The Unconquered Sun
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Nov 6, 2015 8:33:25 GMT -5
If you're unclear the gentleman on the right is the fans and the gentleman in the cape is HHH's ego.
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Post by theworld21 on Nov 6, 2015 8:35:45 GMT -5
Nuking Punk's momentum in 2011, being booked as equal to or superior to Brock Lesnar, and beating Sting for absolutely no reason are three of the four noteworthy things he's done since his part time status. The other was jobbing to Daniel Bryan, which was great, but In that case he was attaching himself to the hottest act in the company (Bryan didn't need to wrestle HHH as fans just wanted him to win the title at that point). This story, whether true or not, is entirely believable. I'll grant you Punk. That was absolutely stupid. Yes, he beat Lesnar once, and damn near killed himself doing it. But Lesnar kicked his ass twice, very decisively I might add. He put over Bryan in a terrific match. You convienetly leave out where his legendary unbeatable heel stable was punked out by the Shield several times, the last of which beaing a CLEAN SWEEP in an elimination match. Beating Sting was idiotic, I admit. But it also involved run-ins by DX, nWo, HBK, the 3rd marine division and ended only via sledgehammer shot Didn't that final HHH/Lesnar match, had Lesnar begging HHH and saying stuff like "Please paul stop" during the match? Because to me, that didn't make brock look strong at all. Sure he beat him at the end, but man he looked weak during the match and needed Heyman's help to win. Totally the opposite of the booking in WM XXX, SS 14', and WM31 where Lesnar looked like a total beast that doesn't fear anyone.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 6, 2015 8:41:58 GMT -5
I actually like Triple H although he seems to try his damndest to make me hate him
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 6, 2015 8:45:24 GMT -5
Nuking Punk's momentum in 2011, being booked as equal to or superior to Brock Lesnar, and beating Sting for absolutely no reason are three of the four noteworthy things he's done since his part time status. The other was jobbing to Daniel Bryan, which was great, but In that case he was attaching himself to the hottest act in the company (Bryan didn't need to wrestle HHH as fans just wanted him to win the title at that point). This story, whether true or not, is entirely believable. I'll grant you Punk. That was absolutely stupid. Yes, he beat Lesnar once, and damn near killed himself doing it. But Lesnar kicked his ass twice, very decisively I might add. He put over Bryan in a terrific match. You convienetly leave out where his legendary unbeatable heel stable was punked out by the Shield several times, the last of which beaing a CLEAN SWEEP in an elimination match. Beating Sting was idiotic, I admit. But it also involved run-ins by DX, nWo, HBK, the 3rd marine division and ended only via sledgehammer shot He beat Lesnar, clean, at the one that mattered and that more people saw. Lesnar was bloodied and begging for help in one of the ones he did win. But again, the Mania one is the one that counts. He did the same against Orton in 2009 - yes, Orton did eventually get the title, but is that what people remember? People remember the bigger event where Triple H won clean. Same applies with Lesnar. He put Bryan over because he had to. Fans simply wouldn't have accepted anything else. Wasn't he booked to go over Punk (again) before all this happened? His "legendary" stable was defeated by the Shield, then the Shield broke up because of his kayfabe mighty influence so he actually won that, too. And putting over the younger guys isn't something he deserves a slap on the back for anyway - it's what he should be doing, particularly when he's in a higher position than everyone due to his marriage. Must note I don't actually hate the guy. Most of the time.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 6, 2015 9:26:07 GMT -5
True or not, I love the idea that WWE is so adamant that Triple H is Rock/Austin level, that they've deluded themselves into thinking that whatever match he's in is the/a main event.
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Post by RedSmile on Nov 6, 2015 10:14:37 GMT -5
...as a face. As said from him on Wrestling Observer Live, the three big main events for WrestleMania 32 were supposed to be: Seth Rollins vs Triple H Dean Ambrose vs Roman Reigns Brock Lesnar vs The Rock And yes, the planned HHH/Rollins match means that Triple H was planned to win the 2016 Royal Rumble match. So make this WrestleMania #3 where the original plan is absolute garbage. This is a very wild and dubious claim. There was a pretty good chance that Rollins wasn't making it to Mania as champ, it's more likely that Reigns would've been champ and Ambrose challenging, in a face v. face match. The Rollins/HHH match would have been the fallout from Seth losing the belt, maybe with a Shield reunion to close the show. Furthermore, there's no John Cena on that list, does Dave speculate on that? Does Cena toil away on Del Rio duty, or do we finally get Taker/Cena?
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Post by joeiscool on Nov 6, 2015 10:18:48 GMT -5
This is probably not true.
It's almost blatant that they were going for a shield tripple threat match
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Nov 6, 2015 10:27:38 GMT -5
I know this gets said a lot, but had this gone down I literally would have never watched again.
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Pushed to the Moon
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Nov 6, 2015 10:32:12 GMT -5
I could see HHH vs Rollins coming a while back but headling Mania after winning the Rumble makes it hilarious. Surely it can't be true.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 6, 2015 10:33:39 GMT -5
f*** no. If anything, Rollins should be the face against HHH. The Authority put him through bullshit like a Cena/Sting double header and facing Lesnar for months.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 6, 2015 10:38:55 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me at all. A lot of people can say "NEWZ" in regards to this as much as they like, however, Vince is out of touch enough to allow it to happen and Hunter with his ego would've went through with it too.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Nov 6, 2015 10:42:46 GMT -5
Didn't that final HHH/Lesnar match, had Lesnar begging HHH and saying stuff like "Please paul stop" during the match? Because to me, that didn't make brock look strong at all. Sure he beat him at the end, but man he looked weak during the match and needed Heyman's help to win. Totally the opposite of the booking in WM XXX, SS 14', and WM31 where Lesnar looked like a total beast that doesn't fear anyone. Yep. Triple H came out the night after on Raw and pretty much no sold the loss because Brock needed Heyman to beat him, after Triple H proved he could hang with him because he's the asskicker and he now wears black wrist tape. He used this as a means to essentially tell the audience that he (Triple H) was the actual winner of the feud because of this. He's done this many times before where he practically rolls his eyes about losing because it's not a big deal since he's already proven himself. I should also mention that this feud had so little heat, that they resorted to needing a promo of Stephanie McMahon defending her children after Heyman briefly mentioned them in one of his promos...that's how desperate they were to get people on Trips' side. Gee..you know...if you could f***ing sell a loss every once in a while...MAYBE the audience would have a little bit of compassion for you. I still maintain that not many people wanted to see this match. Yet they stretched it out for a year when Brock could instead be shown to dominate guys like Orton and Del Rio.
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wisdomwizard
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 6, 2015 10:44:21 GMT -5
Great. The face turn would have made sense, and it was something they were actually building up to. Granted, they could have had Hunter abandon him sooner. But this would have been a good feud.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 6, 2015 10:47:55 GMT -5
Didn't that final HHH/Lesnar match, had Lesnar begging HHH and saying stuff like "Please paul stop" during the match? Because to me, that didn't make brock look strong at all. Sure he beat him at the end, but man he looked weak during the match and needed Heyman's help to win. Totally the opposite of the booking in WM XXX, SS 14', and WM31 where Lesnar looked like a total beast that doesn't fear anyone. Yep. Triple H came out the night after on Raw and pretty much no sold the loss because Brock needed Heyman to beat him, after Triple H proved he could hang with him because he's the asskicker and he now wears black wrist tape. He used this as a means to essentially tell the audience that he (Triple H) was the actual winner of the feud because of this. He's done this many times before where he practically rolls his eyes about losing because it's not a big deal since he's already proven himself. I should also mention that this feud had so little heat, that they resorted to needing a promo of Stephanie McMahon defending her children after Heyman briefly mentioned them in one of his promos...that's how desperate they were to get people on Trips' side. Gee..you know...if you could f***ing sell a loss every once in a while...MAYBE the audience would have a little bit of compassion for you. I still maintain that not many people wanted to see this match. Yet they stretched it out for a year when Brock could instead be shown to dominate guys like Orton and Del Rio. Wait wait wait, didn't the night after their cage match (the last match they had, which Brock won) start the HHH/concussion angle that tied in with the debut of Curtis Axel? I swear there was this "is HHH fit to compete" angle that involved H/Steph/Vince over his well being
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 6, 2015 11:02:38 GMT -5
Wait wait wait, didn't the night after their cage match (the last match they had, which Brock won) start the HHH/concussion angle that tied in with the debut of Curtis Axel? I swear there was this "is HHH fit to compete" angle that involved H/Steph/Vince over his well being Correct, but that didn't stop him from dismissing the loss altogether. And how did that concussion angle work out? Surely that did wonders for Curtis Axel to get fluke wins. That's the best way to get a rub.
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Post by Error on Nov 6, 2015 11:07:40 GMT -5
Unless he talked about this after starting Hall of Fame talk, I listened to that show, and I can't recall Dave saying ANY OF THIS. I do recall Dave saying that the plan was that Seth Rollins would be involved with the title at WrestleMania, whether as champion or challenging for it, which opened up talk that he could have won the Royal Rumble. Up to recent times, Meltzer was hinting towards it still being The Rock vs. Triple H. Quoting this because more people need to see it. Also, just yesterday the news was Roman was taking the title and he and Seth were set to headline until.the Rumble. Seth/Hunter has been talked about for ages but never for the title.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 6, 2015 11:10:11 GMT -5
I don't even hhhate Haitch but that's just silly.
He has no business in any main events at this point.
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Post by corndog on Nov 6, 2015 11:18:31 GMT -5
That sounds absolutely ridiculous, can't see it happening. HHH winning the Rumble would be terrible. While he has inserted himself into feuds and probably will have a match at Wrestlemania, I truly can't see HHH booking himself to win the Rumble unless there is a face champion.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 6, 2015 11:32:39 GMT -5
Wait wait wait, didn't the night after their cage match (the last match they had, which Brock won) start the HHH/concussion angle that tied in with the debut of Curtis Axel? I swear there was this "is HHH fit to compete" angle that involved H/Steph/Vince over his well being Correct, but that didn't stop him from dismissing the loss altogether. And how did that concussion angle work out? Surely that did wonders for Curtis Axel to get fluke wins. That's the best way to get a rub. He dismissed the loss, but clearly it *did* effect him. He might not have broken down and wept, but his body clearly told the story that Lesnar did some damage to him. And there is no way you're going to pin Axel's atrocious booking all on the shoulders of HHH's character.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 11:44:05 GMT -5
Remember that promo where HHH said that he and Taker were the last of a dying breed and basically made it seem like everyone in the locker room was a joke compared to them?
I fully believe that HHH, the person, not the character really does believe that. So it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he saw himself on the same level as SCSA, the Rock, etc to the point that he sees the declining ratings and starts to think to himself, "I gotta come outta retirement to help SAVE this company. I don't wanna do it, but...." though he probably would really love it.
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