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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 14, 2016 17:44:28 GMT -5
Breeze shouldn't of gotten called up in the first place. Balor would've made more sense. I disagree with that Breeze hadn't done anything of importance on NXT for months before being called up.... and there really wasn't anything for him else to do there. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 14, 2016 18:34:10 GMT -5
I know he would get depushed quick as that's what they do with every NXT newcomer (Bo Dallas, Ascension) but I didn't know it would be this quick as he's pretty much already a JTTS after only a little over two months and they've already split him with Summer which I don't get as I thought they worked well together as a heel pairing. At least the other callups would get an undefeated streak for a month or two before management soured on them and made them jobbers, but Breeze didn't even get that as they had him lose his debut which was so dumb. The only highlight of his run so far was beating Ziggler in relatively short order at Survivor Series but then they quickly negated any momentum he could've got from that win by having Ziggler beat him in several rematches. The fact that he's now losing on Superstars to guys like Swagger is not a good sign at all.
Ziggler didn't exactly get a great push either when he debuted and ended up having a pretty good career so who knows maybe all hope isn't lost and he can rebound but unfortunately I kind of see him getting lost in the shuffle.
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Post by The Robisher on Jan 14, 2016 19:05:31 GMT -5
To the original post...
This is another example of how much Vince has lost touch with his audience and no longer understands his own product. Goodness forbid he did this in the 80's to up-and-comers like Ted Dibiase and Curt Hennig.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 14, 2016 19:15:12 GMT -5
Why does Tyler Breeze need to be in the main event? Nothing about his gimmick or character is strong enough for him to be outside the U.S. Title or Intercontinental picture. He has achieved more then anyone on this site. What is the big deal anyway? I like Breeze, but his gimmick was never main event worthy anyway. Breeze was never going to be anything more then a midcarder. Where, where has it been argued Breeze should be a main event player right now? I am not seeing it but I am seeing people create an argument that does not exist in order to crap on people who don't support their views which isn't cool. These are examples of us "crapping on people"? How? I don't see insults, just disagreements but since people on this board love Tyler I guess God forbid anyone not see Breeze as anything other than stellar. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 19:24:05 GMT -5
Where, where has it been argued Breeze should be a main event player right now? I am not seeing it but I am seeing people create an argument that does not exist in order to crap on people who don't support their views which isn't cool. These are examples of us "crapping on people"? How? I don't see insults, just disagreements but since people on this board love Tyler I guess God forbid anyone not see Breeze as anything other than stellar. Several people in this thread, including one in that post I made, crapped on people for not liking things. It has become a common theme in these threads and it should not. I choose your post for the same false argument being made by several others and machomuta's post for that false argument to flame bait people. The argument is crap and is to stir stuff up for no reason and the ever so lovely stuff like "He has achieved more then anyone on this site." as has been used a few times in here to take a shot at people who do not like the opinions that are pro-McMahon which is against the rules. |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 14, 2016 19:35:07 GMT -5
These are examples of us "crapping on people"? How? I don't see insults, just disagreements but since people on this board love Tyler I guess God forbid anyone not see Breeze as anything other than stellar. Several people in this thread, including one in that post I made, crapped on people for not liking things. It has become a common theme in these threads and it should not. I choose your post for the same false argument being made by several others and machomuta 's post for that false argument to flame bait people. The argument is crap and is to stir stuff up for no reason and the ever so lovely stuff like "He has achieved more then anyone on this site." as has been used a few times in here to take a shot at people who do not like the opinions that are pro-McMahon which is against the rules. All I know is I didn't insult anyone, so I don't see how that's crapping on anyone. |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 14, 2016 19:35:16 GMT -5
I don't watch NXT and know very little about Breeze. From what I did see, he deserved way better than this. Neville does too, dude should be one of their biggest up-and-coming stars now and not just another guy who inconsistently gets spotlight.
Vince's genius is vastly overrated. I don't understand how at age 70 he thinks he can even remotely be on the pulse of pop culture's caricatures.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jan 14, 2016 19:46:47 GMT -5
Unless Swagger beat him on Superstars in the last month and I didn't see it, but Breeze beat Swagger on Superstars last week.
Sure he fought him but Breeze didn't lose to Swagger.
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Post by moondoggie on Jan 14, 2016 19:53:02 GMT -5
Unless Swagger beat him on Superstars in the last month and I didn't see it, but Breeze beat Swagger on Superstars last week. Sure he fought him but Breeze didn't lose to Swagger. Swagger beats Breeze this week on Superstars |
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Post by darkjourney on Jan 14, 2016 20:04:06 GMT -5
One doesn't really need to question HHH's inability to identify talent.. Look no further than the multiple world titles for Sheamus.
Its obvious HHH doesn't have the idea for a superstar like Vince does/did. When Vince is finally gone, there will be a ton of guys getting pushed who don't deserve to.. And the guys not getting pushed will be left on the back burner in favor of guys HHH sees something in that can draw, or have star power.
Where HHH will ultimately full short of Vince is the fact Vince knows how to create SUPERstars. HHH will only know how to create stars.
HHH is completely unequipped to fill VInce's shoes.. The sooner people wake up to this the better. You're better off putting the company in Heyman/Shane Mcmahon's hands far more than you would be putting it in HHH/Stephanies.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jan 14, 2016 20:14:31 GMT -5
Unless Swagger beat him on Superstars in the last month and I didn't see it, but Breeze beat Swagger on Superstars last week. Sure he fought him but Breeze didn't lose to Swagger. Swagger beats Breeze this week on Superstars And now I see why people are annoyed. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 14, 2016 20:16:32 GMT -5
One doesn't really need to question HHH's inability to identify talent.. Look no further than the multiple world titles for Sheamus. Its obvious HHH doesn't have the idea for a superstar like Vince does/did. When Vince is finally gone, there will be a ton of guys getting pushed who don't deserve to.. And the guys not getting pushed will be left on the back burner in favor of guys HHH sees something in that can draw, or have star power. Where HHH will ultimately full short of Vince is the fact Vince knows how to create SUPERstars. HHH will only know how to create stars. HHH is completely unequipped to fill VInce's shoes.. The sooner people wake up to this the better. The Triple H's workout buddy shtick is played out. Vince is the fan of Sheamus before anyone else. You're wrong about Triple H. The sellouts of NXT shows are proof enough that making a statement like "The sooner people wake to this is better" is obnoxious and there's far more evidence proving why you're incorrect, trying to rile up people like the ones who tried the "Tyler Breeze is never going to main event anyway" argument. |
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Post by darkjourney on Jan 14, 2016 20:18:48 GMT -5
One doesn't really need to question HHH's inability to identify talent.. Look no further than the multiple world titles for Sheamus. Its obvious HHH doesn't have the idea for a superstar like Vince does/did. When Vince is finally gone, there will be a ton of guys getting pushed who don't deserve to.. And the guys not getting pushed will be left on the back burner in favor of guys HHH sees something in that can draw, or have star power. Where HHH will ultimately full short of Vince is the fact Vince knows how to create SUPERstars. HHH will only know how to create stars. HHH is completely unequipped to fill VInce's shoes.. The sooner people wake up to this the better. The Triple H's workout buddy shtick is played out. Vince is the fan of Sheamus before anyone else. You're wrong about Triple H. The sellouts of NXT shows are proof enough that making a statement like "The sooner people wake to this is better" is obnoxious and there's far more evidence proving why you're incorrect, trying to rile up people like the ones who tried the "Tyler Breeze is never going to main event anyway" argument. Its not played out.. They keep going BACK to the well with Sheamus multiple times (because of his friendship to HHH) and he keeps failing. They did the same thing with Batista. Buds with HHH, FLOPPED!!!!! NXT is a developmental system.. Its not the big leagues. . Vince can also put himself on TV when things are down and he can stimulate business back up.. Again, HHH doesn't have this ability.. Vince draws an on air screen personality.. HHH/Stephanie don't. |
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Post by abjordans on Jan 14, 2016 20:47:05 GMT -5
The Tyler Breeze gimmick and the way he performs works better for a small audience.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 14, 2016 20:52:28 GMT -5
The Triple H's workout buddy shtick is played out. Vince is the fan of Sheamus before anyone else. You're wrong about Triple H. The sellouts of NXT shows are proof enough that making a statement like "The sooner people wake to this is better" is obnoxious and there's far more evidence proving why you're incorrect, trying to rile up people like the ones who tried the "Tyler Breeze is never going to main event anyway" argument. Its not played out.. They keep going BACK to the well with Sheamus multiple times (because of his friendship to HHH) and he keeps failing. They did the same thing with Batista. Buds with HHH, FLOPPED!!!!! NXT is a developmental system.. Its not the big leagues. . Vince can also put himself on TV when things are down and he can stimulate business back up.. Again, HHH doesn't have this ability.. Vince draws an on air screen personality.. HHH/Stephanie don't. Batista flopped? Huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 21:02:02 GMT -5
The Triple H's workout buddy shtick is played out. Vince is the fan of Sheamus before anyone else. You're wrong about Triple H. The sellouts of NXT shows are proof enough that making a statement like "The sooner people wake to this is better" is obnoxious and there's far more evidence proving why you're incorrect, trying to rile up people like the ones who tried the "Tyler Breeze is never going to main event anyway" argument.
Its not played out.. They keep going BACK to the well with Sheamus multiple times (because of his friendship to HHH) and he keeps failing. They did the same thing with Batista. Buds with HHH, FLOPPED!!!!!  Can you actually find us proof that Sheamus is pushed because he's Triple H's friend rather than Vince liking him? |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 14, 2016 21:04:05 GMT -5
The Triple H's workout buddy shtick is played out. Vince is the fan of Sheamus before anyone else. You're wrong about Triple H. The sellouts of NXT shows are proof enough that making a statement like "The sooner people wake to this is better" is obnoxious and there's far more evidence proving why you're incorrect, trying to rile up people like the ones who tried the "Tyler Breeze is never going to main event anyway" argument. Its not played out.. They keep going BACK to the well with Sheamus multiple times (because of his friendship to HHH) and he keeps failing. They did the same thing with Batista. Buds with HHH, FLOPPED!!!!! NXT is a developmental system.. Its not the big leagues. . Vince can also put himself on TV when things are down and he can stimulate business back up.. Again, HHH doesn't have this ability.. Vince draws an on air screen personality.. HHH/Stephanie don't. How does the minor ratings jump from him being around lately compare to the amount of viewers WWE has hemorrhaged over the years? Doesn't really seem like a valid reason to keep him around when his control of the product is driving people away. |
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Post by avenger on Jan 14, 2016 21:04:54 GMT -5
The Tyler Breeze gimmick is a little too OTT to be anything more than a midcard act. His reactions on NXT were despite the gimmick, rather than because of it. I don't know how they can have f***ed him up this bad already. The first mistake was putting him with Summer, for two reasons. Reason #1: WWE cannot book a relationship angle without it involving a quick breakup or abuse in some way. Reason #2: Tyler Breeze's gimmick is that he's a self obsessed male model. That was his entire schtick on NXT. Hell, there was even that one time he asked Alexa Bliss if she wanted a picture and she thought he meant a selfie together but then he said "no, of me". If I'm supposed to believe that a self centred male model who's literal gimmick is that he loves himself and only himself could keep a girl for longer than a week, then I don't know what to say. The second was using him as backup for the last part of the Ziggler/Summer/Lana/Rusev saga. Why they wanted to put him in that, I'll never know, but, you know what they say, women be cray cray. If they let the call ups use the gimmicks they had that worked on NXT as a pivotal part of their respective division, then we wouldn't be talking about how much they've been squandered. Let's take a look. Bo Dallas: Went from one of the funniest acts on NXT and the longest reigning NXT Champion in history to jobbing and having his match cancelled halfway through. Neville: Debuted with a ton of fuel. Faced Rollins, Cena, and more. Was relegated to jobbing again within a month. Only just starting to get going again. Rusev: Debuted as a dominant, unstoppable force with a great manager and even better heat magnet gimmick. Pushed into a stupid love angle, split from his manager and rarely seen on TV. Big E: Debuted alongside Ziggler. Won the IC Title. Languished in midcard hell for months before finally finding a new niche in New Day. Sasha Banks: Debuted as part of the DIVASREVOLUTIONMAGGLE. Dropped to the bottom of the women's division in months. The only real successful NXT call up has been Rollins. You forgot Adam Rose. Repackaged and brought up before he'd developed the character, meaning he looked really awkward in the early days of the gimmick, and never got over as a result. |
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 14, 2016 21:11:42 GMT -5
I have no idea if this is true or not, but the fact that it's very believable tells me a lot about Vince, and it isn't good.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jan 14, 2016 21:36:59 GMT -5
I'm just tired of this happening. I like NXT, I want to enjoy watching the wrestlers succeed on the main roster. A majority of the talent called up have become forgotten about, jobbed out or had their gimmicks messed up. NXT's not the only victim. Wrestlers who have been on the main roster even before NXT was huge get this as well.
Not everyone is going to be a world champion so you have to make midcarders matter too.
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