"WCW was so stupid having Chucky show up"

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Mar 6, 2015 9:39:31 GMT -5 WoodStoner1 said:

TMNT? When was this???

Hell in a Cell 2009.

They were advertising their Super Smash Bros.-esque video game.

But, the reasoning for this simply boils down to the fact that WCW sucked and did everything stupid, while the WWE knew how to properly utilize anybody and everybody they brought in... clearly ignoring the fact that there were plenty of godawful RAW guest hosts and this year's celebrity induction made only one cameo appearance on WWE TV... in 1999.

[Lt. Palumbo]

If they had played Steiner/Chuckie out like Ricky/Conky from Trailer Park Boys WCW would still be in business

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Mar 6, 2015 9:50:35 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Mar 6, 2015 9:46:43 GMT -5 @graant said:

Wait a minute, Scooby Doo showed up on Raw?


how in the hell am I only just finding out now?

It was pretty awesome.

Sin Cara, the Van and Scooby on the screen all at the same time should have been a Wrestlemania Moment

All that was missing was lucha speaking Cena.

[Tyrannosaurus Sex]

Speak for yourselves. As random as his appearance was, Chucky had an awesome Hollywood heel promo. Plus, who doesn't want to see a movie directed by Chucky starring Scott Steiner like he said?

[Mackenzie Gorn]

Rick Steiner called out Chucky and tried to fight hum. All the rest of this is comedy. Hell the turtles was LITERALLY a crowd shot surprising to see people bent out of shape about that.

There is revisionism about WCW but let's not try to pretend that that wasn't a terrible move.

[Malcolm]

Mar 6, 2015 11:55:10 GMT -5 Mackenzie Gorn said:

Rick Steiner called out Chucky and tried to fight hum. All the rest of this is comedy. Hell the turtles was LITERALLY a crowd shot surprising to see people bent out of shape about that.

There is revisionism about WCW but let's not try to pretend that that wasn't a terrible move.

I don't understand the anger over the Turtles thing either. It was pretty much akin to a camera shot of a team mascot after a commercial break.

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Don'cha talk shit about The Muppets! They're a triumph of the human spirit!

[Stu]

1: Chucky: Hyped up for weeks with his laugh being heard in arenas. He finally shows up and has a promo with Rick Steiner that implies they're going to have an angle. Nothing happens.

2: Scooby Doo: He shows up as a form of cross-promotion to hype the Scooby/WWE cartoon. It's not a dog; it's clearly a person in a suit, which is less ridiculous than a talking doll (Rocco was no better). Scooby shows up for one segment involving midcarders during a period marketed toward children.

3: TMNT: Showed up because their brand was sponsoring the PPV. All they did was dance in the skybox for a minute or two. They were not part of an angle and did not even enter the ring.

4: The Muppets: Showed up to promote a movie after one week's notice and were mostly involved in throwaway comedy segments. Also appeared during a period marketed toward children.

5: Grumpycat: Is a live animal and also was used for throwaway segments.

Moral of the story: Dragon Dragon would destroy them all!!!

[ToyfareMark]

Having Chucky show up and cut a promo about his movie wasn't stupid. Rick Steiner challenging him to a match was.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Raw is Muppets was ass cheeks, I don't care what anyone says. Talk about shit.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

What I don't understand is this weird desire to find and expose hypocrisy. I'm sure some people exist who thought Chucky's appearance was stupid and Scooby Doo's was fine. So goddamn what?

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Also, nobody's saying Chucky was a good move. If you got that impression from the OP, you totally missed the point.

The point is, WWE does goofy shit like bringing in outside characters for the sole purpose of promotion. Regardless of the actual content, it's the exact same tactic. It's fine to make fun of WCW because the Chucky stuff was moronic but WWE themselves would do something similar well over a decade later. That's the point. Regardless of what you personally thought of the segments, that's hypocritical.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Mar 6, 2015 12:16:50 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Also, nobody's saying Chucky was a good move. If you got that impression from the OP, you totally missed the point.

The point is, WWE does goofy shit like bringing in outside characters for the sole purpose of promotion. Regardless of the actual content, it's the exact same tactic. It's fine to make fun of WCW because the Chucky stuff was moronic but WWE themselves would do something similar well over a decade later. That's the point. Regardless of what you personally thought of the segments, that's hypocritical.

Yes, and my point is: Who cares? People's reasons are probably internally consistent anyway (something like, Chucky was meant to be taken seriously and Scooby-Doo clearly wasn't), but even if they're not, what does pointing out this kind of hypocrisy accomplish?

[Stu]

I personally don't care or take wrestling seriously enough to be offended by any of this. The point I was trying to make in my previous post is that WWE at least made it clear why and for how long they were using those other characters. Whether you like or hate any of them, I just don't understand why people need to get so worked up over this.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Mar 6, 2015 12:20:55 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

Mar 6, 2015 12:16:50 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Also, nobody's saying Chucky was a good move. If you got that impression from the OP, you totally missed the point.

The point is, WWE does goofy shit like bringing in outside characters for the sole purpose of promotion. Regardless of the actual content, it's the exact same tactic. It's fine to make fun of WCW because the Chucky stuff was moronic but WWE themselves would do something similar well over a decade later. That's the point. Regardless of what you personally thought of the segments, that's hypocritical.

Yes, and my point is: Who cares? People's reasons are probably internally consistent anyway (something like, Chucky was meant to be taken seriously and Scooby-Doo clearly wasn't), but even if they're not, what does pointing out this kind of hypocrisy accomplish?

Well, I'm not trying to argue with you, haha. I didn't make the thread, I'm just pointing out what the point was since some people clearly missed it. If you don't care, more power to you.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Mar 6, 2015 12:21:25 GMT -5 Stu said:

I personally don't care or take wrestling seriously enough to be offended by any of this. The point I was trying to make in my previous post is that WWE at least made it clear why and for how long they were using those other characters. Whether you like or hate any of them, I just don't understand why people need to get so worked up over this.

But who's getting worked up over this? It's a discussion. The OP made a valid point and people are discussing the validity of it.

Is it really any more ridiculous than talking about grown men grappling in their underwear?

[Stu]

Mar 6, 2015 12:25:17 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Mar 6, 2015 12:21:25 GMT -5 Stu said:

I personally don't care or take wrestling seriously enough to be offended by any of this. The point I was trying to make in my previous post is that WWE at least made it clear why and for how long they were using those other characters. Whether you like or hate any of them, I just don't understand why people need to get so worked up over this.

But who's getting worked up over this? It's a discussion. The OP made a valid point and people are discussing the validity of it.

Is it really any more ridiculous than talking about grown men grappling in their underwear?

I never said there's a problem with discussing it. Just seems like there's a minority that's highly offended by these characters even showing up.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Mar 6, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5 Stu said:

Mar 6, 2015 12:25:17 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

But who's getting worked up over this? It's a discussion. The OP made a valid point and people are discussing the validity of it.

Is it really any more ridiculous than talking about grown men grappling in their underwear?

I never said there's a problem with discussing it. Just seems like there's a minority that's highly offended by these characters even showing up.

Oh, I was under the impression you were talking about this thread in particular. My bad.

[Allie Kitsune]

Mar 6, 2015 1:05:40 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

I will not stand for anyone comparing WWE's usage of The Muppets to WCW having Rick Steiner seriously calling out Chucky.

Yeah. The fact that WCW booked Rick Steiner to seriously get his ass verbally handed to him by Chucky...

That was almost as idiotic as them booking him to kidnap himself.

[Allie Kitsune]

Mar 6, 2015 2:25:47 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I just want to weigh in to agree that the Muppets Raw was incredible.

Also, at least WWE's never had a fictional character have to bail out one of their top faces. They've done some stupid shit with crossovers but they haven't hit full Robocop.

I still say MacGruber was worse.