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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 19:44:31 GMT -5
It's because they had to pay Brock Lesnar like $4 million, Taker/Hunner/Stinger a million each, and didn't have that many more Network subscribers as they had full PPV purchases in the past.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Jun 16, 2015 19:44:43 GMT -5
Vinnie is gonna have to start collecting Ketchup packages for those Steak sandwiches !!!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 16, 2015 19:47:18 GMT -5
I can Balee dat babygurl.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jun 16, 2015 19:47:22 GMT -5
The Terminator entrance probably ate up a good chunk of money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 19:49:47 GMT -5
It's because they had to pay Brock Lesnar like $4 million, Taker/Hunner/Stinger a million each, and didn't have that many more Network subscribers as they had full PPV purchases in the past. Don't forget Rock (who was probably around Lesnar's pay grade) and Ronda Rousey as well. Actually, come to think of it, didn't the last west coast Mania (also headlined by Lesnar funny enough) bomb as well? Obviously not lose money if this was the first but just do horrible? |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 16, 2015 19:50:10 GMT -5
Not a complete surprise. There's the Network factor, obviously. But the production costs for this year were unique too; payday for virtually the whole roster, as well as for the NWO and DX, hiring a small army of extras for the special entrances, holding it in an outdoor arena that probably brought all kinds of technical challenges of its own-the let goes on. Yeah, it seemed like the entire roster had their own special entrance this year, didn't it? The Andre the Giant battle royal puts retry much the entire roster on the show. More $$$ to pay out. |
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Post by thetower52 on Jun 16, 2015 19:51:24 GMT -5
Rusves tank couldn't of been cheap
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 16, 2015 19:51:33 GMT -5
Hopefully next year they can maybe cut some of the more extraneous costs like completely unwanted concert segments featuring musicians that cost significant amounts of money to play for a crowd who absolute could not care less.
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Post by edgestar on Jun 16, 2015 19:51:52 GMT -5
Really even WM 11 that trainwreck made back money but not WM 31 I thought the same thing lmao  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 19:51:58 GMT -5
It's because they had to pay Brock Lesnar like $4 million, Taker/Hunner/Stinger a million each, and didn't have that many more Network subscribers as they had full PPV purchases in the past. Don't forget Rock (who was probably around Lesnar's pay grade) and Ronda Rousey as well. Actually, come to think of it, didn't the last west coast Mania (also headlined by Lesnar funny enough) bomb as well? Obviously not lose money if this was the first but just do horrible? Good call, I just looked at the card and forgot that Rock was even there. Mania 19 in Seattle did do relatively poorly, I think under 700,000 buys. Attendance seemed good for both shows though, so I'm not sure what the west coast aspect would have to do with it. |
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jun 16, 2015 19:53:19 GMT -5
How was WrestleMania 31 a financial failure but WrestleMania XXX a success? Location. Remember everything costs double in California |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 19:55:14 GMT -5
Don't forget Rock (who was probably around Lesnar's pay grade) and Ronda Rousey as well. Actually, come to think of it, didn't the last west coast Mania (also headlined by Lesnar funny enough) bomb as well? Obviously not lose money if this was the first but just do horrible? Good call, I just looked at the card and forgot that Rock was even there. Mania 19 in Seattle did do relatively poorly, I think under 700,000 buys. Attendance seemed good for both shows though, so I'm not sure what the west coast aspect would have to do with it. It did under 600,000, actually. By comparison 17 did over a million, 18 did almost 900,000, and 20 did right around a million. Also, Mania 30 made money where 31 didn't probably because the Network was less successful at the time; Mania 30 had way, way more PPV buys than 31 did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 19:56:31 GMT -5
This must be Seth Rollins fault.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 16, 2015 20:00:58 GMT -5
Nothing to do with build and moreso to do with lack of pay-per-view buys because of the Network. What I want to know is to what extent do you attribute Network subscriptions to WrestleMania intake? Because if it's 0 then that's your explanation right there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:01:30 GMT -5
Vince probably gave Stephanie a $2M PPV bonus
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:02:13 GMT -5
Good call, I just looked at the card and forgot that Rock was even there. Mania 19 in Seattle did do relatively poorly, I think under 700,000 buys. Attendance seemed good for both shows though, so I'm not sure what the west coast aspect would have to do with it. It did under 600,000, actually. By comparison 17 did over a million, 18 did almost 900,000, and 20 did right around a million. Also, Mania 30 made money where 31 didn't probably because the Network was less successful at the time; Mania 30 had way, way more PPV buys than 31 did. I'd like to know how much they profit from a PPV buy compared to a Network subscription. When you think about how much it costs to product new content for it, and maintain the servers etc., it might take 3 or 4 Network subscriptions to make up for losing 1 PPV buy. I wonder what they need to make the dramatic shift from PPV attraction to subscriber base a good business decision. Of course, from what I've read they're doing well financially as of late. Mania might just be the one thing that pretty much everyone in their dedicated fanbase is willing to shell out money for. It would piss people off, but I think taking it off the Network could be a good decision. If they can keep their subscriber base year-round then get everyone buying Mania for PPV prices, they can have their cake and eat it too. However, in reality, their subscriber base would probably drop and so would the PPV buys. But how much? |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 16, 2015 20:03:21 GMT -5
It's because they had to pay Brock Lesnar like $4 million, Taker/Hunner/Stinger a million each, and didn't have that many more Network subscribers as they had full PPV purchases in the past. Don't forget Rock (who was probably around Lesnar's pay grade) and Ronda Rousey as well. Actually, come to think of it, didn't the last west coast Mania (also headlined by Lesnar funny enough) bomb as well? Obviously not lose money if this was the first but just do horrible? Lesnar wasn't at Mania 21. |
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Post by Sparvid on Jun 16, 2015 20:04:44 GMT -5
Vince finally read up on Hollywood Accounting and realized that if Wrestlemania is in the books at a loss, he doesn't have to pay out profit based bonuses? "The Wrestlemania bonus is: you owe me $2,500" |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 16, 2015 20:05:51 GMT -5
He said in an audio update yesterday that he would not be surprised if Mania is PPV-only next year and not on the Network.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 20:06:52 GMT -5
Don't forget Rock (who was probably around Lesnar's pay grade) and Ronda Rousey as well. Actually, come to think of it, didn't the last west coast Mania (also headlined by Lesnar funny enough) bomb as well? Obviously not lose money if this was the first but just do horrible? Lesnar wasn't at Mania 21. Damn. I knew there was one I was forgetting (not sure if Arizona counts either). |
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