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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Apr 4, 2016 11:39:52 GMT -5
Probably not when we've all had a chance to calm down and reflect back properly. It will still go down as one of the worst booked 'Mania's of all-time but the actual in-ring quality was pretty good for the most part which will save it.
Last night though? It certainly felt like it. It's the least fun I've ever had watching a WrestleMania. I went from disappointment to outright anger to sadness and then down to "just end this f***ing show so I can go home please".
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 4, 2016 11:44:16 GMT -5
Meltzer made good points. He felt like they told the lower card to hold back due to the Shane/Taker and Trips/Reigns matches. An example he used is Kalisto/Ryback. Even on regular tv matches they didn't do all the cool stuff they could do in their WM match due to that. It's what I figured and one reason why Ambrose/Lesnar was hindered, same with some other matches. Damn. It's the biggest show of the year and they tell people to hold back? Yeah, that'll give fans their money's worth. They really are sabotaging their own product.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Apr 4, 2016 11:47:20 GMT -5
It was the best Mania for surprises. Chock full of them. HBK, Foley, Austin, Rock and Cena vs Wyatts, new Womens championship with Lita, Shaq, Ryder and Corbin winning, Snoop leading Sasha to the ring, DDP, Tatanka. Glad people that paid to see the show got something for their money because on paper it was looking like a rip off.
The main events were straight up booty tho. Shane/Taker was a ridiculous waste of time. People can't cheer for Shane because it means Taker retires, can't cheer for Taker cuz Authority stays in power. The whole thing came across like Shane going 'hey kids, want to see dad jump off a cell in a match with uncle Mark?'
Reigns/HHH was as boring and bog standard as HHH/Orton. Once again they sacrificed everyone new aside from Reigns to part timers. League, new day, Wyatts, AJ looked like chumps. They'll keep pushing them though and keep wondering why crowds are apathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 11:48:18 GMT -5
I can't give the good wrestling on the show much credit when we're talking grand scheme of WrestleManias in terms of quality. Grading the shows, I take into account the company's overall style at the time, and how good Mania is relative to that. For example Styles/Jericho was the only good singles match on the show, and it was a formula match that wouldn't be out of place to see on Raw. It wasn't really any better than the Austin vs. Savio Vega strap match from Mania 12, relatively.
Just because there are cool moves and exchanges doesn't automatically make this better than the shows before that was the style.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 4, 2016 11:48:26 GMT -5
Not by a long shot, but probably still in the bottom half of the list. Just a lot of strange booking choices in the undercard that clouded the usual good in-ring work, and the three top matches were very underwhelming.
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Post by honsou on Apr 4, 2016 11:49:30 GMT -5
"The people I wanted to win didn't, therefore it was the worst ever." Seriously, grow up. Endings are important Imagine watching a decent episode of a show then the pay off being that the main character fails terribly for no good reason. Imagine that 6 times in a row. That's basically this years Wrestlemania
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 11:51:08 GMT -5
as much as i regret watching this live, and how much i hated this mania, i gotta be realistic.
NO. it wasn't worst, but it's damn close to it.
this was Batman v Superman of wrestling.
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Post by edgestar on Apr 4, 2016 11:52:54 GMT -5
For the lackluster booking going into it, the show ended up being really good.
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Post by taker1990 on Apr 4, 2016 11:55:10 GMT -5
No. Liked most of the in-ring action, but not the booking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 11:57:43 GMT -5
well, I can't speak to the quality of the show overall, but if its any indicator of the general booking or storytelling, this is the first WrestleMania in ....dang, at least 7 years that I just flat out skipped. I had a couple of buddies invite me over to watch it at theirs and I just had no real drive to see it. Plus I wasn't that stoked about it going into it so I didn't want to taint their experience if they were enjoying it.
But yeah, at least in the last 7 years or so, its definitely one of the least intriguing WrestleManias I can remember.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 4, 2016 12:00:46 GMT -5
No its clearly in the bottom 1/3. A very meh show.
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Post by corndog on Apr 4, 2016 12:05:09 GMT -5
For the lackluster booking going into it, the show ended up being really good. I would completely agree with this. The build up for this Wrestlemania was poor at best and really lacked the usual feel of the shows going into the event. Really the only huge surprise for the build up was Shane coming back and that led to, okay so we are going to get a 46 year old not even part timer going against a 51 year old part timer. For all of the crap that match got, I thought it was pretty good, albeit very slow, especially when consider their ages.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Apr 4, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5
For the lackluster booking going into it, the show ended up being really good. When was the last time Mania was booked really solid going into it? I ask this because it seems for the last 2-3 years at least that it just hasn't been built very well and the show tends to outperform expectations. I do agree in the sense that this could've been historically bad given what they were working with and the amount of talent that were not able to be part of it, but I also agree with many that this was a bottom tier Wrestlemania. Certainly not in the discussion for worst ever, but still an underwhelming show on whole. I think last night's biggest comparable is Wrestlemania 2000. A few really bright spots, but awkward booking throughout. The only difference is there wasn't a storyline-centric swerve finish.
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Post by Cieto on Apr 4, 2016 12:15:26 GMT -5
Not the worse for me, but just super AVERAGE outside of Corbin's win and the Women's triple threat.
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Post by edgestar on Apr 4, 2016 12:15:40 GMT -5
For the lackluster booking going into it, the show ended up being really good. When was the last time Mania was booked really solid going into it? I ask this because it seems for the last 2-3 years at least that it just hasn't been built very well and the show tends to outperform expectations. I do agree in the sense that this could've been historically bad given what they were working with and the amount of talent that were not able to be part of it, but I also agree with many that this was a bottom tier Wrestlemania. Certainly not in the discussion for worst ever, but still an underwhelming show on whole. I can see where people would be underwhelmed. I wasn't necessarily looking forward to it, until yesterday morning, then I was excited for it. I enjoyed it, but I can see where people might not.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 4, 2016 12:21:47 GMT -5
In terms of booking, it's on the list. In terms of match quality, not even close. I'd rate the matches themselves in the Top 10
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 4, 2016 13:00:56 GMT -5
"The people I wanted to win didn't, therefore it was the worst ever." Seriously, grow up. Endings are important Imagine watching a decent episode of a show then the pay off being that the main character fails terribly for no good reason. Imagine that 6 times in a row. That's basically this years Wrestlemania Wrestling is a lot different than a regular tv show. In most cases(unless it's a jobber squash) everyone involved are main characters. Take for example Brock vs Dean. I think a lot of smarks wanted Dean to win, but their is just enough story line reasons to want Brock to win.
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Post by machomuta on Apr 4, 2016 15:58:21 GMT -5
Yes.
The booking was crap and the match quality was crap. Plus the show was way too long.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 16:12:25 GMT -5
As far as being part of the Worst WrestleManias ever, it's up there with the usual suspects, but as THE worst? Not really.
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Post by Hurbster on Apr 4, 2016 16:19:59 GMT -5
I have been watching the OSW reviews of the earlier Wrestlemanias and it is no where near as bad some of those shit-fests. In fact I quite enjoyed it. But then I treat it for what it is - an entertaining TV show, rather than more important than life itself.
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