Johnny
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Post by Johnny on Dec 17, 2015 15:24:33 GMT -5
I can appreciate both sides of this. From my perspective there's no difference between singing a WWE Approved Song™ like "New-DaySucks!" to heckle the New Day, and singing Hey Jude to show my support of Big Cass.
I've never wrestled, but I'd wager one of the best feelings is when you get the whole crowd praising you in unison.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 17, 2015 15:26:04 GMT -5
I threw it on mute like I usually do. Dumb chants and songs are not my scene at all. I'll beat up whoever tells me to lighten up or that I hate fun or whatever, too. On mommas, we will catch fade in the parking lot. Ooh, watch out everyone we got an internet tough guy over here! And I don't even know what that last part means.
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 17, 2015 15:35:42 GMT -5
I threw it on mute like I usually do. Dumb chants and songs are not my scene at all. I'll beat up whoever tells me to lighten up or that I hate fun or whatever, too. On mommas, we will catch fade in the parking lot. It has never made anyone look not stupid, I promise you. It's just not my idea of this nebulous concept of "fun" and does nothing for me. I'm not even mad about it or anything. I simply don't like it. It does not entertain me or add to the show for me at the best of times and at worst it takes me out of it. Pfft, singing a song while Bayley is getting MURDERED live on air. I love it when crowds are hot for a match even though a lot of humanoids on here think you can only have a obnoxious crowd or a dead silent one with absolutely no in between, and that obviously I'm clamoring for the latter since I hate the former. The thing that MAKES professional wrestling so unique and special as performance art and as a medium is the crowd interaction. The heels getting resounding boos, the crowd cheering on a babyface as he makes his triumphant comeback, the wrestlers playing to the audience. So much of what we see means nothing in a vacuum. The issue is this specific brand of crowd as well as the one NXT crowds bring to the table does not jive with my viewing experience or what I want to see from a crowd. It's so cutesy and tongue in cheek. These wrestlers are supposed to be fighting and telling a story in the ring for real, in a very human drama, so breaking out into songs as was the case for this show, and ironic, goofy, self-aware chants is how the crowds react? It doesn't come across as if they're engaging in show they're seeing the way I'd ideally like to engage in wrestling myself. It's like watching a movie or TV show with your friend and all they can f***ing do is make stupid jokes about things that just happened or reference other things the actors have been in however unrelated that is to let you know how funny and aware they are of things. Some people like that, a lot of people do apparently, but it's not what I'm watching wrestling or anything else for. This is also why I like Japanese crowds the most. Respectful, loud (anyone who says they're not loud has never even watched it) and they'll rally behind a wrestler by chanting his name to encourage him but you're not hearing any KORE WA RESURINGU! or WATASHITACHI WA SUBARASHII! chants breaking out. That's the mindset I approach watching a match with too. They're not putting themselves above the product, as if the only way they can invest themselves into the fight is by letting you know that they totally know how fake this and everything about it is, but they still think it's pretty cool. Because, despite what people claim, that IS how it comes across. When the f*** did cheering and booing become passe? At one point was it no longer sufficient to voice your pleasure or displeasure in that manner? I guess if you just do that then people wouldn't know how totally wise you are to the game. Also, as an aside, I don't care if they paid to be there, like that somehow makes how I feel about it moot. I paid to watch it, jabronis. That means I'm entitled to an opinion too, especially because the crowd is part of the show I paid for. That's another dumb argument I see pop up all too often. "I'm not even mad about it, but I'll beat up anyone who says different!". Sure...that...that makes sense. Not that it justifies his threats of violence, but when when you're told that you're stupid and hate fun for giving a negative opinion on crowds over and over again(which has been the go to rebuttal on this forum until recent-ish), someone's bound to lose their cool eventually.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 17, 2015 15:44:40 GMT -5
So say you've got this lead guitarist in a band. Can play, lots of skills. But they have no sense of dynamics or tastefulness, being a part of the music instead of playing over it. So those great skills go to waste and become an annoying buzz in your ear. That's how I feel about the NXT crowd most of the time. You just don't understand what it means to be avant garde
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 17, 2015 15:44:48 GMT -5
My take on it is this:
It's fine to not enjoy that type of crowd. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
But saying "God, I wish these f***ers would shut up. I'm sick of their stupid f***ing singing, they're trying to make it all about them!" is just rude, disrespectful and regarding the final part of that sentence, plain wrong.
They're not getting themselves over, they are chants FOR THE WRESTLERS ABOUT THE WRESTLERS. And yes they're songs but all chants are a form of song. You don't chant in a speaking voice.
There's no difference between "Hey Bayley" and "Let's Go Bayley" except because you're not used to the former, it's "wrong". Plus it added to the match. When Bayley was down, singing that song was the crowd trying to will her on. I actually felt the crowd improved that match just by their chants and the atmosphere.
In summary....different countries have different cultures. I'm not used to some American chants like when they chant for their college football team or whatever during a show. I don't complain, I just get over it. This was a one-time (first time in fact) deal where the UK finally got a live event that would be broadcast round the world. Deal with it.
You'll get your boring Corpus Christi-esque crowds back shortly.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 17, 2015 15:54:25 GMT -5
I can appreciate both sides of this. From my perspective there's no difference between singing a WWE Approved Song™ like "New-DaySucks!" to heckle the New Day, and singing Hey Jude to show my support of Big Cass. I've never wrestled, but I'd wager one of the best feelings is when you get the whole crowd praising you in unison. Some of our wrestler posters said that the workers really appreciate them.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 17, 2015 15:54:41 GMT -5
They should do away with crowds altogether and put in a laugh track for all the funnies that are told.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 17, 2015 15:58:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but get over it.
I don't mean that in a snarky way, I mean to say that you'll HAVE to because this is something that's never going to change unless strict rules are put in place, which I guarantee will get even more complaints.
I just fail to see how this can bother some of you to the point that it does. It's such a miniscule non-issue to me. With what's going on in the World today, this should not be a thing. Complaints about the show itself are one thing (even if it also doesn't matter) because we're supposed to be paying attention to that. These are people in the background.
So get over it, please. For your own sake. This doesn't need anymore threads.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 17, 2015 15:59:48 GMT -5
Here's the text I sent my brother while watching the show yesterday. "I wish those cornballs at NXT would shut the f*** up every now and then though. I get chills seeing how the crowd reacts to guys like Enzo and Cass then I get annoyed when they start their stupid as f*** chanting during the match. Just let the story play out you goofy f***s." Someone earlier in the thread said it best about yesterday but I think it applies to the regular NXT audience too, they kept it up for so long that they eventually sounded like a pointless drone. By all means, cheer, boo, have some fun, chant a few things here and there, but my god, you don't have to be constantly saying words at the ring. Not everyone is gonna kill everyone else, not every botch deserves a "you f***ed up" chant, and not every chant has to be a full sentence. This post exists for no reason other than stoking flames on a heated subject that is starting to be insulting already. This level of abuse towards other posters is not ok. We had MANY in attendance. You will NOT manipulate this by saying "well I'm just copy and pasting a different convo". No. You know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. Stop it right the f*** now. Posts like this are designed as backhanded pot shots trying to skirt flaming rules here. Other posters are at least trying to be conctructive with an argument. You are not.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 17, 2015 16:00:59 GMT -5
I threw it on mute like I usually do. Dumb chants and songs are not my scene at all. I'll beat up whoever tells me to lighten up or that I hate fun or whatever, too. On mommas, we will catch fade in the parking lot. It has never made anyone look not stupid, I promise you. It's just not my idea of this nebulous concept of "fun" and does nothing for me. I'm not even mad about it or anything. I simply don't like it. It does not entertain me or add to the show for me at the best of times and at worst it takes me out of it. Pfft, singing a song while Bayley is getting MURDERED live on air. I love it when crowds are hot for a match even though a lot of humanoids on here think you can only have a obnoxious crowd or a dead silent one with absolutely no in between, and that obviously I'm clamoring for the latter since I hate the former. The thing that MAKES professional wrestling so unique and special as performance art and as a medium is the crowd interaction. The heels getting resounding boos, the crowd cheering on a babyface as he makes his triumphant comeback, the wrestlers playing to the audience. So much of what we see means nothing in a vacuum. The issue is this specific brand of crowd as well as the one NXT crowds bring to the table does not jive with my viewing experience or what I want to see from a crowd. It's so cutesy and tongue in cheek. These wrestlers are supposed to be fighting and telling a story in the ring for real, in a very human drama, so breaking out into songs as was the case for this show, and ironic, goofy, self-aware chants is how the crowds react? It doesn't come across as if they're engaging in show they're seeing the way I'd ideally like to engage in wrestling myself. It's like watching a movie or TV show with your friend and all they can f***ing do is make stupid jokes about things that just happened or reference other things the actors have been in however unrelated that is to let you know how funny and aware they are of things. Some people like that, a lot of people do apparently, but it's not what I'm watching wrestling or anything else for. This is also why I like Japanese crowds the most. Respectful, loud (anyone who says they're not loud has never even watched it) and they'll rally behind a wrestler by chanting his name to encourage him but you're not hearing any KORE WA RESURINGU! or WATASHITACHI WA SUBARASHII! chants breaking out. That's the mindset I approach watching a match with too. They're not putting themselves above the product, as if the only way they can invest themselves into the fight is by letting you know that they totally know how fake this and everything about it is, but they still think it's pretty cool. Because, despite what people claim, that IS how it comes across. When the f*** did cheering and booing become passe? At one point was it no longer sufficient to voice your pleasure or displeasure in that manner? I guess if you just do that then people wouldn't know how totally wise you are to the game. Also, as an aside, I don't care if they paid to be there, like that somehow makes how I feel about it moot. I paid to watch it, jabronis. That means I'm entitled to an opinion too, especially because the crowd is part of the show I paid for. That's another dumb argument I see pop up all too often. You needing to threaten violence over this is pathetic. Do this on my board again and you'll be banned.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 17, 2015 16:08:10 GMT -5
Y'all (both sides) are passionate bout some rasslin; I'll say that.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 17, 2015 16:08:30 GMT -5
Yeah, that one posts pretty much highlights how stupid this is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 16:09:07 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on a different board, and I agreed/others did, that a WrestleMania in the UK would be awesome.
With the show being around 5 hours long now, it starting at 2 PM (Central) would be a godsend to me.
Plus, it would create an extremely unique atmosphere.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 17, 2015 16:18:14 GMT -5
I didn't read the OP or the thread but I agree, England does suck.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 17, 2015 16:24:14 GMT -5
LEAVE CORPUS CHRISTI ALONE!!!
Any of you jabronis talke another shot at CC again and I'm going to reply with a strongly-worded disagreement. You have been warned.
(Not that I've ever been there or that I disagree, but I have a soft spot for the underdog and hate to see a city get bullied on a message board.)
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 17, 2015 16:24:36 GMT -5
I didn't read the OP or the thread but I agree, England does suck. Yeah? Oh yeah? Well, America....smells.....bad. Very bad!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 16:25:45 GMT -5
If ya'll hate Corpus Christi, how ya'll feel about Houston?
I ask because I've yet to watch NOC back to see how we came off.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 17, 2015 16:31:55 GMT -5
I didn't read the OP or the thread but I agree, England does suck. At least we don't clap in movie theaters, what's that about?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 17, 2015 16:39:18 GMT -5
I didn't read the OP or the thread but I agree, England does suck. Yeah? Oh yeah? Well, America....smells.....bad. Very bad! Brah, we have TWO Carolinas. How many Carolinas do you guys have??? ...Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 17, 2015 16:40:23 GMT -5
Y'all (both sides) are passionate bout some rasslin; I'll say that. We're out here SCRAPING FOR OUR LIVES IN THE 20x20 because we eat, sleep, and breathe DIS BUSINESS!
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