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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 27, 2016 8:32:10 GMT -5
For the exact same reason people got pissed off when Miley Cyrus started twerking and it became cool when black folk had been doing it for years and years and it was considered trashy/ghetto. It's the very clear message that a tradition/look/whatever has to be associated with whiteness to be acceptable by the general population. It's the clear sign of white supremacy that exists in American culture. As a black person, it makes you feel pretty shitty. Your culture doesn't matter until white people says it matters. Hi Magic I see the point you are making. One group does something and it's seen as silly/stupid/trashy, all of a sudden another group starts to do the same thing and all of a sudden it's seen as acceptable and great. Now as a white European and forgive any ignorance on my part but does that mean in America if a white person wears braids or takes something from black culture, that it is seen as wrong or a bad thing to do. If some white girl thought braids was an awesome part of black culture and looked great and decided to style her hair in that way, would that be held against her? To me I would have thought it would be seen as more of a sign of respect. I mean in Europe I have never heard of outrage over something like this and I've seen people of all races with braided hair. I mean I've heard people say white people shouldn't braid their hair as it doesn't suit them but never have I heard anyone be accused of racism because of their style of hair. Just trying to get a better understanding of this subject. In America, the key part is really about how blacks have been treated throughout history. Even after slavery was legally ended (but not really but that's another topic for another day), black people have had their history ignored, torn down and generally white-washed as if it didn't exist. Then, this same dominant culture (white people) that has spent generations tearing down black culture now thinks something in the culture is cool but instead of trying to put a spotlight on that thing in the community, they just take it for themselves while continuing to marginalize everything else about black culture. And this isn't a new thing restricted to hairstyles. You can look at white music artists covering songs created by black artists and then claiming that it was their own work. The list really does go on and on. Hairstyles is just a part of the overall big picture. That's the difference between it being respectful and not being respectful. It comes off as putting salt in the wounds more than anything. So, it's not even that you don't see any value in our culture, it's that you just don't want to give the culture any credit but are still willing to benefit from it yourself. As far as random white girls wearing braids because they think black culture is cool, it's a very thin line to walk. If you feel compelled to do so, ok but keep in mind that you are (understandably) gonna get some sideways looks from people and you can't be afraid to have discussions like this one. Some people (again, understandably) just won't be cool with it and the only way to really change that is to get rid of the American mainstream focus on whiteness. But, like I said, that's not happening any time soon. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Oct 27, 2016 8:37:39 GMT -5
I just want to say that while I don't agree with all points being made, I find this whole discussion facinating and it gives me a lot to think about. I know we can't have political/societal discussions on here a lot because it's playing with fire a bit (and it's a pro wrestling forum FFS), but I appreciate the mods letting this one go for a while and everyone very calming explaining their positions in detail. Conversations like these need to happen more - even in they pop up in a bubble you don't expect them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 8:40:58 GMT -5
You know what is blatantly racist but never gets called out?
Radio stations that never play hip hop (other than iconic songs that break the barrier), but have no issues playing Iggy, Eminem, Macklemore, etc. So you won't play rap unless it's a white artist? I've never heard a hip hop radio station play Jason Derulo music just because he's black, yet I've seen it far too often going the other way.
I know it's off topic but it continually drives me nuts.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 27, 2016 8:49:49 GMT -5
I'm white and English....so I can't really relate to anything being said in this thread and I won't pretend to.
However I will say that I hate the current social media culture of "I'm just going to write whatever pops into my head without thinking of the consequences, and I can do that because I'm a rich white celebrity."
I mean did you hear about that dumbass Playboy model who posted pics on her Snapchat of some old woman showering? Like what the hell was she thinking?
Pull your arse out of your head and stop being a body shaming moron.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 27, 2016 9:19:22 GMT -5
Gonna have to side with Magic on this. Cultural appropriation is a very real issue, and either way you slice it I don't see how Mandy comes out of this looking good at all.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 27, 2016 9:32:09 GMT -5
Gonna have to side with Magic on this. Cultural appropriation is a very real issue, and either way you slice it I don't see how Mandy comes out of this looking good at all. what if she's just annoyed that she's behind No Way Jose who won't stop singing his theme song  |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 27, 2016 9:33:34 GMT -5
Gonna have to side with Magic on this. Cultural appropriation is a very real issue, and either way you slice it I don't see how Mandy comes out of this looking good at all. what if she's just annoyed that she's behind No Way Jose who won't stop singing his theme song Sorry, I'm not going to be funny in this thread. There's some real points being brought up that I think the board seriously needs to take heed of. |
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Post by audiencewatching on Oct 27, 2016 9:38:17 GMT -5
Totally forgot she existed
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Post by cahuette on Oct 27, 2016 9:51:00 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation is a very real issue In america, in the rest of the world very real issue means something else. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 27, 2016 9:52:43 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation is a very real issue In america, in the rest of the world very real issue means something else. Well, I think what's already brought up so far explains why it still bothers many people elsewhere. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 27, 2016 10:01:02 GMT -5
what if she's just annoyed that she's behind No Way Jose who won't stop singing his theme song Sorry, I'm not going to be funny in this thread. There's some real points being brought up that I think the board seriously needs to take heed of. I was only half joking, my point is all we really have to go off of is one picture of the back of a chair with no context. (Unless I missed something) Regardless she should definitely have thought this through before posting because either she was mocking the person in front of her's hair which very much could be intended as racist. Or she posted something that easily could have been interpreted that way. |
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Post by froggyfrog on Oct 27, 2016 10:01:04 GMT -5
Why is this a racist thing against a black woman? I'm a white man and my hair looks like that. I'm sorry to hear that |
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Post by Talent Name on Oct 27, 2016 10:03:08 GMT -5
what if she's just annoyed that she's behind No Way Jose who won't stop singing his theme song Sorry, I'm not going to be funny in this thread. There's some real points being brought up that I think the board seriously needs to take heed of. There are other issues besides this one that bother other posters, myself included on these boards. Maybe we should collaborate and work together and talk it out and if you would like I could certainly shoot you an email about some of the issues bothering me |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 27, 2016 10:03:36 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not going to be funny in this thread. There's some real points being brought up that I think the board seriously needs to take heed of. I was only half joking, my point is all we really have to go off of is one picture of the back of a chair with no context. (Unless I missed something) Regardless she should definitely have thought this through before posting because either she was mocking the person in front of her's hair which very much could be intended as racist. Or she posted something that easily could have been interpreted that way. You're right, it is all we have to go by. And based on that, she's made a poor impression on me here. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 27, 2016 10:09:23 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation is a very real issue In america, in the rest of the world very real issue means something else. The racial politics of non-American countries does not change the fact that this is a real issue in America, and the discussion here involves an American woman and what her actions mean in American culture, with the contention driven by the experiences of black people in America. Just because it's not a major issue in one place doesn't mean it isn't an important thing effecting the lives of millions of people somewhere else, and as I'm assuming you're non-American, being condescending about the idea that something can effect other people is a real shitty thing to do. I know "sensitivity" as a general concept is largely balked at by a great number of people these days because trying to look at something through someone else's eyes is seen as "PC" and "what the SJWs want" but come on guys at least try to maybe understand that the problem here isn't some fringe crybabies in a vacuum getting mad at everything, and that when there's smoke, there's fire. Just because you don't personally take issue with something doesn't mean there isn't one there, especialyl when you're not of the effected group. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 27, 2016 10:10:24 GMT -5
I was only half joking, my point is all we really have to go off of is one picture of the back of a chair with no context. (Unless I missed something) Regardless she should definitely have thought this through before posting because either she was mocking the person in front of her's hair which very much could be intended as racist. Or she posted something that easily could have been interpreted that way. You're right, it is all we have to go by. And based on that, she's made a poor impression on me here. That is fair, as I said either she meant that way or she didn't but it still could EASILY be interpreted that way. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 27, 2016 10:10:47 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation is described in one of the articles linked like this
"Appropriation occurs when a style leads to racist generalizations or stereotypes where it originated but is deemed as high fashion, cool, or funny when the privileged take it for themselves. Appropriation occurs when the appropriator is not aware of the deep significance of the culture that they are partaking in."
There is an important, interesting and reasonable discussion to be had on that topic, but it also isn't reasonable for it to end in "white people can't wear braids" OR "it's just hair"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 10:11:29 GMT -5
There's a person who sat on a plane a few days ago that has no idea he/she is the subject of a twitter scandal and an ongoing race debate.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 27, 2016 10:13:19 GMT -5
In america, in the rest of the world very real issue means something else. The racial politics of non-American countries does not change the fact that this is a real issue in America, and the discussion here involves an American woman and what her actions mean in American culture, with the contention driven by the experiences of black people in America. Just because it's not a major issue in one place doesn't mean it isn't an important thing effecting the lives of millions of people somewhere else, and as I'm assuming you're non-American, being condescending about the idea that something can effect other people is a real shitty thing to do. I know "sensitivity" as a general concept is largely balked at by a great number of people these days because trying to look at something through someone else's eyes is seen as "PC" and "what the SJWs want" but come on guys at least try to maybe understand that the problem here isn't some fringe crybabies in a vacuum getting mad at everything, and that when there's smoke, there's fire. Just because you don't personally take issue with something doesn't mean there isn't one there, especialyl when you're not of the effected group. THANK you. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 27, 2016 10:20:45 GMT -5
This whole thing reminds me of the controversy and huge public outcry from Scottish people over Roddy Piper wearing a kilt. Oh, wait. We didn't care. Funny that. Roddy Piper is of Scottish descent so this is a really poor example. |
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