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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 14, 2016 15:04:12 GMT -5
That probably wasn't the exact phrasing but H should have known better than to compare him to Dolph Ziggler.
Vince: On the level of Dolph Ziggler? ...Who is f***ing with Ziggler? Stop pushing this geek right now!
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Post by WWEedy on Jan 14, 2016 15:07:44 GMT -5
He actually lost a Superstars match to Swagger. It's not the end of the world but they clearly had no plan for his call-up; he's just a more visible Xavier Woods pre-New Day. And this is exactly why the news is just put together rubbish playing into the image of McMahon when a guy isn't doing what everyone on the internet wants. Breeze is a MORE visible Woods before New Day and look at what Woods is doing now, anyone thinking that bringing Breeze up and pushing him straight to the level of Ziggler was a good idea would be being silly anyway. Let him spend some time working and touring with the main roster guys and develop further, as with the example of Xavier above you never know what's round the corner. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 14, 2016 15:10:24 GMT -5
It sucks that Tyler isn't being used to his full potential, but the guy is on the main roster and is still making most TVs. It's a start. To be completely frank, I'm not even sure that his spot on the card right now is wrong. They've got a TON of heels right now - Owens, Sheamus, Wyatt, Del Rio, Rusev, Barrett and others that are probably ahead of him on the food chain.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 14, 2016 15:14:06 GMT -5
Would anyone want to be on Dolphs level? I say that and I like Dolph.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Jan 14, 2016 15:15:51 GMT -5
Be honest, everyone. Look inside of yourselves.
You knew this is exactly how it would happen. We ALL knew.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jan 14, 2016 15:16:14 GMT -5
I don't know how they can have f***ed him up this bad already.
The first mistake was putting him with Summer, for two reasons.
Reason #1: WWE cannot book a relationship angle without it involving a quick breakup or abuse in some way.
Reason #2: Tyler Breeze's gimmick is that he's a self obsessed male model. That was his entire schtick on NXT. Hell, there was even that one time he asked Alexa Bliss if she wanted a picture and she thought he meant a selfie together but then he said "no, of me". If I'm supposed to believe that a self centred male model who's literal gimmick is that he loves himself and only himself could keep a girl for longer than a week, then I don't know what to say.
The second was using him as backup for the last part of the Ziggler/Summer/Lana/Rusev saga. Why they wanted to put him in that, I'll never know, but, you know what they say, women be cray cray.
If they let the call ups use the gimmicks they had that worked on NXT as a pivotal part of their respective division, then we wouldn't be talking about how much they've been squandered. Let's take a look.
Bo Dallas: Went from one of the funniest acts on NXT and the longest reigning NXT Champion in history to jobbing and having his match cancelled halfway through.
Neville: Debuted with a ton of fuel. Faced Rollins, Cena, and more. Was relegated to jobbing again within a month. Only just starting to get going again.
Rusev: Debuted as a dominant, unstoppable force with a great manager and even better heat magnet gimmick. Pushed into a stupid love angle, split from his manager and rarely seen on TV.
Big E: Debuted alongside Ziggler. Won the IC Title. Languished in midcard hell for months before finally finding a new niche in New Day.
Sasha Banks: Debuted as part of the DIVASREVOLUTIONMAGGLE. Dropped to the bottom of the women's division in months.
The only real successful NXT call up has been Rollins.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 14, 2016 15:32:04 GMT -5
You know, everyone arm chair books and thinks they know better than Vince McMahon. Step back and look at what Vince has achieved with WWE. The guy can spot talent and make it grow, as well as greatly punish and de-push to make someone work harder. I suspect Vince didn't see the next Hogan/Hart/Rock/Austin/HHH/Undertaker in the Breeze and decided to make him work through the ranks instead of HHH auto push. But if you bring in someone new, you want to present them as solid out of the gate. That's one of the most core ideas of wrestling; debut someone with something worthwhile, make an impact and present them as a big deal so that people care about them. First impressions are big, and when you dick guys around back and forth, it kills their heat. We've seen this so many times. What's the point in punishing and de-pushing a guy for absolutely nothing just to make him "work harder"? He'd just f***ing got there. He was already working hard in NXT, having good matches and being a main talent there. He's not greenhorn called right up from recruitment and shoved out there; NXT is more than a ever the means by which new guys can pay their dues and come up to the main roster already presented and at a level that can be capitalized on. The idea that Vince McMahon is a guy who will try to inspire someone by punishing them without reason isn't a good thing. It paints a picture of a terrible f***ing workplace with a stifling and oppressive creative environment no sane person would want anything to do with. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 14, 2016 15:48:35 GMT -5
Be honest, everyone. Look inside of yourselves. You knew this is exactly how it would happen. We ALL knew. Look deep within yourself! Look up an old patient of mine, Paige, P-a-i-g-e! I don't think Vince could manage to kill another push so quickly even though he is crazy! GO NOW! |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 14, 2016 15:50:04 GMT -5
Why does Tyler Breeze need to be in the main event? Nothing about his gimmick or character is strong enough for him to be outside the U.S. Title or Intercontinental picture.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jan 14, 2016 15:52:13 GMT -5
Vince has got to go
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2016 15:57:16 GMT -5
There's no reason that Tyler needed to shot down the card like he was. None. It's board gimmick-level crazy to try and defend it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 16:02:54 GMT -5
I can't stress this enough but we as a collective shouldn't have better ideas than a multi-million dollar company like the WWE with their resources. At all. I don't care if people say "well you're at home but could you-" because the answer is yes. Every single day we have posters posting great ideas that not only make new stars, improve talent, get fans involved but also would make money at the end of the day. You have a company like this with the greatest roster they've ever had and the minds in the business, the minds that lived through every major era, you mean to tell me they can't book right? You mean to tell me that one man's ego is so much of an issue you can't make him see correctly or find a way to get him out of power?
I'm sorry but I shouldn't be feeling like I can book a better show than the WWE but that's all I think each and every week I see a new report like this.
And I agree with the earlier post in here that we saw this happening with Breeze. Not because of his gimmick, which is interesting and could work with the right push, but because we knew who was Vince and we knew his old ass wasn't going to let Breeze flex a bit.
This is just stupid.
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Post by machomuta on Jan 14, 2016 16:03:51 GMT -5
What's he achieved lately besides driving away millions of viewers in a ten year period?
He has achieved more then anyone on this site. What is the big deal anyway? I like Breeze, but his gimmick was never main event worthy anyway. Breeze was never going to be anything more then a midcarder. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2016 16:05:44 GMT -5
What's he achieved lately besides driving away millions of viewers in a ten year period?
He has achieved more then anyone on this site. What is the big deal anyway? I like Breeze, but his gimmick was never main event worthy anyway. Breeze was nevet going to be anything more then a midcarder. Because there's no reason to shove a guy down the card without getting an actual chance.
That's ridiculous, "Oh, he's never going to be anything anyway, so f*** him!"
Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 16:07:14 GMT -5
What's he achieved lately besides driving away millions of viewers in a ten year period?
He has achieved more then anyone on this site.
What is the big deal anyway?
I like Breeze, but his gimmick was never main event worthy anyway.
Breeze was never going to be anything more then a midcarder.This is bullshit. Any gimmick is main event worthy if you book right and let guys express themselves a bit. Breeze was a main eventer in NXT at one point with the same gimmick and it worked there. You have Wyatt's gimmick who at times is a utility main eventer, it works. Kane's main evented multiple times in 2015. Breeze's gimmick could work. Clearly. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 14, 2016 16:13:44 GMT -5
I never thought this gimmick was gonna have any real legs but if this report is true (and it could be bullshit, that's always important to remember), that's absurd regardless of what you feel about Breeze. The fact the owner of the company can be committed to one direction with somebody and then, in an instant, totally shift directions not even a month into the run just shows bad planning and is really indicative of why so many "potential" stars have been killed off. You can't do start and stop pushes. There's something to be said for realizing when something isn't working and stopping it before it does too much damage but there's also something to be said for actually giving an act some time to grow and develop.
FFS, how many people wanted New Day to be done like a month after their TV debut? I know I did. They ended up becoming the best act in the entire company for a long while. You never truly know what's gonna catch on. You gotta give acts a chance to sink or swim and that means having patience and not pulling the cord on a whim.
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Jan 14, 2016 16:14:30 GMT -5
Breeze shouldn't of gotten called up in the first place. Balor would've made more sense.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2016 16:15:17 GMT -5
Yeah
A sexy boy toy who thinks he's a heartbreaker to all women.
That'd never be main event.
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Post by Richard on Jan 14, 2016 16:16:36 GMT -5
Why does Tyler Breeze need to be in the main event? Nothing about his gimmick or character is strong enough for him to be outside the U.S. Title or Intercontinental picture. What's he achieved lately besides driving away millions of viewers in a ten year period?
He has achieved more then anyone on this site. What is the big deal anyway? I like Breeze, but his gimmick was never main event worthy anyway. Breeze was never going to be anything more then a midcarder. Where, where has it been argued Breeze should be a main event player right now? I am not seeing it but I am seeing people create an argument that does not exist in order to crap on people who don't support their views which isn't cool. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 16:19:36 GMT -5
He actually lost a Superstars match to Swagger. It's not the end of the world but they clearly had no plan for his call-up; he's just a more visible Xavier Woods pre-New Day. And this is exactly why the news is just put together rubbish playing into the image of McMahon when a guy isn't doing what everyone on the internet wants. Breeze is a MORE visible Woods before New Day and look at what Woods is doing now, anyone thinking that bringing Breeze up and pushing him straight to the level of Ziggler was a good idea would be being silly anyway. Let him spend some time working and touring with the main roster guys and develop further, as with the example of Xavier above you never know what's round the corner. I don't think anyone would have a problem with Vince not seeing Breeze as a star if he was the exception, if WWE had a set of guys who were the "stars" and guys like Breeze existed only to feed them then that's fine, but everyone feels like they're on thin ice, there's no one where we can let our guard down and just enjoy whatever they're doing because it's all so stop/start. If you're gonna bring Breeze in with all this pomp and circumstance and then drop him then what's the point? WWE considers themselves episodic television first and foremost, with their competition being other scripted comedies and dramas, no other properly written series would introduce a character and have him perform in go-nowhere scenes until his acting improved and then give him a story. You have a story and purpose for the character first and unless it's a complete flop you might write him off fast, but Breeze wasn't an instant success or a flop, and to just give up on him like that sets a precedent that we have no reason to care about new faces on the screen because it almost always turns out like this. The main roster isn't the place to bootcamp guys, what's the point in a developmental system then? It's just not fun to watch. In NXT I think everyone likes Tye Dillinger, but so far he hasn't really had much of a role except for jobbing to higher guys on the card, but no one is condemning anyone for that because there's a clear set of guys on the roster that are pushed like stars. The Breeze because he comes in, he loses to Dolph Ziggler, who then does nothing up until he loses to Heath Slater, who the audience is given no impression that they're gonna go on to do anything. It's just guys feeding on each other and no one looking good from it. I don't know, I don't see how this is a process that can be defended. By the time these guys "learn their lesson" they're damaged goods. |
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