The TNA Doomsday Clock Thread: 1 Minute to Midnight?

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Even if WWE buys TNA it's not a monopoly there are literally hundreds of alternatives out there.

and again TNA is not and has never been competition for the WWE.

They've had hundreds of chances, they've had opportunities, they've had more f***ing handouts than any promotion before them... and they squandered every chance, blown every opportunity, and bit the hand that fed them EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[Push R Truth]

Sept 28, 2016 8:31:31 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

Sept 28, 2016 8:28:40 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

You don't have to watch WWE. You have a lot of options.

Most of the higher up indie companies have 10-dollar-or-less subscription services you can sign up for. Monthly new content, back libraries.

Roh has an hour show a week you can watch. NJPW too.

I just hate monopolies. Imagine if McDonald's bought Burger King. I want Whoppers, not Big Macs!

You keep acting like no other wrestling exists, but other wrestling exists and you don't even have to put any effort into finding it.

It's like complaining that all you have is McDonalds when 5 other fast food places are on the same block, but you have to walk by McDonalds to get to them.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Jeff Jarrett: THIS IS OUR CHANCE! KAREN! GRAB THE SACKS OF CASH! I KNEW THAT GOLD SCAM WOULD PAY OFF ONE DAY!!

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Sept 28, 2016 8:40:34 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Sept 28, 2016 8:31:31 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

I just hate monopolies. Imagine if McDonald's bought Burger King. I want Whoppers, not Big Macs!

You keep acting like no other wrestling exists, but other wrestling exists and you don't even have to put any effort into finding it.

It's like complaining that all you have is McDonalds when 5 other fast food places are on the same block, but you have to walk by McDonalds to get to them.

If wwe is McDonalds then TNA would be that shithole burger joint were they serve expired meat.

[Push R Truth]

Sept 28, 2016 9:17:45 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Sept 28, 2016 8:40:34 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

You keep acting like no other wrestling exists, but other wrestling exists and you don't even have to put any effort into finding it.

It's like complaining that all you have is McDonalds when 5 other fast food places are on the same block, but you have to walk by McDonalds to get to them.

If wwe is McDonalds then TNA would be that shithole burger joint were they serve expired meat.

You mean Arby's?

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Sept 28, 2016 8:37:43 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Even if WWE buys TNA it's not a monopoly there are literally hundreds of alternatives out there.

and again TNA is not and has never been competition for the WWE.

They've had hundreds of chances, they've had opportunities, they've had more f***ing handouts than any promotion before them... and they squandered every chance, blown every opportunity, and bit the hand that fed them EVERY SINGLE TIME.

ROH, PROGRESS, EVOLVE, Chikara, Dragon Gate USA, PWG, CZW... and that thing Jeff Jarrett has where he's selling gold bars. That's just scratching the surface of non-Japan promotions.

I can understand the people who don't want TNA to disappear because it means fewer jobs, but if this place doesn't even bother paying the people who go in and bust their backs on a regular basis, not to mention most of the men that have to put the sets and operate the cameras... why should they exist? If a company doesn't pay their employees, or in the case of the Ft. Lauderdale Strikers, pay them $1 for their services, that's not fair ethics. People work because they expect to be compensated for their time and effort.

Again, you should not reward a company for gross incompetence!

[xCompackx]

Since it was mentioned too, a lot of talent in TNA still works shows elsewhere. EC3, Moose, Drew Galloway, and Cody Rhodes have all worked matches for WCPW. So even if WWE buys TNA and these guys are let go, there's plenty of work available.

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Sept 28, 2016 8:14:31 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Sept 28, 2016 5:21:12 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

TNA ALWAYS HAS A MIRACLE LEFT!!

...Eh... On second thought...

And to think I didn't think his look could get any worse than his first night...

Looks like Bennett was living in Dumptown, U.S.A. at the moment of this photograph.

[lionheart21]

Sept 28, 2016 9:28:28 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Sept 28, 2016 9:17:45 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

If wwe is McDonalds then TNA would be that shithole burger joint were they serve expired meat.

You mean Arby's?

"I'm so hungry, I could eat at Arby's work for TNA"

"Oh my gosh, they're really hungry."

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

So, long story short, the idea that TNA needs to stay around as it's the only alternative to WWE is false 1000x over.

[Brother Nero....Wolfe]

Is it bad my first reaction to the idea of TNA shutting down was "Not yet. Not until Matt Hardy gets to finish his saga." rather than caring about the actual wrestling?

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Sept 28, 2016 10:13:30 GMT -5 Brother Nero....Wolfe said:

Is it bad my first reaction to the idea of TNA shutting down was "Not yet. Not until Matt Hardy gets to finish his saga." rather than caring about the actual wrestling?

if nothing else Matt would take the show on the road or release the saga stuff on his own youtube channel.

Since from all accounts the final deletion was financed entirely by the Hardys.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Straight facts I could care less about other people's jobs when the company is a big f****ing mess. If you aren't being compensated then your working for nothing anyway. If you don't like WWE fine but don't complain about monopolies and nothing to watch when their is countless other indies out there.

It's the way of the world kids, if you f*** up you don't get 47 chances to improve yourself like TNA has, WWE shouldn't float them money for their incompetence.

[corndog]

Sept 28, 2016 9:42:26 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

Sept 28, 2016 8:37:43 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Even if WWE buys TNA it's not a monopoly there are literally hundreds of alternatives out there.

and again TNA is not and has never been competition for the WWE.

They've had hundreds of chances, they've had opportunities, they've had more f***ing handouts than any promotion before them... and they squandered every chance, blown every opportunity, and bit the hand that fed them EVERY SINGLE TIME.

ROH, PROGRESS, EVOLVE, Chikara, Dragon Gate USA, PWG, CZW... and that thing Jeff Jarrett has where he's selling gold bars. That's just scratching the surface of non-Japan promotions.

I can understand the people who don't want TNA to disappear because it means fewer jobs, but if this place doesn't even bother paying the people who go in and bust their backs on a regular basis, not to mention most of the men that have to put the sets and operate the cameras... why should they exist? If a company doesn't pay their employees, or in the case of the Ft. Lauderdale Strikers, pay them $1 for their services, that's not fair ethics. People work because they expect to be compensated for their time and effort.

Again, you should not reward a company for gross incompetence!

What is really ironic about this point, the fact that TNA talent works for some of those indies you mentioned. If the main reason people want TNA to continue is for wrestlers to work, it's pointless, they are already working elsewhere. The main reason many of them stick around, considering the pay isn't great, is just for the exposure.

[Mozenrath]

Sept 28, 2016 10:14:15 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Sept 28, 2016 10:13:30 GMT -5 Brother Nero....Wolfe said:

Is it bad my first reaction to the idea of TNA shutting down was "Not yet. Not until Matt Hardy gets to finish his saga." rather than caring about the actual wrestling?

if nothing else Matt would take the show on the road or release the saga stuff on his own youtube channel.

Since from all accounts the final deletion was financed entirely by the Hardys.

Yeah, they'll just film it at their house like they've been doing, and throw it on their own channel. Hell, they even use Jeff's music for the Obsolete track, so unless TNA for some reason owned that specific remix, there's very little they'd even need to change if they took this to ROH, PWG, etc.

[Ben Wyatt]

Sept 28, 2016 8:30:39 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Sept 28, 2016 6:38:48 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

   
1993-97 WWF at it's absolute most dire is still light years better than TNA was at their peak, never mind the current train wreck that it has become

Yeah, I watched that era and that is absolute bull. Even when TNA's writing has been horrible there has been in ring action that's made it worth a peek while the mid 90s WWE didn't have that by and large, yeah there were good Bret and Shawn matches but they did not outweigh the cavalcade of often plodding crap we got inbetween. From 1993-6 the product was nearly completely unwatchable and not just because of the jobber squashes, the gimmicks and booking were flat out insulting, like something that would be shown as a parody of wrestling on a comedy show, you could have debuted Dr. Hillbilly and the Iron Yuppie and they wouldn't have seemed out of place, they would have been a step up from middle aged Jerry Lawler and his foot fetish, his ugly dentist, wrestling plumbers and a smiling Nascar driver because at least they're mildly humorous.

It's pretty telling that the moment WCW started offering a better product once they'd gotten over the 'let's recreate the 80s for the Hulkster!' phase, people turned over in droves.

I'm not saying TNA was always garbage, but in terms of production and overall talent, specifically the M.E scene, 93-97 WWF is better than TNA is now, or ever was.

Despite all of the flaws with the WWF in that era, I never, as a viewer, felt like I was watching a second rate program, let alone one that looks like it's gonna die 

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 28, 2016 10:14:15 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Sept 28, 2016 10:13:30 GMT -5 Brother Nero....Wolfe said:

Is it bad my first reaction to the idea of TNA shutting down was "Not yet. Not until Matt Hardy gets to finish his saga." rather than caring about the actual wrestling?

if nothing else Matt would take the show on the road or release the saga stuff on his own youtube channel.

Since from all accounts the final deletion was financed entirely by the Hardys.

If WWE wanted them I can see it being a little more grounded if u want them wrestling. For all intents and purposes it would be a better over the top version of the Wyatt family

If you want the over the top sillyness that's in TNA then you could always put them on the network. The Hardys on a budget that isn't their own can make that work no problem

[Final Countdown Jones]

-TNA isn't currently taking in any money outside of some very, very poorly selling PPVs. The only wrestling company that can get away with being that commercially unviable is Lucha Underground, and that's because the thing seems to be run like a television show much more than as an independent wrestling company. TNA's existence isn't taking money out of Vince's hands.
-Acting as a booking agent for their wrestlers, TNA overcharges for the privilege of booking the stars of Pop TV. TNA is reportedly trying to use this as a way to turn a profit off of having their wrestlers go elsewhere while also using it to fund paying their contracts, which led to situations like in early August when Lashley's booking fee jumped to (if I remember right) 6k out of nowhere and he was dropped from a tournament that he was booked for because of how suddenly way more expensive he got. Saying "nuh uh, pay us even more for the guy you're booking" and trying to profit off of other promoters' use of their guys is only causing a situation where either promoters are spending more money to get TNA guys than they should (thus a drain on their funds) or they're not booking TNA guys at all (which negatively effects the wrestlers who aren't making enough money)
-They've also been dicking around promotions who have booked their wrestlers, like pulling EC3 from a PCW show on very little warning for what they claimed were "network commitments" and turned out to be him and James Storm auditioning for The Amazing Race, which you may recognize as not being a network commitment in the least. Not their only incident this year but I can't remember the specifics of their other one. This is the same shit they pulled last time their wrestlers were open for bookings. f***ing over other companies isn't exactly good for the state of pro wrestling either.
-Full stop, they don't pay their workers. That's not good for the wrestlers in some very profound ways. If a company let Bobby Roode and Eric Young leave because they were somehow owed a combine six f***ing figures and Dixie would rather give into their demands than pay them what they were owed, then they're failing as an employer and not helping the plight of your typical non-WWE wrestler, who isn't exactly rolling in the cash. They've had terrible stories of pay since 2008 and it's only gotten worse since the day of the Knockouts Champion working at Sunglasses Hut. This isn't some low-rent shindy promoter running away with the cash at the end of the show, this is an allegedly top level promotion. Not to get political, but within literally every political ideology the outright stealing of labour is super frowned on and a sign the company is a bad one.
-TNA repeatedly used the Feast or Fired 'fired' briefcase as a work to legitimately cut guys out without actually telling them.

Forget all of the LOLTNA stuff that's actually funny for a second and focus on shit like the above points and a startling number of others. Letting TNA exist for existence's sake isn't doing any favours to the wrestling business when they're hurting the wrestlers and hurting other promotions. They're slimier than a company at their level really should be, exist today only through sheer exploitation of everyone they do business with, and are exactly the kind of completely carny bullshit that wrestling should strive to be above. There are very real and valid reasons why people want TNA to go under beyond "it's not good and something something Dixie Carter smells".

[Woo]

If the only alternative to something is complete shit then who cares if it dies?

Lucha Underground is miles better than TNA has ever been anyway.

[Ringmaster]

Sept 28, 2016 10:03:33 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

So, long story short, the idea that TNA needs to stay around as it's the only alternative to WWE is false 1000x over.

Even more, Lets say it stay around, Which given it's mutant roach like abilities for surviving isn't impossible.

It's not even an alternative, Not when they use their own TV time to have former WWE talent mention the competition as much as possible and come off as bitter cry babies.

The only thing they have really given that's of any interest is EC3 and the Broken hardy's and the hardy's came up with their stuff on their own.

Honest question, ROH is for the purists, Chikara is for the comic nerds, CZW is for the fans of hardcore garbage wrestling, GFW is still figuring out what it is, Lucha Underground is for fans of lucha libre and has gained a steady and growing following and WWE is for people who want a mix of wrestling and entertainment.

What about TNA sets it apart?