I Didn't Think The Ascension Could Get Any Cornier

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Dec 13, 2014 19:23:33 GMT -5 Juice said:

I'm going to just skip the 5 pages of hatred for this and say this is f***ing awesome and what wrestling is supposed to look like. I liked them already, but now I really like them.

The OP was obviously going for hate, but it seems somewhat like a 50/50 split.  For almost every "this is stupid" & "they couldn't be any worse" I'm seeing "I kinda like this" and "we need this".

[Juice]

Dec 13, 2014 20:48:26 GMT -5 @laveyan said:

Dec 13, 2014 19:23:33 GMT -5 Juice said:

I'm going to just skip the 5 pages of hatred for this and say this is f***ing awesome and what wrestling is supposed to look like. I liked them already, but now I really like them.

The OP was obviously going for hate, but it seems somewhat like a 50/50 split.  For almost every "this is stupid" & "they couldn't be any worse" I'm seeing "I kinda like this" and "we need this".

I'm glad I am not the only one who likes it then.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

I think WWE realized that they pretty much sacrificed the Ascension and destroyed them to put Itami and Balor over, so now they felt they had to retool them to build them back up.

[Juice]

Something to remember is nxt is development and call ups will be tweaked like this.

[Sephiroth]

Dec 13, 2014 18:29:59 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

OOOHHHH, WHAT A RUSH!!!

I thought it was more like MMMMYAAAAAH WHAT A RUSH!

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Dec 13, 2014 21:59:35 GMT -5 Juice said:

Something to remember is nxt is development and call ups will be tweaked like this.

And really, is it really as drastic a change than the time when they called up a moshing enthusiast, a deranged psycho and a blue-chipper and made them into a pseudo-SWAT team?

This is basically taking their existing gimmick (which was kind of vague anyway after they'd taken out the supernatural elements of it earlier in the year) and going from about a 5 or 6 straight to 11 with it.

[Juice]

Dec 13, 2014 22:03:23 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Dec 13, 2014 21:59:35 GMT -5 Juice said:

Something to remember is nxt is development and call ups will be tweaked like this.

And really, is it really as drastic a change than the time when they called up a moshing enthusiast, a deranged psycho and a blue-chipper and made them into a pseudo-SWAT team?

This is basically taking their existing gimmick (which was kind of vague anyway after they'd taken out the supernatural elements of it earlier in the year) and going from about a 5 or 6 straight to 11 with it.

You're right on all accounts. No one batted an eye when the Shield showed up despite drastic gimmick changes. And This new look for Ascension really sells the gimmick. It's great.

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So......

What the hell are they supposed to be now?

[SAJ Forth]

Here comes the Konnor. And here comes the Viktor.

[Derk!]

I dig it...

Though, I really dig their theme more than anything...

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I don't think it's that bad, the trouble is that WWE comes out with these cartoony "Next Generation" style acts, but since the company is so directionless the roster is such a mishmash of reality based guys, cartoon characters and half assed 2 dimensional empty vessels that there's no one for an act like the Ascension to jive with.

[Confused Mark Wahlberg]

I want to see vignettes of them in the real world, like them standing in line at a Panda Express in the mall.

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Dec 13, 2014 23:13:32 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

I don't think it's that bad, the trouble is that WWE comes out with these cartoony "Next Generation" style acts, but since the company is so directionless the roster is such a mishmash of reality based guys, cartoon characters and half assed 2 dimensional empty vessels that there's no one for an act like the Ascension to jive with.

I agree that there's way too much of a mishmash of characters.  WWE's trying to appeal to the UFC crowd and the CHIKARA crowd at the same time and it only serves to make the more over-the-top characters seem moronic in comparison.

At the same time though I think this Ascension would jive well with the current tag division.  If they're actually going the serious route I could see them having interesting matches with the Dusts and the Usos.  If they're going the more knowingly cheesy route I think them running over the Matadores and having some fun with Mizdow would be entertaining.  The Dusts would be interesting against the tongue-in-cheek Ascension as well.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Dec 13, 2014 23:13:32 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

I don't think it's that bad, the trouble is that WWE comes out with these cartoony "Next Generation" style acts, but since the company is so directionless the roster is such a mishmash of reality based guys, cartoon characters and half assed 2 dimensional empty vessels that there's no one for an act like the Ascension to jive with.

Exactly. I'm all for corny but the problem is corny characters need stuff to do for them to be fun. There are quite a few fun gimmicks on the roster right now and it means less than nothing because almost all of them are midcard goobers that get no mic time and dick around in the same matches every other week.

If you are gonna be corny, go all the way and be super corny. That means PUTTING EFFORT INTO YOUR MIDCARD FEUDS AND DEVELOPING THEM ON TV. Something WWE appears to be allergic to for the most part.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Dec 13, 2014 23:54:50 GMT -5 Confused Mark Wahlberg said:

I want to see vignettes of them in the real world, like them standing in line at a Panda Express in the mall.

Viktor: WE DINE ON DESTRUCTION AND FEAST ON FEAR!

"I'm sorry sir, we don't carry any of that. Would you perhaps be interested in our Honey Walnut Shrimp?"

Viktor: Ugh, fine.

Konnor: ARE YOU OPEN FOR BUSINESS ALL NIGHT?

"We close at 10:00."

Konnor: Better give me a double order of cream cheese rangoons, then.

[thecrusherwi]

I think this would work...if it weren't 2014-15. These kind of gimmicks can't work when you have baby faces like John Cena and announcers who's job it is to just riff on the product. They'll make a ton of lame jokes about them until no one takes them seriously

Compare that to the 80s when Demolition was around. Demolition is a ridiculous gimmick, but the only negative things the announcers would ever say about them was "has Jack Tunney ever inspected those outfits? I'm not sure they're legal". Beyond that, they treated them as very dangerous athletes. You didn't have John Cena making S&M jokes and King replying to one of their promos with "Cole I bet they'd be a little nicer if they just had some Halls cough drops!"

["Gentleman" AJ Powell]

Eh, they look decent. Not too sure about the facepaint, but still, I like the big coats etc. Can see them working as a Demolition or Eliminators type tag team.

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Should have signed The Devastation Corporation instead.

[Mozenrath]

If this does fail, they could just have him be Connor O'Brian again and just have him team with Andy Viktor.

[________ has left the building]

Dec 14, 2014 11:08:44 GMT -5 @robertgbp said:

Should have signed The Devastation Corporation instead.

Naw, Devastation Corp's gimmick works when facing undersized Chikara wrestlers and putting the hurt on them. On the WWE roster, they would be normal looking size wise.