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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 31, 2014 21:36:06 GMT -5
I figured the moment the...sigh...Authority returned to power, the writing was on the wall for Bryan to either be knocked out during the Rumble, or given the #1 spot in order to build on the hype of all the guys who overcame such a position...only to send down Kane, Rollins, J&J, and a couple other midcard lackeys to attack, maul, and eliminate Bryan before #3 enters to set a horrific story of "The Authority is hand picking the man they feel worthy of facing Brock Lesnar!"
Thus allowing for an end where Bryan helps Roman Reigns overcome the same odds he faced at the beginning of the match and eliminate Rollins for the win in order to suck out some of the hurt of Bryan losing by him helping the guy who we should all love, don't we love Bobby? Wait.
Yes. My stupid wrestling watching mind threw that scenario in my head within five minutes of the end of Raw.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 31, 2014 21:40:43 GMT -5
If he's in it, and doesn't win it, they haven't learned a damn thing. That crowd will be booing to high heaven. Even at this point, if they pull him from the match, the damage is done. I could maaaaaybe see Ziggler getting away with winning, honestly even then not entirely, but anyone else, nope, they're hung. We need to come up with the Roman equivalent of Bootista. Disdeigns? Boo-man?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 31, 2014 21:45:31 GMT -5
Maybe it is just the "jerk" in me, but hearing things like "Reigns taking his rightful spot" and "He"s chosen" just make me want him to not do it. It isn't even about him. It's no ones rightful spot to be the man. That's crazy thinking to shut out others because you've come to some sort of final decision.
There are at least Ziggler and Bryan with better stories going to win.Let Roman get there on his own.I think he'll work his ass off to get there but he's not yet.
It just feels like they want him because he's a good looking dude related to the Rock and that's not fair to Roman.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:47:20 GMT -5
I don't like Reigns but if they can build him up as a monster surely monster vs monster has more appeal than what'll feel like a reboot of last year? To win the title at 2 mania's in a row is overness that's surely above anyone's pay-grade on the current roster? Bryan should be involved in the title scene at some point this year. But I don't see how the inevitableness of Reign's title reign is less appealing than the 'make up for last year' inevitableness. You can't recapture that moment and not really sure they should try without waiting a year or so longer. Reigns vs Lesnar isn't a good monster vs monster storyline, because Reigns isn't really big enough physically to be considered one. He's physically impressive, but isn't the giant he needs to be to pull off that role. Bryan is small and has the underdog factor. It makes for a perfect storyline. Reigns would benefit from another year of development. His mic work in particular is still piss poor. He'd be eaten alive by Heyman. Superman isn't the same size as PARASITE ( i know jack shit about superman, googled villan names and looked for a big one, for my example to work) He still fights and defeats him.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 31, 2014 21:47:36 GMT -5
Maybe it is just the "jerk" in me, but hearing things like "Reigns taking his rightful spot" and "He"s chosen" just make me want him to not do it. It isn't even about him. It's no ones rightful spot to be the man. That's crazy thinking to shut out others because you've come to some sort of final decision. There are at least Ziggler and Bryan with better stories going to win.Let Roman get there on his own.I think he'll work his ass off to get there but he's not yet. It just feels like they want him because he's a good looking dude related to the Rock and that's not fair to Roman. Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory?
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 21:48:12 GMT -5
There is not one solitary reason why Roman Reigns should win the Rumble. Not one. He can't talk on the mic, is mediocre in the ring, he can't act. Hell, he doesn't have his own identity, he's still got all the Shield stuff with him to keep him over. Does he have a look, sure. Is he over, yep. But, so was Daniel Bryan last year, so overness doesn't matter to WWE unless it goes with their plans. Reigns winning is the wrong choice and there's no way to say otherwise, he's just not ready yet for a big marquee match against Brock f***n' Lesnar. While Daniel Bryan has the underdog look mixed up with his return from ijury, Reigns has what? A look? His relation to The Rock. Give me a break. Bryan's more over, talented, and marketable than Roman Reigns is right now. You want a great match, you have Bryan win, no two way's about it. If they want shitty match, than go ahead, have Reigns win.
Before Bryan's return, I didn't really care who won. Would Reigns winning be too early, yeah. But, atleast he's young and has potential. Now though, with a much more talented Daniel Bryan back with an amazing promo (after months of "Belieee That!"), there's no way Reigns should win. None, at all. It's a death wish if they have anybody but Bryan win,it'll show their stubbornness and outright denial to give the paying customers what they want.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 31, 2014 21:49:37 GMT -5
Meh, I'm no fan of Reigns but there is an irony in this "chosen one" backlash in favour of the "pre-ordained one"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:50:39 GMT -5
Maybe it is just the "jerk" in me, but hearing things like "Reigns taking his rightful spot" and "He"s chosen" just make me want him to not do it. It isn't even about him. It's no ones rightful spot to be the man. That's crazy thinking to shut out others because you've come to some sort of final decision. There are at least Ziggler and Bryan with better stories going to win.Let Roman get there on his own.I think he'll work his ass off to get there but he's not yet. It just feels like they want him because he's a good looking dude related to the Rock and that's not fair to Roman. Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory? He cut one promo about how his career nearly ended and he had to relinquish the title that he worked so hard for despite having never actually been beaten for it. That's your story.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 31, 2014 21:52:21 GMT -5
Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory? He cut one promo about how his career nearly ended and he had to relinquish the title that he worked so hard for despite having never actually been beaten for it. That's your story. No that's not your story because in that story Lesnar is irrelevant. It's crazy booking to have Lesnar in a match he's for all intents and purposes irrelevant in the storyline. "journey back to the top" is fine but that doesn't really make the use of paying Lesnar what they're going to be. Lesnar needs to be central.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 21:52:25 GMT -5
Maybe it is just the "jerk" in me, but hearing things like "Reigns taking his rightful spot" and "He"s chosen" just make me want him to not do it. It isn't even about him. It's no ones rightful spot to be the man. That's crazy thinking to shut out others because you've come to some sort of final decision. There are at least Ziggler and Bryan with better stories going to win.Let Roman get there on his own.I think he'll work his ass off to get there but he's not yet. It just feels like they want him because he's a good looking dude related to the Rock and that's not fair to Roman. Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory? And Reigns does? Seriously, no storyline? Does the "came back from injury and wanting to win the belt he never lost" not count?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:54:21 GMT -5
He cut one promo about how his career nearly ended and he had to relinquish the title that he worked so hard for despite having never actually been beaten for it. That's your story. No that's not your story because in that story Lesnar is irrelevant. It's crazy booking to have Lesnar in a match he's for all intents and purposes irrelevant in the storyline. Lesnar's the unstoppable beast who's holding the title hostage on behalf of the people who screwed Bryan out of it. He figures into it a lot. And again, it's better than the potential storyline of, "I'm the Rumble winner, you're the champ, let's have a match, b'lee dat."
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 21:54:51 GMT -5
Meh, I'm no fan of Reigns but there is an irony in this "chosen one" backlash in favour of the "pre-ordained one" It's because the "chosen one," clearly isn't ready to be in the main event. Seriously, all this backlash towards Reigns wouldn't be around if he actually had the talent to back up WWE's love for him.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 31, 2014 21:56:18 GMT -5
Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory? And Reigns does? Seriously, no storyline? Does the "came back from injury and wanting to win the belt he never lost" not count? That's dandy but as i say above what relevance is Lesnar to that? It'd be the same story if Orton, Cena or anyone else was champion. If you're paying Lesnar the money they'll be he needs to be central to the narrative not just the guy the man on the "comeback journey" happens to need to beat. Reigns vs Lesnar you have a 'has Lesnar met his match?' intrigue. With the storyline you propose Lesnar is just the guy that happens to have the belt at the time.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 22:01:17 GMT -5
And Reigns does? Seriously, no storyline? Does the "came back from injury and wanting to win the belt he never lost" not count? That's dandy but as i say above what relevance is Lesnar to that? It'd be the same story if Orton, Cena or anyone else was champion. If you're paying Lesnar the money they'll be he needs to be central to the narrative not just the guy the man on the "comeback journey" happens to need to beat. Reigns vs Lesnar you have a 'has Lesnar met his match?' intrigue. With the storyline you propose Lesnar is just the guy that happens to have the belt at the time. You can go with the 'has Lesnar met his match," but what differs Reigns from Cena, Triple H, and Undertaker? What does Reigns have that they don't?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 22:01:32 GMT -5
Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory? And Reigns does? Seriously, no storyline? Does the "came back from injury and wanting to win the belt he never lost" not count? Really just winning the Royal Rumble for a lot of guys can become the story so I don't put much stock in choosing winners just because the story is there for other guys. That doesn't mean that they can't make Reigns' road to Wrestlemania a good one if he's so chosen to win it. I think there's a double standard at play here with Reigns because when you look at the Cesaro thread there are a lot of people with the idea of "so he's not perfect, who cares?" and then come to this thread and see people upset because "Reigns isn't good enough!" If we wanna be fair I think this is a wait and see situation. Although I do agree that if they attach themselves to Reigns for the 'Mania main event they'll have problems, but there's really no telling. The live crowd was begging for at least Roman Reigns in the absence of Daniel Bryan at the last Royal Rumble, and I don't think he's been shoved down our throats to a point worthy of the venom he seems to get around here. The silver lining here is WWE's taking a chance on someone new if this is actually the plan.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 31, 2014 22:02:39 GMT -5
Maybe it is just the "jerk" in me, but hearing things like "Reigns taking his rightful spot" and "He"s chosen" just make me want him to not do it. It isn't even about him. It's no ones rightful spot to be the man. That's crazy thinking to shut out others because you've come to some sort of final decision. There are at least Ziggler and Bryan with better stories going to win.Let Roman get there on his own.I think he'll work his ass off to get there but he's not yet. It just feels like they want him because he's a good looking dude related to the Rock and that's not fair to Roman. Bryan has no storyline going in. He's cut one promo. Based on that everyone else is lumped into "not ready, brother" territory? No. They're not. And by your logic Roman has no story either. If any it has nothing to do with Lesnar either. So if Bryan's story can't possibly be mixed to include Lesnar I don't see a way Roman's could and it would make any more sense. Brother jack dude
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 31, 2014 22:03:09 GMT -5
And Reigns does? Seriously, no storyline? Does the "came back from injury and wanting to win the belt he never lost" not count? That's dandy but as i say above what relevance is Lesnar to that? It'd be the same story if Orton, Cena or anyone else was champion. If you're paying Lesnar the money they'll be he needs to be central to the narrative not just the guy the man on the "comeback journey" happens to need to beat. Reigns vs Lesnar you have a 'has Lesnar met his match?' intrigue. With the storyline you propose Lesnar is just the guy that happens to have the belt at the time. Lesnar would be the big back monster backed by the Authority that no one has beaten and is standing in the way of Bryan from completing his goal of getting the title he never lost back. How is Daniel Bryan coming off his neck injury going to survive, let alone beat, Brock F'N Lesnar, the man who destroyed Cena, Undertaker, and Hunter? Basic, common sense story telling that has been used for ages. That is the story that makes the best use of both. The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 22:03:58 GMT -5
And Reigns does? Seriously, no storyline? Does the "came back from injury and wanting to win the belt he never lost" not count? Really just winning the Royal Rumble for a lot of guys can become the story so I don't put much stock in choosing winners just because the story is there for other guys. That doesn't mean that they can't make Reigns' road to Wrestlemania a good one if he's so chosen to win it. I think there's a double standard at play here with Reigns because when you look at the Cesaro thread there are a lot of people with the idea of "so he's not perfect, who cares?" and then come to this thread and see people upset because "Reigns isn't good enough!" If we wanna be fair I think this is a wait and see situation. Although I do agree that if they attach themselves to Reigns for the 'Mania main event they'll have problems, but there's really no telling. The live crowd was begging for at least Roman Reigns in the absence of Daniel Bryan at the last Royal Rumble, and I don't think he's been shoved down our throats to a point worthy of the venom he seems to get around here. The silver lining here is WWE's taking a chance on someone new if this is actually the plan. I know I don't mean much since I openly don't like Cesaro, but I'd be against him winning it too. Be more okay with it than Reigns because at least there's a story there and the match with Lesnar'd have a chance of being good, but he's probably worse on the mic than Reigns is and Reigns is actually over at least.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 31, 2014 22:05:41 GMT -5
That's dandy but as i say above what relevance is Lesnar to that? It'd be the same story if Orton, Cena or anyone else was champion. If you're paying Lesnar the money they'll be he needs to be central to the narrative not just the guy the man on the "comeback journey" happens to need to beat. Reigns vs Lesnar you have a 'has Lesnar met his match?' intrigue. With the storyline you propose Lesnar is just the guy that happens to have the belt at the time. Lesnar would be the big back monster backed by the Authority that no one has beaten and is standing in the way of Bryan from completing his goal of getting the title he never lost back. How is Daniel Bryan coming off his neck injury going to survive, let alone beat, Brock F'N Lesnar, the man who destroyed Cena, Undertaker, and Hunter? Basic, common sense story telling that has been used for ages. That is the story that makes the best use of both. The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring. I like how he's not even mentioning the "Bryan is the most over so he deserves the spot" argument anymore, haha.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 31, 2014 22:07:45 GMT -5
That's dandy but as i say above what relevance is Lesnar to that? It'd be the same story if Orton, Cena or anyone else was champion. If you're paying Lesnar the money they'll be he needs to be central to the narrative not just the guy the man on the "comeback journey" happens to need to beat. Reigns vs Lesnar you have a 'has Lesnar met his match?' intrigue. With the storyline you propose Lesnar is just the guy that happens to have the belt at the time. Lesnar would be the big back monster backed by the Authority that no one has beaten and is standing in the way of Bryan from completing his goal of getting the title he never lost back. How is Daniel Bryan coming off his neck injury going to survive, let alone beat, Brock F'N Lesnar, the man who destroyed Cena, Undertaker, and Hunter? Basic, common sense story telling that has been used for ages. That is the story that makes the best use of both. The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring. It's not hatred I have a difference of opinion. Why is that not allowed when it comes to anything Bryan related?
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