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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2015 11:44:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Iron man was pretty much at best a B tier hero in Marvel when the movie came out. Under X-men, Spider-man, and the Fantastic Four. Stark was pretty a-plus by the time Civil War came about in the books, two years before Iron Man's movie came out. That was after teh movie was already being filmed. The Iron Man movie went to 30 writers and they all passed due to them feeling that Iron man was too obscure a character. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 26, 2015 11:51:45 GMT -5
I didn't address the topic in my prior post. I'd like to see them get their hands back on the Fantastic Four.
But, I dunno. I'm not done with Cap yet. He's been my favorite Marvel hero for years. I could watch 29 Cap films to be honest.
With Steve still as Cap. I forgot to mention that. Not here for Bucky or Sam as Cap.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 26, 2015 12:05:05 GMT -5
A brutal, bloody beatdown of Darcy or I riot.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Dec 26, 2015 14:05:20 GMT -5
Personally I'm hoping for Secret Invasion, Annihilation, or Planet/World War Hulk
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 26, 2015 14:36:21 GMT -5
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate. ...I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Ms. Marvel is one of the most popular titles the company has going now, how would putting a positive Muslim character in the spotlight hurt them? Unless you're talking about a fringe group of idiots that likely wouldn't impact their bottom line much? |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 26, 2015 14:59:18 GMT -5
Avengers: Age of Ultron grossed over a billion dollars worldwide. How is that disappointing to Marvel/Disney or to anyone really? I agree with you, but according to Forbes: linkOf course, this is all rumor. So Marvel/Disney was expecting another record breaking success? It still broke records, made massive amount of money, and was still successful regardless of the circumstances. By Whedon's admission he intentionally scaled back the film by making it more personal, less focus on effects and action, and more about the characters and the build up to Civil War/Infinity War. Granted I can understand why some people didn't care for it and why the corporate honchos were less than thrilled to a degree. Personally I do believe Marvel needs to take more risks and up the stakes with the films and characters. That way these types of situations don't arise in the near future. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 26, 2015 14:59:49 GMT -5
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate. ...I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Ms. Marvel is one of the most popular titles the company has going now, how would putting a positive Muslim character in the spotlight hurt them? Unless you're talking about a fringe group of idiots that likely wouldn't impact their bottom line much? I thought the first Miss Marvel/Captain Marvel is focusing on Carol Danvers? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 15:00:42 GMT -5
Laugh at DC's attempts to create their own universe.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 26, 2015 15:03:34 GMT -5
Do Acts of Vengeance. I think that story would be a blast on the big screen. The original Thunderbolts could work as a big movie arc. Spoilers for those who havent read the comics, even if they're 15-20 years old at this point (where the f did time go?): {Spoiler}Movie 1: Under Siege, Avengers vs The Masters of Evil.
Movie 2: Thunderbolts, ending with the swerve and reveal of the T-bolts true identities.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Dec 26, 2015 15:18:59 GMT -5
Not to mention it's practically P.C suicide to even attempt a Miss Marvel movie at the moment given the current climate. ...I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Ms. Marvel is one of the most popular titles the company has going now, how would putting a positive Muslim character in the spotlight hurt them? Unless you're talking about a fringe group of idiots that likely wouldn't impact their bottom line much? Fringe comic books sales don't speak for the growing widespread problem of Islamaphobia in the real world. You don't have to convince me about doing a film, I'd be fine with it, you have to convince all the nutters polling for Trump to let a film like that slide I won't say more on the matter because this really is'nt the place for it...just it's more difficult to market the movie than it is to market a comic. Kamala's a pretty overrated character as it is anyway. She gets by on being what? A fangirl superhero? That's the measuring stick now? I find that the most annoying bit about her. Everything else? Fine, but let her grow out of this sometime. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 26, 2015 15:34:35 GMT -5
...I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Ms. Marvel is one of the most popular titles the company has going now, how would putting a positive Muslim character in the spotlight hurt them? Unless you're talking about a fringe group of idiots that likely wouldn't impact their bottom line much? Fringe comic books sales don't speak for the growing widespread problem of Islamaphobia in the real world. You don't have to convince me about doing a film, I'd be fine with it, you have to convince all the nutters polling for Trump to let a film like that slide I won't say more on the matter because this really is'nt the place for it...just it's more difficult to market the movie than it is to market a comic. Kamala's a pretty overrated character as it is anyway. She gets by on being what? A fangirl superhero? That's the measuring stick now? I find that the most annoying bit about her. Everything else? Fine, but let her grow out of this sometime. By "annoying" do you mean one of her most endearing qualities? A lot of writers, male and female, fall into this trap of thinking a good female character should always deal with a certain degree of inner turmoil. Kamala feels like a rebuke of that, and it's refreshing (this coming from a Jessica Jones fan). |
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 26, 2015 15:38:59 GMT -5
Fringe comic books sales don't speak for the growing widespread problem of Islamaphobia in the real world. You don't have to convince me about doing a film, I'd be fine with it, you have to convince all the nutters polling for Trump to let a film like that slide I won't say more on the matter because this really is'nt the place for it...just it's more difficult to market the movie than it is to market a comic. Kamala's a pretty overrated character as it is anyway. She gets by on being what? A fangirl superhero? That's the measuring stick now? I find that the most annoying bit about her. Everything else? Fine, but let her grow out of this sometime. By "annoying" do you mean one of her most endearing qualities? A lot of writers, male and female, fall into this trap of thinking a good female character should always deal with a certain degree of inner turmoil. Kamala feels like a rebuke of that, and it's refreshing (this coming from a Jessica Jones fan). Forget that, does she know which way to pin someone after 20+ years? |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 26, 2015 18:59:25 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm cynical, but given how popular and financially successful the new Star Wars movie is, perhaps precisely because it follows so many of the narrative beats of A New Hope verbatim, it's hard not to look back on Guardians of the Galaxy and see the same basic copying, in broad strokes, of A New Hope as well. - a ragtag group of individuals comes together as a family. - Starlord is Luke, the young man disillusioned with his homeworld, Gamora is Leia, the young woman trying to do the right thing, Rocket Raccoon is R2-D2, the plucky little sidekick, and Drax and Groot share/exchange the C3P0 and Chewbacca roles when need be as they often function as comedic relief. - Starlord's narrative journey is tied in part to decisions made by his father, someone whom he does not know, just like Luke. - There is an exciting prison break scene. - The big bad of each movie, Darth Vader and Ronan the Accuser, work for an even greater power who exists behind the scenes (Emperor Palpatine, Thanos). - The good guys have object X that they need to get to a secure planet to stop the bad guys (Death Star plans, the Orb/Power Gem). - The movie ends with the good guys engaging in a dogfight with the bad guys' giant spaceship, as the bad guys want to destroy the planet. - Both films provide a grimy, lived in, realistic space/sci-fi aesthetic compared to the clean, antiseptic look of other space/sci-fi movies. I mean, if people are willing to pay for A New Hope with a different title, Disney would be stupid not to put that movie out. That they've made millions by putting that movie out twice in 16 months is kind of a masterstroke of branding, as interest in one IP bleeds into interest into the other IP. So? Star Wars takes a lot of inspiration from The Wizard of Oz, what's your point? |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 26, 2015 19:16:43 GMT -5
So? Star Wars takes a lot of inspiration from The Wizard of Oz, what's your point? That new sci-fi space opera series will likely only be successful if they mimic the narrative structure of A New Hope and capture the nostalgia people have for that movie, especially when introducing unfamiliar, if not altogether new, characters to audiences who either grant Disney the benefit of the doubt because of the strength of the Marvel brand (GOTG) or for the desire for a 'real' Star Wars after the perceived failure of the prequels? Yeah, nah. GotG was a success because of its ties to Marvel and being independently great as a stand alone film. People aren't going to stop watching Guardians because Star Wars. That's a ridiculous thought. They're not even close in tone. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2015 19:53:08 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm cynical, but given how popular and financially successful the new Star Wars movie is, perhaps precisely because it follows so many of the narrative beats of A New Hope verbatim, it's hard not to look back on Guardians of the Galaxy and see the same basic copying, in broad strokes, of A New Hope as well. - a ragtag group of individuals comes together as a family. - Starlord is Luke, the young man disillusioned with his homeworld, Gamora is Leia, the young woman trying to do the right thing, Rocket Raccoon is R2-D2, the plucky little sidekick, and Drax and Groot share/exchange the C3P0 and Chewbacca roles when need be as they often function as comedic relief. - Starlord's narrative journey is tied in part to decisions made by his father, someone whom he does not know, just like Luke. - There is an exciting prison break scene. - The big bad of each movie, Darth Vader and Ronan the Accuser, work for an even greater power who exists behind the scenes (Emperor Palpatine, Thanos). - The good guys have object X that they need to get to a secure planet to stop the bad guys (Death Star plans, the Orb/Power Gem). - The movie ends with the good guys engaging in a dogfight with the bad guys' giant spaceship, as the bad guys want to destroy the planet. - Both films provide a grimy, lived in, realistic space/sci-fi aesthetic compared to the clean, antiseptic look of other space/sci-fi movies. I mean, if people are willing to pay for A New Hope with a different title, Disney would be stupid not to put that movie out. That they've made millions by putting that movie out twice in 16 months is kind of a masterstroke of branding, as interest in one IP bleeds into interest into the other IP. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 26, 2015 22:24:33 GMT -5
Sebastian Stan will still have 4 films on his contract, 5 if Infinity War shooting together counts as 1. Expect him to get built up huge in Civil War and Infinity War, as they'll need him to be a marquee character for Phase 4.
Jeremy Renner will also have 2 or 3 left on his contract, so Hawkeye can be expected to be around, possibly in a bigger role with Iron Man, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, and Thor presumably gone.
You also have to assume the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Falcon, and Ms. Marvel will still be a big part of the MCU being fairly newly introduced.
Then the big one - Spider-Man. His solo film is slated for phase 4. Expect a ton of Spidey.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2015 22:29:26 GMT -5
...I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Ms. Marvel is one of the most popular titles the company has going now, how would putting a positive Muslim character in the spotlight hurt them? Unless you're talking about a fringe group of idiots that likely wouldn't impact their bottom line much? I thought the first Miss Marvel/Captain Marvel is focusing on Carol Danvers? I like Carol, but Monica Rambeau would make an equally good subject. If nothing else, her powers would look cooler on-screen. I'd be down for some version of Acts of Vengeance, but that's just cuz it's my favorite ever crossover. Be a lil hard to do given they keep killin their villains. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 26, 2015 23:09:42 GMT -5
I'd say Star Wars and Pixar will tie them over until they get around to the eventual universal reboot, complete with getting back all of their properties this time.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 27, 2015 8:32:22 GMT -5
I agree with you, but according to Forbes: linkOf course, this is all rumor. So Marvel/Disney was expecting another record breaking success? It still broke records, made massive amount of money, and was still successful regardless of the circumstances. By Whedon's admission he intentionally scaled back the film by making it more personal, less focus on effects and action, and more about the characters and the build up to Civil War/Infinity War. Granted I can understand why some people didn't care for it and why the corporate honchos were less than thrilled to a degree. Personally I do believe Marvel needs to take more risks and up the stakes with the films and characters. That way these types of situations don't arise in the near future. The way I see it, they have years worth of movies planned in this bit, overarching franchise of Marvel. So even if a benchmark movie in it was popular, if it wasn't as popular as the previosu benchmark movie, then they're probably orried that the series might be losing steam like the Hobbit movies did, rather than gaining it like they want it to. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 27, 2015 11:22:20 GMT -5
So Marvel/Disney was expecting another record breaking success? It still broke records, made massive amount of money, and was still successful regardless of the circumstances. By Whedon's admission he intentionally scaled back the film by making it more personal, less focus on effects and action, and more about the characters and the build up to Civil War/Infinity War. Granted I can understand why some people didn't care for it and why the corporate honchos were less than thrilled to a degree. Personally I do believe Marvel needs to take more risks and up the stakes with the films and characters. That way these types of situations don't arise in the near future. The way I see it, they have years worth of movies planned in this bit, overarching franchise of Marvel. So even if a benchmark movie in it was popular, if it wasn't as popular as the previosu benchmark movie, then they're probably orried that the series might be losing steam like the Hobbit movies did, rather than gaining it like they want it to. Makes sense to a degree. Hobbit lost steam because it didn't need to be broken into three films, along with I feel there was no emotional connection to the characters like the Lord of the Rings. I'll put it this way, I don't think Marvel is necessarily losing steam with its films, although I feel the studio needs to take more risks with the stories and go in a more serious direction. Of course that's why Daredevil and Jessica Jones exists. But my English professor explained to me that while he likes the Marvel films, he made a point that they're too predictable with its scenarios. I do see his point and while they've made a lot of money, it's time the films go into a much darker, less humorous, and more serious scenario the closer they get to Infinity War. |
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