the next year.

Seeing this caused me to think about something for a bit.

So, I'm over here imagining Cena from 2005-2014 and then the feuds he's been in. The wins, loses, matches, time on the mic, presence, company booking him, you know the works. I can honestly say that while it's been bad, I've always been somewhat confident that Cena would at least keep the feud at a decent "level" and that he could handle it. Even in the beginning I use to think "let's see what Cena can do with it" or "wow Cena's going to do well here" or even "crap well here's Cena feuding with this guy, I wish he wasn't, I'm tired of Cena but at least I know what to expect" or even "dammit Cena again f***, let's hope he can carry this guy to a good match" and that's basically been my mindset on Cena for the past 10 years.

With Reigns though....

I'm not feeling it, at all. It's like something is hollow. I can't imagine Reigns in all these feuds for 10 years, I can't imagine him on the mic for 10 years, I can't imagine Reigns holding the company on his back for 10 years and I can't imagine the "uniqueness" that Reigns can bring for 10 years.

See, this is something I can imagine with Cena, Rock, Austin, HBK, Bret, Taker, Foley, shit even Triple H, Orton, Jericho, whatever.

I just cannot imagine it with Reigns no matter how hard I try. I don't even want to dislike Reigns, I don't dislike him. I just think he's really not the guy for this right now. Even if the guy improves (and he will) something will always tell me "this doesn't feel right" and I hate that.

[gnr123]

Dec 9, 2014 0:07:24 GMT -5 Just call me D.j.m. said:

And people still think Roman vs. Lesnar isn't gonna happen.

I hope it doesn't. I like Roman, I think he has potential, he's just clearly not there yet. He needs a lot of work on his mic work. His selling needs to be much better. I say let someone else beat Lesnar, save Reigns big win for WM 31. I fear that, if they push him to face with little room for improvement, we could end up with another "big deal, fairly quickly, type push. With WWE having no clue how to follow up. Let him work on his ring/mic work, and give him a big in next year. I feel like this injury may have depleted some of his overness, and he's been out during the time he should have been improving.

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Dec 9, 2014 0:15:08 GMT -5 @kn said:

Dec 8, 2014 23:37:36 GMT -5 Starshine said:

I think this is a pretty accurate representation of what WWE is going to be like over the next year.

Seeing this caused me to think about something for a bit.

So, I'm over here imagining Cena from 2005-2014 and then the feuds he's been in. The wins, loses, matches, time on the mic, presence, company booking him, you know the works. I can honestly say that while it's been bad, I've always been somewhat confident that Cena would at least keep the feud at a decent "level" and that he could handle it. Even in the beginning I use to think "let's see what Cena can do with it" or "wow Cena's going to do well here" or even "crap well here's Cena feuding with this guy, I wish he wasn't, I'm tired of Cena but at least I know what to expect" or even "dammit Cena again f***, let's hope he can carry this guy to a good match" and that's basically been my mindset on Cena for the past 10 years.

With Reigns though....

I'm not feeling it, at all. It's like something is hollow. I can't imagine Reigns in all these feuds for 10 years, I can't imagine him on the mic for 10 years, I can't imagine Reigns holding the company on his back for 10 years and I can't imagine the "uniqueness" that Reigns can bring for 10 years.

See, this is something I can imagine with Cena, Rock, Austin, HBK, Bret, Taker, Foley, shit even Triple H, Orton, Jericho, whatever.

I just cannot imagine it with Reigns no matter how hard I try. I don't even want to dislike Reigns, I don't dislike him. I just think he's really not the guy for this right now. Even if the guy improves (and he will) something will always tell me "this doesn't feel right" and I hate that.

To be honest I can't really seen anyone past or present to last as long as Cena for being the top guy outside of maybe Hogan. And Hogan only lasted so long in the 80's was because they didn't have the same amount of TV coverage as they do now. Bret Hart almost came close but the moment he started getting boo'd they turned him heel and gave the spotlight to the newer fresher guy getting over Stone Cold something they won't do with Cena. They aren't so sensitive with their top guy being boo'd anymore

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Dec 9, 2014 0:17:54 GMT -5 gnr123 said:

Dec 9, 2014 0:07:24 GMT -5 Just call me D.j.m. said:

And people still think Roman vs. Lesnar isn't gonna happen.

I hope it doesn't. I like Roman, I think he has potential, he's just clearly not there yet. He needs a lot of work on his mic work. His selling needs to be much better. I say let someone else beat Lesnar, save Reigns big win for WM 31. I fear that, if they push him to face with little room for improvement, we could end up with another "big deal, fairly quickly, type push. With WWE having no clue how to follow up. Let him work on his ring/mic work, and give him a big in next year. I feel like this injury may have depleted some of his overness, and he's been out during the time he should have been improving.

This is what's bothered me most. The already limited window of time they had to get him "ready" has been cut short by this injury yet there are no signs of them adjusting their plans accordingly.

[Tom Turkey]

A good return angle for Roman wouldn't be to rush him right the f*** into the Lesnar title thing. Have him face off against Rusev, leading to him being the one that hands the big bad foreign heel his first actual loss.

[Starshine]

Dec 9, 2014 0:15:08 GMT -5 @kn said:

Dec 8, 2014 23:37:36 GMT -5 Starshine said:

I think this is a pretty accurate representation of what WWE is going to be like over the next year.

Seeing this caused me to think about something for a bit.

So, I'm over here imagining Cena from 2005-2014 and then the feuds he's been in. The wins, loses, matches, time on the mic, presence, company booking him, you know the works. I can honestly say that while it's been bad, I've always been somewhat confident that Cena would at least keep the feud at a decent "level" and that he could handle it. Even in the beginning I use to think "let's see what Cena can do with it" or "wow Cena's going to do well here" or even "crap well here's Cena feuding with this guy, I wish he wasn't, I'm tired of Cena but at least I know what to expect" or even "dammit Cena again f***, let's hope he can carry this guy to a good match" and that's basically been my mindset on Cena for the past 10 years.

With Reigns though....

I'm not feeling it, at all. It's like something is hollow. I can't imagine Reigns in all these feuds for 10 years, I can't imagine him on the mic for 10 years, I can't imagine Reigns holding the company on his back for 10 years and I can't imagine the "uniqueness" that Reigns can bring for 10 years.

See, this is something I can imagine with Cena, Rock, Austin, HBK, Bret, Taker, Foley, shit even Triple H, Orton, Jericho, whatever.

I just cannot imagine it with Reigns no matter how hard I try. I don't even want to dislike Reigns, I don't dislike him. I just think he's really not the guy for this right now. Even if the guy improves (and he will) something will always tell me "this doesn't feel right" and I hate that.

I get it.

To me Reigns feels a lot like what WWE tried to do when they pushed Diesel and Orton to the top. It wasn't so much they were being pushed because they were the right guy for the position, so much as they were pushed because WWE wanted them to be the right guy in the position. Like I'm not bothered by the idea that Reigns will probably be main eventing in the future. My problem how WWE have seemingly tried to push him over and above everyone else despite these other people working just as hard, if not harder and being equally as over and arguably more capable and experienced than Reigns. But WWE has decided that Reigns is the guy despite all that. Sure he's popular with the fans, but they've also given him every opportunity to get over. He didn't have a character or strong personality so he clung to already over the Shield gimmick after they broke up. They've had him go over a large number of main event guys already including pinfalls on (in their eyes) 'God of Wrestling' Triple H. It's hard not to see why he'd be over. But who is Roman Reigns? What is his character? He's currently just some guy who's related to the Rock and wears SWAT gear. I describe to anyone who Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose are. IMO Reigns just isn't quite all there even from a character standpoint which is problematic considering how character heavy WWE is.

[thegame415]

A year ago, didn't the Internet like Reigns?

I still think he would've benefited from a big heel run, followed by a push similar to Batista.

Another idea: what if they turned Paul Heyman face and paired him with Roman. Maybe Heyman walks to the entrance way, does his my name is spiel, then introduces Roman. Heyman leaves as he want the attention on only Roman.

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Dec 9, 2014 0:20:56 GMT -5 @supersweetbotch said:

Dec 9, 2014 0:15:08 GMT -5 @kn said:

Seeing this caused me to think about something for a bit.

So, I'm over here imagining Cena from 2005-2014 and then the feuds he's been in. The wins, loses, matches, time on the mic, presence, company booking him, you know the works. I can honestly say that while it's been bad, I've always been somewhat confident that Cena would at least keep the feud at a decent "level" and that he could handle it. Even in the beginning I use to think "let's see what Cena can do with it" or "wow Cena's going to do well here" or even "crap well here's Cena feuding with this guy, I wish he wasn't, I'm tired of Cena but at least I know what to expect" or even "dammit Cena again f***, let's hope he can carry this guy to a good match" and that's basically been my mindset on Cena for the past 10 years.

With Reigns though....

I'm not feeling it, at all. It's like something is hollow. I can't imagine Reigns in all these feuds for 10 years, I can't imagine him on the mic for 10 years, I can't imagine Reigns holding the company on his back for 10 years and I can't imagine the "uniqueness" that Reigns can bring for 10 years.

See, this is something I can imagine with Cena, Rock, Austin, HBK, Bret, Taker, Foley, shit even Triple H, Orton, Jericho, whatever.

I just cannot imagine it with Reigns no matter how hard I try. I don't even want to dislike Reigns, I don't dislike him. I just think he's really not the guy for this right now. Even if the guy improves (and he will) something will always tell me "this doesn't feel right" and I hate that.

To be honest I can't really seen anyone past or present to last as long as Cena for being the top guy outside of maybe Hogan. And Hogan only lasted so long in the 80's was because they didn't have the same amount of TV coverage as they do now. Bret Hart almost came close but the moment he started getting boo'd they turned him heel and gave the spotlight to the newer fresher guy getting over Stone Cold something they won't do with Cena. They aren't so sensitive with their top guy being boo'd anymore

I can't see anyone lasting that long either, at all hence why they need multiple guys to carry the load so once someone is done they can switch to another for a bit. It should be common sense but this is the WWE we're talking about.

Dec 9, 2014 0:27:11 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Dec 9, 2014 0:15:08 GMT -5 @kn said:

Seeing this caused me to think about something for a bit.

So, I'm over here imagining Cena from 2005-2014 and then the feuds he's been in. The wins, loses, matches, time on the mic, presence, company booking him, you know the works. I can honestly say that while it's been bad, I've always been somewhat confident that Cena would at least keep the feud at a decent "level" and that he could handle it. Even in the beginning I use to think "let's see what Cena can do with it" or "wow Cena's going to do well here" or even "crap well here's Cena feuding with this guy, I wish he wasn't, I'm tired of Cena but at least I know what to expect" or even "dammit Cena again f***, let's hope he can carry this guy to a good match" and that's basically been my mindset on Cena for the past 10 years.

With Reigns though....

I'm not feeling it, at all. It's like something is hollow. I can't imagine Reigns in all these feuds for 10 years, I can't imagine him on the mic for 10 years, I can't imagine Reigns holding the company on his back for 10 years and I can't imagine the "uniqueness" that Reigns can bring for 10 years.

See, this is something I can imagine with Cena, Rock, Austin, HBK, Bret, Taker, Foley, shit even Triple H, Orton, Jericho, whatever.

I just cannot imagine it with Reigns no matter how hard I try. I don't even want to dislike Reigns, I don't dislike him. I just think he's really not the guy for this right now. Even if the guy improves (and he will) something will always tell me "this doesn't feel right" and I hate that.

I get it.

To me Reigns feels a lot like what WWE tried to do when they pushed Diesel and Orton to the top. It wasn't so much they were being pushed because they were the right guy for the position, so much as they were pushed because WWE wanted them to be the right guy in the position. Like I'm not bothered by the idea that Reigns will probably be main eventing in the future. My problem how WWE have seemingly tried to push him over and above everyone else despite these other people working just as hard, if not harder and being equally as over and arguably more capable and experienced than Reigns. But WWE has decided that Reigns is the guy despite all that. Sure he's popular with the fans, but they've also given him every opportunity to get over. He didn't have a character or strong personality so he clung to already over the Shield gimmick after they broke up. They've had him go over a large number of main event guys already including pinfalls on (in their eyes) 'God of Wrestling' Triple H. It's hard not to see why he'd be over. But who is Roman Reigns? What is his character? He's currently just some guy who's related to the Rock and wears SWAT gear. I describe to anyone who Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose are. IMO Reigns just isn't quite all there even from a character standpoint which is problematic considering how character heavy WWE is.

You're right. I can't say "man Reigns is this-" because I don't really see it. I can't tell you who Reigns is. I can't tell you what wants to do, I can't tell you how the guy's personality is but I can tell you what the company wants him to be based on the angle. This isn't a good thing because even someone like Diesel, I could tell the kind of guy they were portraying him as. Reigns though, nah, I just can't fathom it.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Roman Reigns has a massive problem. It's something that could really derail his career if he doesn't take care of it soon.

...He's trying to turn his swag down but he can't.

[AFN: Judge Shred]

I like Reigns a lot, I really do. But he should be on SNL, he is a "not ready for prime time player" if there ever was one. He can get there, he has the tools. His biggest issues to me are these two:

1. He can't promo very well. He is hell of charismatic, and when he talks natural, that shines. Listen to him on the Giant Bomb Powerbomb cast. He did a great job for the first half of the interview before he obviously got emotionally tired. Stop the grunting, stop the "Belleedat" and just have him talk (oddly, one of my main issues with Cena as well). Let him be a humble, quiet, beast.

2. His move set is so very limited, not just in number, but in situation. Almost everything is a running strike. He has the Samoan drop, but that is a reverse to a guy trying to do a running strike on him. He needs some grapples and holds. A guy like Lesnar would eat his damn move set for breakfast.

Let him develop in these two ways and he will be so much better.

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Hearing this (having felt absolutely no desire to watch tonight)... Yeah, I think I'm taking a break for awhile. Was already kind of feeling a huge wave of disinterest the past few days, but I think that just summarizes that the company is going in a direction that I don't think is going to work out and I am not interested in seeing, so I'm just going to calmly step away until I feel the desire to watch again whenever that is.

Dec 9, 2014 0:56:25 GMT -5 AFN: Judge Shred said:

I like Reigns a lot, I really do. But he should be on SNL, he is a "not ready for prime time player" if there ever was one. He can get there, he has the tools. His biggest issues to me are these two:

1. He can't promo very well. He is hell of charismatic, and when he talks natural, that shines. Listen to him on the Giant Bomb Powerbomb cast. He did a great job for the first half of the interview before he obviously got emotionally tired. Stop the grunting, stop the "Belleedat" and just have him talk (oddly, one of my main issues with Cena as well). Let him be a humble, quiet, beast.

2. His move set is so very limited, not just in number, but in situation. Almost everything is a running strike. He has the Samoan drop, but that is a reverse to a guy trying to do a running strike on him. He needs some grapples and holds. A guy like Lesnar would eat his damn move set for breakfast.

Let him develop in these two ways and he will be so much better.

Right. He's got a lot of potential and there's talent there, but rushing him to the main event scene is going to do nothing but expose his already very apparent flaws. Cena wasn't ready for the main event scene when he hit it either, but at least he was already great on the mic, the crowd reactions for it were organic, and he was moving merch, plus he had people like Michaels, Angle, and Jericho to work with to help him learn on the job. Reigns just doesn't have those same conditions right now so it'd be better to wait, give him a big moment at Mania but not anything huge (I say have him retire Lesnar after he drops the title at the Rumble, or have him face Triple H), and if he's ready by SummerSlam, give him the title there.

[AFN: Judge Shred]

Dec 9, 2014 0:59:22 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Hearing this (having felt absolutely no desire to watch tonight)... Yeah, I think I'm taking a break for awhile. Was already kind of feeling a huge wave of disinterest the past few days, but I think that just summarizes that the company is going in a direction that I don't think is going to work out and I am not interested in seeing, so I'm just going to calmly step away until I feel the desire to watch again whenever that is.

Dec 9, 2014 0:56:25 GMT -5 AFN: Judge Shred said:

I like Reigns a lot, I really do. But he should be on SNL, he is a "not ready for prime time player" if there ever was one. He can get there, he has the tools. His biggest issues to me are these two:

1. He can't promo very well. He is hell of charismatic, and when he talks natural, that shines. Listen to him on the Giant Bomb Powerbomb cast. He did a great job for the first half of the interview before he obviously got emotionally tired. Stop the grunting, stop the "Belleedat" and just have him talk (oddly, one of my main issues with Cena as well). Let him be a humble, quiet, beast.

2. His move set is so very limited, not just in number, but in situation. Almost everything is a running strike. He has the Samoan drop, but that is a reverse to a guy trying to do a running strike on him. He needs some grapples and holds. A guy like Lesnar would eat his damn move set for breakfast.

Let him develop in these two ways and he will be so much better.

Right. He's got a lot of potential and there's talent there, but rushing him to the main event scene is going to do nothing but expose his already very apparent flaws. Cena wasn't ready for the main event scene when he hit it either, but at least he was already great on the mic, the crowd reactions for it were organic, and he was moving merch, plus he had people like Michaels, Angle, and Jericho to work with to help him learn on the job. Reigns just doesn't have those same conditions right now so it'd be better to wait, give him a big moment at Mania but not anything huge (I say have him retire Lesnar after he drops the title at the Rumble, or have him face Triple H), and if he's ready by SummerSlam, give him the title there.

There are only two guys on the roster who they should even entertain taking the belt of Lesnar, and that is Ambrose and Ziggler. We do not need another match with Cena, and there are no other faces even close at this rate.

[Just call me D.j.m.]

Just so everyone is ready, I'm calling it now. It was Flibbity.

"We need to make sure Roman looks strong" is well on its way to becoming the new "LOLCENAWINS".

[The Portable Stove]

I'm just wondering what exactly Roman Reigns accomplished this year that warranted him being Superstar of the Year in kayfabe, other than breaking Kane's record at the Royal Rumble.

Like, imagine if he hadn't had the appearance at Survivor Series. Out of the mind's eye "Oh yeah, also, this guy on the shelf is the best this year. BELEE DAT"

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Dec 9, 2014 1:05:42 GMT -5 AFN: Judge Shred said:

Dec 9, 2014 0:59:22 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Hearing this (having felt absolutely no desire to watch tonight)... Yeah, I think I'm taking a break for awhile. Was already kind of feeling a huge wave of disinterest the past few days, but I think that just summarizes that the company is going in a direction that I don't think is going to work out and I am not interested in seeing, so I'm just going to calmly step away until I feel the desire to watch again whenever that is.

Right. He's got a lot of potential and there's talent there, but rushing him to the main event scene is going to do nothing but expose his already very apparent flaws. Cena wasn't ready for the main event scene when he hit it either, but at least he was already great on the mic, the crowd reactions for it were organic, and he was moving merch, plus he had people like Michaels, Angle, and Jericho to work with to help him learn on the job. Reigns just doesn't have those same conditions right now so it'd be better to wait, give him a big moment at Mania but not anything huge (I say have him retire Lesnar after he drops the title at the Rumble, or have him face Triple H), and if he's ready by SummerSlam, give him the title there.

There are only two guys on the roster who they should even entertain taking the belt of Lesnar, and that is Ambrose and Ziggler. We do not need another match with Cena, and there are no other faces even close at this rate.

I agree, but I think the important thing is Lesnar needs to drop the title. Have Cena lose the title shot leading to someone else getting it, have him win and have Rollins immediately cash in on him, whatever.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

Oh good there is nothing that can go wrong with this blatant and overly forced road we're going down with Reigns.

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Dec 8, 2014 23:17:18 GMT -5 stealthamo said:

Dec 8, 2014 23:08:07 GMT -5 Hobby Drifter said:

Where's that CM Punk corpsing gif when you need it?

Alberto just looks bored out of his mind.

[Some Guy]

I still think Big E is better, and he was extremely over at the start of 2014. Sighhhh.

[AFN: Judge Shred]

Dec 9, 2014 1:09:59 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Dec 9, 2014 1:05:42 GMT -5 AFN: Judge Shred said:

There are only two guys on the roster who they should even entertain taking the belt of Lesnar, and that is Ambrose and Ziggler. We do not need another match with Cena, and there are no other faces even close at this rate.

I agree, but I think the important thing is Lesnar needs to drop the title. Have Cena lose the title shot leading to someone else getting it, have him win and have Rollins immediately cash in on him, whatever.

it is a shame, the angle of Lesnar not showing up could have been played so well. Just make it so they point out that no one wants to challenge him because of how he wrecked Cena. Then either have Ambrose finally go "I had some other stuff to deal with this past year, but now I am ready" or have Ziggler say "man, I lost my confidence, I was down, I was out, but I started getting my groove back, and at Survivor series it all clicked. Now I am ready to go".

If nothing else, Bork having the belt has pretty much proven it is largely a useless prop these days.

[kidglov3s]

What a f***ing dismal year.

I can think of several matches I loved last year (Cena/Punk on Raw, Jericho/Punk on Raw, Cesaro/Kofi Main Event (live!), Punk/Undertaker (live!), Orton/Bryan Raw), not a one that I loved for all of 2014.

Honestly, imo, nobody earned superstar of the year for 2014. What a f***ing wash.