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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 3, 2017 9:39:06 GMT -5
Yeh I assume these girls receive pretty well in Japan. I assume most Japanese wrestlers move to WWE for the different experience. It's a bit complicated; outside of a very tight few, nobody is coming into NXT making big money. The standard developmental contract isn't huge dollars but is instead just "enough to live on", so if you're coming into wrestling from the indies on a low scale you're doing a bit better and not needing to take on a second job. The big indie names get higher contracts, but it's still a pretty drastic pay cut when you factor in merch and shit, but the trade-off is that even a lowcarder in WWE can still make good money, so once you're on the main roster you find yourself doing a lot better. On that front, only a scant few guys are making such good money that the main roster money wouldn't be huge; the Bucks, Ricochet, a few others, and obviously New Japan's top guys all make that kind of money, but for someone like Hojo, it's a matter of suffering the lower pay now so she can make much better money in a couple years' time. (I know this is an old post, sorry, missed it before) I think even that math can be a bit tough, as there are some folks lower on the card in WWE who still don't make a baseline salary above five figures, though I know there's a lot of math to do there concerning final income once you factor in road/travel costs, good gate bonuses, if you can get a t shirt made, etc. For some wrestlers there's a legitimate bit of option weighing to do if your options are being a lower card guy and, let's say, having a deal with a place like Ring of Honor (though obviously getting a foot in the door in WWE creates at least the chance of moving up the ranks). However, I do have to imagine it's a worthwhile gamble for a lot of the women; while some joshi can make a pretty good living and there are some women in North American indies doing alright for themselves, it's a lot tougher on the whole for women wrestlers to make a really solid income outside of WWE, especially once TNA hamstrung their women's division (and their entire company). There are certainly more options than there used to be, but even a place like Lucha Underground, where they've even had a female top champion, only has so many spots they make available. Hopefully that trend keeps improving, and progress is progress, but it still feels a bit slow. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 3, 2017 10:02:03 GMT -5
It's a bit complicated; outside of a very tight few, nobody is coming into NXT making big money. The standard developmental contract isn't huge dollars but is instead just "enough to live on", so if you're coming into wrestling from the indies on a low scale you're doing a bit better and not needing to take on a second job. The big indie names get higher contracts, but it's still a pretty drastic pay cut when you factor in merch and shit, but the trade-off is that even a lowcarder in WWE can still make good money, so once you're on the main roster you find yourself doing a lot better. On that front, only a scant few guys are making such good money that the main roster money wouldn't be huge; the Bucks, Ricochet, a few others, and obviously New Japan's top guys all make that kind of money, but for someone like Hojo, it's a matter of suffering the lower pay now so she can make much better money in a couple years' time. (I know this is an old post, sorry, missed it before) I think even that math can be a bit tough, as there are some folks lower on the card in WWE who still don't make a baseline salary above five figures, though I know there's a lot of math to do there concerning final income once you factor in road/travel costs, good gate bonuses, if you can get a t shirt made, etc. For some wrestlers there's a legitimate bit of option weighing to do if your options are being a lower card guy and, let's say, having a deal with a place like Ring of Honor (though obviously getting a foot in the door in WWE creates at least the chance of moving up the ranks). However, I do have to imagine it's a worthwhile gamble for a lot of the women; while some joshi can make a pretty good living and there are some women in North American indies doing alright for themselves, it's a lot tougher on the whole for women wrestlers to make a really solid income outside of WWE, especially once TNA hamstrung their women's division (and their entire company). There are certainly more options than there used to be, but even a place like Lucha Underground, where they've even had a female top champion, only has so many spots they make available. Hopefully that trend keeps improving, and progress is progress, but it still feels a bit slow. (Nah it's cool) WWE lowcarders don't make big money, no, but they also make money. A lot of the guys WWE signs off of the indies really aren't in a position of star power to make the kind of money that makes WWE have to be a matter of weighing the costs. Even on the upper reaches of the independent scene you get guys making a decent living, but not as much as they can make on the main roster. You're doing well if you don't need to work a side job while working the indies, which is a far cry from making WWE money |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 3, 2017 13:39:54 GMT -5
(I know this is an old post, sorry, missed it before) I think even that math can be a bit tough, as there are some folks lower on the card in WWE who still don't make a baseline salary above five figures, though I know there's a lot of math to do there concerning final income once you factor in road/travel costs, good gate bonuses, if you can get a t shirt made, etc. For some wrestlers there's a legitimate bit of option weighing to do if your options are being a lower card guy and, let's say, having a deal with a place like Ring of Honor (though obviously getting a foot in the door in WWE creates at least the chance of moving up the ranks). However, I do have to imagine it's a worthwhile gamble for a lot of the women; while some joshi can make a pretty good living and there are some women in North American indies doing alright for themselves, it's a lot tougher on the whole for women wrestlers to make a really solid income outside of WWE, especially once TNA hamstrung their women's division (and their entire company). There are certainly more options than there used to be, but even a place like Lucha Underground, where they've even had a female top champion, only has so many spots they make available. Hopefully that trend keeps improving, and progress is progress, but it still feels a bit slow. (Nah it's cool) WWE lowcarders don't make big money, no, but they also make money. A lot of the guys WWE signs off of the indies really aren't in a position of star power to make the kind of money that makes WWE have to be a matter of weighing the costs. Even on the upper reaches of the independent scene you get guys making a decent living, but not as much as they can make on the main roster. You're doing well if you don't need to work a side job while working the indies, which is a far cry from making WWE money Oh yeah, absolutely, when it comes to the vast majority out there it's not even a comparison; I'm trying to keep my grouping of potential "make it on our own" type guys pretty narrow, but just slightly broader than the usual suspects of the Jacksons, Ricochet, Lethal, etc. Those are the guys who are able to earn more along the lines of a midcarder in WWE (with the Bucks doing even better), but the window is just slightly (very slightly) larger for guys who can earn closer to what a WWE lower carder can. Basically just a matter of slight degrees. But yes, for the women the options are unfortunately much more limited, and it makes a roll of the dice with WWE's system even more alluring. |
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 3, 2017 13:54:55 GMT -5
Latest from the Observer states that WWE pulled the deal after concern over the neck issues they found in the medical tests. That sucks for Shirai, but I can respect the WWE's decision regarding her physical condition. |
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