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Post by TheFadedSpade on Jan 14, 2016 14:09:54 GMT -5
maybe Tyler sneezed backstage Inb4 Tyler Sneeze gimmick. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2016 14:09:58 GMT -5
Vince: "HAHAHAHA, how about Mason The Mutilator. You can wear chain mail and be a knight!"
Foley: "Uh....how about Mankind, instead?"
Vince: "HAHAHAHA, how about Rocky Maivia, the turquoise Samoan chia pet?"
Fans: "DIE ROCKY DIE!!!!"
Vince: "HAHAHAHA, how about The Ringmaster, Steve Austin!!!?"
Mrs Austin: "Drink your tea Steve, before it goes stone cold!"
Vince: "How about Reginald DuPont Helmsley?"
HHH: "...."
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Jan 14, 2016 14:10:25 GMT -5
Oh come on not this again. Shield guys, Punk/Cena, not screwing up Kevin Owens, etc are all pretty damn genius. The man does have something left. Breeze was in the main event on Monday so there's that. The mid-card is starting to get more and more important and Breeze will get a cushy spot in it once its all said and done it looks like. I love that the bar is so low in WWE right now that "not screwing up Kevin Owens" - is considered "genius." As is creating a working environment so creatively stifling that it drove away CM Punk. Also, Punk/Cena was largely Punk's idea born of his frustration with - yup, you guessed it, Vince's dumb ideas. What people are conflating these days is that cool stuff still happens in WWE in spite of Vince's ideas, not because of it. Yes I know but its not entirely Vince's fault like people seem to push around here. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2016 14:13:10 GMT -5
From what I've heard, SHIELD basically told creative they wouldn't do any shit that they didn't like. That alone would have spared them from Vince's booking insanity. He drove Punk out of the wrestling business and into a mid-life crisis. His tunnel eyed booking of Cena is the primary reason WWE devoid of top level stars, and Owens is succeeding in spite of WWE's booking, not because of it. He was another victim of Cena-based booking until he finally got away and feuded with Ambrose. He gave the SHIELD the cue to go though. Imagine how easy it would've been for him to say "HAHA not today pal!"? I was referring to the 2011 Punk/Cena program. That has Vince written all over it, the best feud of our time. Owens has been given tons of spotlight and main event slots. Yes, he authorised the existence of SHIELD. Wow. That's a hell of an accomplishment. Pure genius! He allowed three talented guys to be on TV and actually do useful things instead of burying them. HURRAY!!!! The Punk/Cena feud had more to do with Punk's worked shoot. That's what got people talking. Most of the content was legitimate criticism of Vince's real life stupidity. That speaks volumes. Owens SHOULD be given the spotlight and main event slots. It's not rocket science. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:15:14 GMT -5
I love that the bar is so low in WWE right now that "not screwing up Kevin Owens" - is considered "genius." As is creating a working environment so creatively stifling that it drove away CM Punk. Also, Punk/Cena was largely Punk's idea born of his frustration with - yup, you guessed it, Vince's dumb ideas. What people are conflating these days is that cool stuff still happens in WWE in spite of Vince's ideas, not because of it. Yes I know but its not entirely Vince's fault like people seem to push around here. Hey you know, I'll agree that not everything is his fault. But when you have actual wrestlers talking about how Vince, specifically, is the problem back stage and how Vince, specifically, shoots down great ideas and pitches out dated stuff - it does make you wonder just how much "genius" you can actually attribute to him. |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 14, 2016 14:18:44 GMT -5
I'll side with Vince on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:18:44 GMT -5
You know, everyone arm chair books and thinks they know better than Vince McMahon. Step back and look at what Vince has achieved with WWE. The guy can spot talent and make it grow, as well as greatly punish and de-push to make someone work harder. I suspect Vince didn't see the next Hogan/Hart/Rock/Austin/HHH/Undertaker in the Breeze and decided to make him work through the ranks instead of HHH auto push. When more than half of your roster consists of guys on Tyler Breeze's level where they're either being neglected or being starved in order to make them want it more what you end up getting though is unwatchable television. The fact that watching WWE most of the time feels like we're watching kids in detention is a big reason why watching WWE is such a chore now. his thing of sweeping guys under the rug and only using them on rainy days is not getting any positive results. This line of thinking might be successful in making guys work harder but all that really means is guys like Kalisto will do crazy spots at MITB pay per views where his fate is almost entirely in the hands of God because WWE doesn't give him a character that anyone can invest in. You want guys on your roster to be hungry but that hunger can only go so far when everything is so strictly scripted, if the material you're given isn't strong you can only do so much. I agree that it's easy to armchair book and convince yourself you can do better, but one would have to believe that there's got to be a better way to do things than the way they're doing it. I'm fine with Vince not thinking that Tyler Breeze fits the bill for what he wants on his roster, but it's very hard to watch WWE these days and figure out exactly who he does think has star potential because save for a handful of guys they almost all feel like afterthoughts. It's pretty psychotic to have a television program where you're watching employees being tough loved into giving a shit through most of it. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 14, 2016 14:20:03 GMT -5
maybe Tyler sneezed backstage Inb4 Tyler Sneeze gimmick. I'm sure the Observer is typing up the news story right now. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 14, 2016 14:21:26 GMT -5
Huh, story I heard was he got permission from one of the lower rank agents to leave TV early and one of the higher up agents heard and was mad as that is breaking on of those unwritten rules. That got the stink put on him and Vince dropped support.
Either way something completely f***ing stupid.
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Post by Gawk Rivers on Jan 14, 2016 14:22:29 GMT -5
maybe Tyler sneezed backstage Inb4 Tyler Sneeze gimmick. Is it my nose When you look at me? |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 14, 2016 14:23:50 GMT -5
Huh, story I heard was he got permission from one of the lower rank agents to leave TV early and one of the higher up agents heard and was mad as that is breaking on of those unwritten rules. That got the stink put on him and Vince dropped support. Either way something completely f***ing stupid. If that's true then that agent deserves most of the blame there... |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2016 14:26:10 GMT -5
I love that the bar is so low in WWE right now that "not screwing up Kevin Owens" - is considered "genius." As is creating a working environment so creatively stifling that it drove away CM Punk. Also, Punk/Cena was largely Punk's idea born of his frustration with - yup, you guessed it, Vince's dumb ideas. What people are conflating these days is that cool stuff still happens in WWE in spite of Vince's ideas, not because of it. Yes I know but its not entirely Vince's fault like people seem to push around here. Vince takes it upon himself to have the people in his company say the words, "the buck stops at Vince" or "the boss has the final say".
That means that the buck stops at Vince McMahon. Not, Kevin Dunn, not Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, Michael Hayes, Johnny Ace or anyone else. If something is badly written, it's Vince's fault. Period. He allowed it to happen, and in most cases, demanded that it happen.
Vince is the problem. More than anyone else. There's no way around that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:26:49 GMT -5
I love that the bar is so low in WWE right now that "not screwing up Kevin Owens" - is considered "genius." As is creating a working environment so creatively stifling that it drove away CM Punk. Also, Punk/Cena was largely Punk's idea born of his frustration with - yup, you guessed it, Vince's dumb ideas. What people are conflating these days is that cool stuff still happens in WWE in spite of Vince's ideas, not because of it. Yes I know but its not entirely Vince's fault like people seem to push around here. I mean no one really knows what goes on back there but I don't think it's unreasonable to point the finger at Vince when their shows actively deflate or infuriate live audiences and it's been going on for years and years without anything really changing. I'm not saying the job isn't hard, but I would have to think that if I was so routinely performing to flat audiences that I would pick up the inclination to try something different. |
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 14, 2016 14:31:23 GMT -5
Triple H: Vince, this Breeze guy is great, he'll be a good heel. Vince: Ha Ha Bring him up, that sounds awesome, push him to the moon. I'm hungry bring me a steak sammich. Writer: Here you go Lord McMahon, a steak sandwich. Vince: Who the hell asked for that? I'm not hungry. Take that away. This Breeze push is done, he sucks. Triple H:  Who the hell knows what a burrito is anyway? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:31:56 GMT -5
Huh, story I heard was he got permission from one of the lower rank agents to leave TV early and one of the higher up agents heard and was mad as that is breaking on of those unwritten rules. That got the stink put on him and Vince dropped support. Either way something completely f***ing stupid. Apparently the agent's name was Kencent VcMan.  |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 14, 2016 14:33:04 GMT -5
I blame Osmodiar a little green spaceman that only Vince can see.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2016 14:38:27 GMT -5
Vince is George Lucas of today if Lucas still had the final say on everything Star Wars. In 2019 when Vince finally gets around to Phantom Menace, I have no doubt that Vince will be mad that they ripped off the Santino gimmick with this Jar Jar fella.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 14, 2016 14:46:47 GMT -5
What always really baffles me about these situations is that the company has to spend tens, maybe even over a hundred thousand dollars by the end of someone's developmental time just training these guys to be able to wrestle. Then they come up, and even if their debut doesn't go completely wrong, some chucklef*** decides to bury them outright instead of trying to see if they can get a return on investment. WWE is running all of this expensive-ass overhead, and there is one guy who really wants to try and make a return on that investment, and is even making an acclaimed product using that investment, and it must frustrate the hell out of him when a top prospect just gets shoved off to the side. Further to that it must harm motivation. In the various NXT documentaries it shines through how much people (especially the women) like and respect Breeze, if even he's handled like that on the main roster it must make those lower down the totem pole question what chance they stand. It must also effect all the trainers and creative staff who have worked with him and in future could even make future stars reluctant to sign for WWE in the first place. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2016 14:49:47 GMT -5
What always really baffles me about these situations is that the company has to spend tens, maybe even over a hundred thousand dollars by the end of someone's developmental time just training these guys to be able to wrestle. Then they come up, and even if their debut doesn't go completely wrong, some chucklef*** decides to bury them outright instead of trying to see if they can get a return on investment. WWE is running all of this expensive-ass overhead, and there is one guy who really wants to try and make a return on that investment, and is even making an acclaimed product using that investment, and it must frustrate the hell out of him when a top prospect just gets shoved off to the side. Further to that it must harm motivation. In the various NXT documentaries it shines through how much people (especially the women) like and respect Breeze, if even he's handled like that on the main roster it must make those lower down the totem pole question what chance they stand. It must also effect all the trainers and creative staff who have worked with him and in future could even make future stars reluctant to sign for WWE in the first place. This report and the season finale of Breaking Ground.
What a stark contrast, right?
Breaking Ground is the expectation, that Breeze is finally going to get his shot. This report, the reality. Vince doesn't like Breeze, he's shot down the card hard and fast.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 14, 2016 14:55:23 GMT -5
Vince wanted Orton vs Batista as the main event of Wrestlemania 30. Let's all just think about that.
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