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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 25, 2015 22:03:53 GMT -5
Honestly I've been thinking the superhero bubble is on the verge of bursting for awhile now, and I could see Infinity War being the tipping point. Either way, Marvel'll probably fall off hard after that given they're basically losing all of the heroes people, y'know, care about. People have literally been saying this for every Superhero the last two years right? It's not just me noticing that? I certainly thought Guardians of The Galaxy was gonna be the burst. Then I figured Ant-Man might have been. Both proved me wrong. I'm no longer anticipating a "burst" because I think Marvel and Disney have done a really great job of future proofing the genre, at least for the next five years or so.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Dec 25, 2015 23:00:50 GMT -5
People have literally been saying this for every Superhero the last two years right? It's not just me noticing that? I certainly thought Guardians of The Galaxy was gonna be the burst. Then I figured Ant-Man might have been. Both proved me wrong. I'm no longer anticipating a "burst" because I think Marvel and Disney have done a really great job of future proofing the genre, at least for the next five years or so. The burst is when the films all suck. Like a couple solid years of shitty films. I don't think anything else can pop it. If shit like ASM 2 and Fantastic 4 couldn't, it just takes lack of confidence in the entire genre.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 25, 2015 23:51:38 GMT -5
The superhero movie bubble has never burst. There have been flops of course like there are in any genre, but for the most part, they've been popular since the first Superman movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 0:10:32 GMT -5
Honestly I've been thinking the superhero bubble is on the verge of bursting for awhile now, and I could see Infinity War being the tipping point. Either way, Marvel'll probably fall off hard after that given they're basically losing all of the heroes people, y'know, care about. People have literally been saying this for every Superhero the last two years right? It's not just me noticing that? And there've been signs of it happening, like that the second Avengers did nowhere near as well as the first one and Ant Man not getting the same post-Avengers bump Iron Man 3 did. I don't think they're all going to start flopping or anything, just that over-saturation's hurting their drawing power.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 26, 2015 1:12:21 GMT -5
Avengers: Age of Ultron grossed over a billion dollars worldwide. How is that disappointing to Marvel/Disney or to anyone really?
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 26, 2015 1:25:26 GMT -5
Maybe they'll make movies based off the Netflix shows. They'd have to be more accesible to people who dont watch those shows of course, so nothing thats too continuity-heavy of course, but Daredevil could work (not sure about Jessica Jones as i havent gotten a chance to watch that show yet).
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 26, 2015 1:26:12 GMT -5
"Marvel Supervillains vs Disney Princesses"
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 26, 2015 1:54:32 GMT -5
People have literally been saying this for every Superhero the last two years right? It's not just me noticing that? And there've been signs of it happening, like that the second Avengers did nowhere near as well as the first one and Ant Man not getting the same post-Avengers bump Iron Man 3 did. I don't think they're all going to start flopping or anything, just that over-saturation's hurting their drawing power. Nowhere near? Avengers 1 did 1.5 billion, and Avengers 2 did 1.4 billion. Ant-Man was a new, somewhat of a gamble, while Iron Man 3 was an established commodity. I'm not necessarily disagreeing or agreeing with your point. But your numbers and comparisons are kinda off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 2:09:31 GMT -5
And there've been signs of it happening, like that the second Avengers did nowhere near as well as the first one and Ant Man not getting the same post-Avengers bump Iron Man 3 did. I don't think they're all going to start flopping or anything, just that over-saturation's hurting their drawing power. Nowhere near? Avengers 1 did 1.5 billion, and Avengers 2 did 1.4 billion. Ant-Man was a new, somewhat of a gamble, while Iron Man 3 was an established commodity. I'm not necessarily disagreeing or agreeing with your point. But your numbers and comparisons are kinda off. My mistake on Avengers 2 I guess, was mostly thionking in terms of the opening weekend which came in well below what the first one's did. As for Ant Man, true, it wasn't as defined as Iron Man or anything and it was still a success, but just didn't do the usual Marvel numbers even with Iron Man 3 shattering expectations in a similar position.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 26, 2015 4:04:35 GMT -5
Avengers: Age of Ultron grossed over a billion dollars worldwide. How is that disappointing to Marvel/Disney or to anyone really? I agree with you, but according to Forbes: linkOf course, this is all rumor.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 26, 2015 5:33:59 GMT -5
The superhero movie bubble has never burst. There have been flops of course like there are in any genre, but for the most part, they've been popular since the first Superman movie. When I see people talk about the bubble bursting I presume they mean the age of comic book movies dominating the box office on a yearly basis ending, and slipping back to pre-MCU levels of a big hit every two or three years with a lot of mildly-profitable movies in between.
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Post by enraged emu on Dec 26, 2015 9:15:20 GMT -5
Phase 4.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 9:41:13 GMT -5
I always think it weird people talk about this bubble bursting when there's still so many heroes we still haven't seen in their own movies.
Storm? Wonder Woman? Static can't get a movie? People are just going to sleep on a possible Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) movie once they get Captain Marvel out of the way? Nobody thinks Marvel is going to do a soft reboot of Ghost Rider with Robbie Reyes? DC's not going to try to take a crack at adapting Amethyst?
Marvel isn't going to promote the living shit out of if and when they finally put Miles Morales behind the mask? Like, there's so much shit even the mainstream comic companies still haven't touched yet when it comes to movies. To say the bubble is going to burst with the implication that all the heroes "people care about" have been done sounds myopic to me.
Again, Iron Man was a bit on the fringes before Marvel decided to go all-in with him to kick off their MCU. I mean, if you were heading those movies at the time would you have really thought to kick off an extended cinematic universe off the shoulders of an Iron Man movie?
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Post by sternrogers01 on Dec 26, 2015 10:26:52 GMT -5
Static can't get a movie? People are just going to sleep on a possible Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) movie once they get Captain Marvel out of the way? Marvel isn't going to promote the living shit out of if and when they finally put Miles Morales behind the mask? People seriously overestimate the popularity of Miles. He's not as big as comic fans pretend, and his sales eventually were weaksauce. Time will tell if he can swim in 616.
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 26, 2015 10:48:41 GMT -5
Static can't get a movie? People are just going to sleep on a possible Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) movie once they get Captain Marvel out of the way? Marvel isn't going to promote the living shit out of if and when they finally put Miles Morales behind the mask? People seriously overestimate the popularity of Miles. He's not as big as comic fans pretend, and his sales eventually were weaksauce. Time will tell if he can swim in 616.
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate. You say P.C. suicide. I say all the free publicity Fox News can buy.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 26, 2015 10:56:30 GMT -5
Star Wars Crossover.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:07:29 GMT -5
Static can't get a movie? People are just going to sleep on a possible Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) movie once they get Captain Marvel out of the way? Marvel isn't going to promote the living shit out of if and when they finally put Miles Morales behind the mask? People seriously overestimate the popularity of Miles. He's not as big as comic fans pretend, and his sales eventually were weaksauce. Time will tell if he can swim in 616.
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate. Yeah, that's a C'mon, Son!/10. Marvel really should (and likely would) plaster it all over the place with a Miles movie, that's all I said. It's just I don't see the point of pretending people were really checking for the Iron Man before RDJ got cast. ...and what are you even talking about with Ms. Marvel?
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 26, 2015 11:13:27 GMT -5
...and what are you even talking about with Ms. Marvel? I think he is referring to the fact she is an Arab Muslim.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2015 11:25:36 GMT -5
People seriously overestimate the popularity of Miles. He's not as big as comic fans pretend, and his sales eventually were weaksauce. Time will tell if he can swim in 616.
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate. Yeah, that's a C'mon, Son!/10. Marvel really should (and likely would) plaster it all over the place with a Miles movie, that's all I said. It's just I don't see the point of pretending people were really checking for the Iron Man before RDJ got cast. ...and what are you even talking about with Ms. Marvel? Yeah, Iron man was pretty much at best a B tier hero in Marvel when the movie came out. Under X-men, Spider-man, and the Fantastic Four. and once again... if a f***ing Guardians of the Galaxy movie where even comic book fans didn't really know the characters can come out and make a ton of money that argument is totally invalid... That said since they went with High School Peter for some reason (seriously he was in high school for 3 years in the comics and stopped being a student in the late 70's) I don't see Miles happening for a good long while. As for Phase 4... I dunno... build to Kang or The Masters of Evil or Scarlet Witch with a disassembled story? I think a Kamala Khan movie is definitely in the pipe once Carol and the Inhumans are out.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Dec 26, 2015 11:38:24 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a C'mon, Son!/10. Marvel really should (and likely would) plaster it all over the place with a Miles movie, that's all I said. It's just I don't see the point of pretending people were really checking for the Iron Man before RDJ got cast. ...and what are you even talking about with Ms. Marvel? Yeah, Iron man was pretty much at best a B tier hero in Marvel when the movie came out. Under X-men, Spider-man, and the Fantastic Four. Stark was pretty a-plus by the time Civil War came about in the books, two years before Iron Man's movie came out.
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