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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 20, 2015 20:56:03 GMT -5
My whole point is barely looks like it connects some times and it's not believable that 100 moves get kicked out of but the weakest of weak slams is death? That could be said for a lot of finishers but Bayleys is the worst of them all. Cena's Attitude Adjustment says hello. I suppose you hated it too when Shane Douglas was using it to win titles. And tons of people have complained about how weak the AA is. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 20, 2015 20:58:53 GMT -5
The new trying to get people to turn on Bayley fad needs to die.
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Post by lionelp on Nov 20, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5
I mentioned it in the NXT thread but when Bayley hits the BTB on Nia Jax, the pop will blow the roof off.
I think it's all in the quality and timing of the jump from her opponent as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 21:07:50 GMT -5
My whole point is barely looks like it connects some times and it's not believable that 100 moves get kicked out of but the weakest of weak slams is death? That could be said for a lot of finishers but Bayleys is the worst of them all. But you're wanting the move to be something it is not. The move is not death, the move is a capper on all she's done before. She beats the hell out of you and then uses the B2B as the final blow. |
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Nov 20, 2015 21:21:10 GMT -5
My whole point is barely looks like it connects some times and it's not believable that 100 moves get kicked out of but the weakest of weak slams is death? That could be said for a lot of finishers but Bayleys is the worst of them all. But you're wanting the move to be something it is not. The move is not death, the move is a capper on all she's done before. She beats the hell out of you and then uses the B2B as the final blow. So what was the finish in the Alexa match? Alexa was fine, she pulled Bayley up by her hair, Bayley slapped her and then hit the B2B. Instant death. Absolute shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 21:22:16 GMT -5
But you're wanting the move to be something it is not. The move is not death, the move is a capper on all she's done before. She beats the hell out of you and then uses the B2B as the final blow. So what was the finish in the Alexa match? Alexa was fine, she pulled Bayley up by her hair, Bayley slapped her and then hit the B2B. Instant death. Absolute shit. After a 10 or 15 minute match. That is not instant death. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 20, 2015 21:27:56 GMT -5
I think the problem I have with it as a finished is that a side belly to belly suplex has been treated like a normal move for decades. Even when Mabel, Rikishi and Yokozuna, who are 4-6 times her size, gave their opponent a belly to belly, they either didn't attempt a pinfall or it got nothing more than a 2 count. If a belly to belly from 640+ pound Yokozuna didn't put people away, then why should I believe that Bayley's suplex can? The logic I always use (and this goes for literally any move that's used a finisher by someone but is used as a regular move by a bunch of other folks) is that Mabel, Rikishi, and all those other dudes knew the move but Bayley MASTERED the move. Hence, that's why it's her finish. It's the move she's spent a long ass time perfecting. That's why it takes the Young Bucks (and all these other young cats) a million Superkicks to win a match while it usually only took HBK one. They know the move but HBK perfected the fine art of it and how to do it in such a manner that it's way more devastating than anybody else's. |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan on Nov 20, 2015 21:44:27 GMT -5
Whether it was the Shane Douglas version or the Scott Steiner version, I'm a mark for such a simple yet effective move. Yes. Or Owen Hart's one on running opponents. |
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Nov 20, 2015 21:45:13 GMT -5
Obviously, she needs the Canadian Destroyer. She can call it The Hug-O-Matic.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 20, 2015 21:47:47 GMT -5
If it was good enough for Magnum TA, it's good enough for me.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Nov 20, 2015 21:53:56 GMT -5
In big matches, it's more of an exclamation point than a full-on finisher. Against Alexa, it was the first time in a while it was used as an out-of-nowhere finisher. In the Takeover:Brooklyn match... the Poison Rana was the finisher.. the B2B was just to seal the deal and keep Sasha grounded.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Nov 20, 2015 22:15:23 GMT -5
Like all finishers, I think it's completely dependent on who is using it and how they use it. Bayley has a nice B2B and within the frame of the divas division, works well as a finish, especially with her execution of it. Also it fits with her gimmick, I know some things only exist in NXT land and sometimes that is where they stay, but the "Bayley's gonna hug you" chants add to it as well.
It just didn't look right with Bo. From start to finish, the momentum always seemed weird and it just didn't look effective with how he executed it.
Also I can believe in a division where the average build and frame is much lighter than its male counterparts, I can believe a belly to back being a bit more effective.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Nov 20, 2015 22:20:27 GMT -5
I think the problem I have with it as a finished is that a side belly to belly suplex has been treated like a normal move for decades. Even when Mabel, Rikishi and Yokozuna, who are 4-6 times her size, gave their opponent a belly to belly, they either didn't attempt a pinfall or it got nothing more than a 2 count. If a belly to belly from 640+ pound Yokozuna didn't put people away, then why should I believe that Bayley's suplex can? The logic I always use (and this goes for literally any move that's used a finisher by someone but is used as a regular move by a bunch of other folks) is that Mabel, Rikishi, and all those other dudes knew the move but Bayley MASTERED the move. Hence, that's why it's her finish. It's the move she's spent a long ass time perfecting. That's why it takes the Young Bucks (and all these other young cats) a million Superkicks to win a match while it usually only took HBK one. They know the move but HBK perfected the fine art of it and how to do it in such a manner that it's way more devastating than anybody else's. It's strong logic and I'd probably agree with you under most circumstances. It's just hard for me to buy a move I've seen for 20 years as a regular move now being used as a finisher. And while it'll never happen, Bayley explaining how she mastered it would make a pretty good vignette to win over cynical fans like me.  Also, I've seen Magnum namedropped a few times. I could buy him using it as a finisher in 1985 when suplexes weren't as common moves as they are now. But in modern times when even rookie wrestlers have video game movesets, I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept a belly to belly as a finish. Unless it was from someone the size of Mark Henry. |
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Post by Krazee on Nov 20, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
i like calling it Belly to Bayley personally
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan on Nov 20, 2015 23:07:15 GMT -5
Also, because of hug gimmick with the move, it gave me one of my favorite visuals in recent memory. When it looked like she had forgiven Emma for attacking her. That sold me on the move right then and there. When you get moments like that out of such a simple move, you don't really need anything more complicated.
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Post by nm on Nov 20, 2015 23:22:17 GMT -5
i like the move, it's the name i cant stand. i guess it's good but every time i hear the name i get douche chills
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 20, 2015 23:41:19 GMT -5
Whether it was the Shane Douglas version or the Scott Steiner version, I'm a mark for such a simple yet effective move. I will say Shane Douglas and Magnum TA had the best belly to belly by far. |
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 20, 2015 23:44:49 GMT -5
I think the problem I have with it as a finished is that a side belly to belly suplex has been treated like a normal move for decades. Even when Mabel, Rikishi and Yokozuna, who are 4-6 times her size, gave their opponent a belly to belly, they either didn't attempt a pinfall or it got nothing more than a 2 count. If a belly to belly from 640+ pound Yokozuna didn't put people away, then why should I believe that Bayley's suplex can? The logic I always use (and this goes for literally any move that's used a finisher by someone but is used as a regular move by a bunch of other folks) is that Mabel, Rikishi, and all those other dudes knew the move but Bayley MASTERED the move. Hence, that's why it's her finish. It's the move she's spent a long ass time perfecting. That's why it takes the Young Bucks (and all these other young cats) a million Superkicks to win a match while it usually only took HBK one. They know the move but HBK perfected the fine art of it and how to do it in such a manner that it's way more devastating than anybody else's. That's the logic I bring with the DDT. Everyone can do it but Jake Roberts was the undisputed master of it. Short ride for him, bad landing for you. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 20, 2015 23:47:26 GMT -5
I'm surprised people are defending it. It's a decent move, but it's a two-count move. I can't buy it as a finisher, especially like how the OP pointed out where she uses more painful moves prior to it that don't get the pinfall.
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Post by Kidneys4Free on Nov 21, 2015 1:08:17 GMT -5
The new trying to get people to turn on Bayley fad needs to die. Not liking her finisher means they want people to turn on her? |
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