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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 1, 2016 21:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah, they either fell into the trap taht Fantastic four is a team... when it's not... it's a family. or They gave it to the guy who didn't want to make a Fantastic Four movie and wanted to make some body horror movie instead... so Fox were sent scrambling trying to add new scenes that made it more like a Fantastic Four movie than a movie that just had characters named like the Fantastic Four. at the very least with how much money they lost on Fant4stic you can guarantee someone at Fox is undoubtedly cursing that they didn't just sell Fantastic Four back to Marvel when they offered... I'm just pissed we can't get Kang in an Avengers movie because he is considered a Fantastic Four character Kang first appeared in Avengers, and while he's gone some rounds with the FF, is considered an Avengers character. So is his future counterpart Immortus, though his past counterpart Rama-Tut is likely considered FF.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 1, 2016 21:24:14 GMT -5
I'm just pissed we can't get Kang in an Avengers movie because he is considered a Fantastic Four character Kang first appeared in Avengers, and while he's gone some rounds with the FF, is considered an Avengers character. So is his future counterpart Immortus, though his past counterpart Rama-Tut is likely considered FF. Gunn said that Kang was with Fox when someone asked if Kang would show up in Guardians of the Galaxy. Though he could be mistaken... (not sure why Kang would be in Guardians anyway)
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 1, 2016 21:31:25 GMT -5
Kang first appeared in Avengers, and while he's gone some rounds with the FF, is considered an Avengers character. So is his future counterpart Immortus, though his past counterpart Rama-Tut is likely considered FF. Gunn said that Kang was with Fox when someone asked if Kang would show up in Guardians of the Galaxy. Though he could be mistaken... (not sure why Kang would be in Guardians anyway) I feel Gunn was mistaken.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 1, 2016 21:32:18 GMT -5
Gunn said that Kang was with Fox when someone asked if Kang would show up in Guardians of the Galaxy. Though he could be mistaken... (not sure why Kang would be in Guardians anyway) I feel Gunn was mistaken. Yeah, I don't really see why he would be a FF character. Especially since Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver count as Avengers.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jan 1, 2016 21:40:20 GMT -5
I feel Gunn was mistaken. Yeah, I don't really see why he would be a FF character. Especially since Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver count as Avengers. But they aren't mutants in the Avengers movie, they are "enhanced". Kang helped the Guardians during the Realm of Kings Story line.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 1, 2016 21:54:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't really see why he would be a FF character. Especially since Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver count as Avengers. But they aren't mutants in the Avengers movie, they are "enhanced". Kang helped the Guardians during the Realm of Kings Story line. It isn't about them being mutants, it's the characters themselves. The twins first appeared in X-Men comics as X-Men characters, so that franchise has a right to them. However, they spent far more time in the Avengers books than the X-books, so they're some of the few characters that have strong basis in both.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 1, 2016 23:36:17 GMT -5
Any villain after Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet is going to feel like a step-down. It's the Dragonball Z problem, in which each bad guy has to be even more super strong invincible than the last. Loki wanted to conquer Earth. Ultron wanted to wipe it out. But Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet can wipe out the entire universe (though I suspect that will be nerfed to make audiences believe that characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow could actually do something to stop Thanos). Another movie in which the earth is threatened with oblivion (Galactus? Dormammu?) or totalitarian rule (Doctor Doom? Kang?) will feel like a retread. And Marvel hasn't really set up enough B or C level villains to do a team vs. team movie, that is, if Baron Zemo makes it out of Civil War to lead the Masters of Evil against the Avengers.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jan 2, 2016 19:27:23 GMT -5
I'm just pissed we can't get Kang in an Avengers movie because he is considered a Fantastic Four character Kang first appeared in Avengers, and while he's gone some rounds with the FF, is considered an Avengers character. So is his future counterpart Immortus, though his past counterpart Rama-Tut is likely considered FF. Rama-Tut also plays a role in Apocalypse's backstory, so that's another reason that Kang might be in Fox's toybox. I hope Gunn really was mistaken, though, as I'd love to see Kang be the villain of an Avengers film one day.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 2, 2016 20:07:46 GMT -5
Kang first appeared in Avengers, and while he's gone some rounds with the FF, is considered an Avengers character. So is his future counterpart Immortus, though his past counterpart Rama-Tut is likely considered FF. Rama-Tut also plays a role in Apocalypse's backstory, so that's another reason that Kang might be in Fox's toybox. I hope Gunn really was mistaken, though, as I'd love to see Kang be the villain of an Avengers film one day. Again, though (and please consider I was one of the ones who long ago helped out - at the very base level of all of this - in the creation of the lists of who belonged in which "families"), that would only make Rama-Tut FF-exclusive, not Kang. I know it's confusing, but for certain purposes, Rama-Tut, Kang, Immortus and Scarlet Centurion (and Iron Lad) are considered separate characters, while for other purposes they're considered one and the same. Heck, Kang (AS Kang) has only shown up in FF books 6 times that I can discern - in one 3-part story in the late 80s and then in three annuals. As Kang, with none of the Rama-Tut stuff thrown in to the mix, he's completely an Avengers character.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jan 2, 2016 20:46:12 GMT -5
It's not confusing at all, to me at least. I'm just adding to what the rationale could be if Gunn isn't mistaken - 'cause I've yet to see anything from Marvel Studios or Fox that debunks his claim.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 2, 2016 21:10:49 GMT -5
I would assume that Kang is fairly low on the priority list for characters to use, so they haven't really felt any need to hash things out strictly, but if it really came down to it, Marvel would probably have a good case for being able to use him. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are so closely tied to two continuities that they needed to figure it out since there was no way that they didn't eventually appear in both.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jan 3, 2016 1:59:35 GMT -5
Basically, whatever they want. I'm not nearly so arrogant to say they "can't miss" as there have been disappointments, but they have been faithful enough to the Comics bring in that base while creating a universe comfortable enough to create it's own audience. The success of all the properties from the known heroes to Guardians and Ant-Man shows that Marvel is doing something right here and honestly, as we build to Infinity War, the audience and demand should logically grow and want more.
Like it or not, as proven by Star Wars, Marvel and even the DC stuff, we live in geek culture becoming the norm. So why shouldn't it maintain and even grow?
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 3, 2016 6:34:14 GMT -5
Like it or not, as proven by Star Wars, Marvel and even the DC stuff, we live in geek culture becoming the norm. So why shouldn't it maintain and even grow? Geek culture becoming the norm is a terrifying thought. And I say that as one.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 3, 2016 12:30:26 GMT -5
Like it or not, as proven by Star Wars, Marvel and even the DC stuff, we live in geek culture becoming the norm. So why shouldn't it maintain and even grow? Geek culture becoming the norm is a terrifying thought. And I say that as one. Why? I enjoy living in an era where people of all ages can enjoy properties marketed mostly towards kids with less negative stigma.
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Post by chrom on Jan 3, 2016 17:14:41 GMT -5
Geek culture becoming the norm is a terrifying thought. And I say that as one. Why? I enjoy living in an era where people of all ages can enjoy properties marketed mostly towards kids with less negative stigma. It's good to see it being accepted and put into mainstream culture, instead of being viewed with contempt as something that only guys with neckbeards and nerds with double wide glasses who have never seen a real live girl would be into.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 3, 2016 18:47:49 GMT -5
Why? I enjoy living in an era where people of all ages can enjoy properties marketed mostly towards kids with less negative stigma. It's good to see it being accepted and put into mainstream culture, instead of being viewed with contempt as something that only guys with neckbeards and nerds with double wide glasses who have never seen a real live girl would be into. ...are you being sarcastic?
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Post by chrom on Jan 3, 2016 18:51:13 GMT -5
It's good to see it being accepted and put into mainstream culture, instead of being viewed with contempt as something that only guys with neckbeards and nerds with double wide glasses who have never seen a real live girl would be into. ...are you being sarcastic? No, that was just a joke of the perceived image most people before had of Comic Book fans that you'd be seeing.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 3, 2016 18:57:20 GMT -5
...are you being sarcastic? No, that was just the perceived image most people before had of Comic Book fans that you'd be seeing. Maybe with some people before the past few years, I guess. But if (or since) that image is falling by the wayside, why be bothered by geek culture becoming more mainstream?
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Post by chrom on Jan 3, 2016 19:01:53 GMT -5
No, that was just the perceived image most people before had of Comic Book fans that you'd be seeing. Maybe with some people before the past few years, I guess. But if (or since) that image is falling by the wayside, why be bothered by geek culture becoming more mainstream? It was just a joke. I'm glad more people are getting into Comics, Anime and other stuff as well.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jan 3, 2016 20:17:01 GMT -5
Comics, video games, fantasy novels, tons of stuff. It's been a trend since the original Star Wars and Superman movies, started main streaming with Batman in 89, hit a Renessance with Lord of the Rings.
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