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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 26, 2016 16:21:04 GMT -5
They could always utilize a returning Red Skull or if Marvel did make some secret deal with Fox and they managed to acquire Fantastic Four thus having Dr. Doom as the next big bad. But wouldn't Red Skull or Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? It depends on where they go with Red Skull. They could always go the Lex Luthor route and have him infiltrate his way into the White House and have him become President of the United States. In an ideal world though, I'd kill for Marvel to have the rights to Fantastic Four so we could see Doom, The Skrulls, and Galactus as the next villains.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 26, 2016 16:21:45 GMT -5
They could always utilize a returning Red Skull or if Marvel did make some secret deal with Fox and they managed to acquire Fantastic Four thus having Dr. Doom as the next big bad. But wouldn't Red Skull or Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? The way they've built up Thanos, is there any villain that could compare? A proper Galactus, perhaps.
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Post by Psy on Nov 26, 2016 16:23:32 GMT -5
If Marvel got Fantastic Four back... that would be wonderful. I want a good movie (or series) with Doom as the main villain. Don't care about seeing Galactus again (I know, he's a very big bad, but he seems much more like a "team-up" movie villain to me) but there are a ton of good villains they haven't used yet, or they've used just to kill off with little fanfare.
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Post by Shai on Nov 26, 2016 16:24:32 GMT -5
But wouldn't Red Skull or Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? It depends on where they go with Red Skull. They could always go the Lex Luthor route and have him infiltrate his way into the White House and have him become President of the United States. In an ideal world though, I'd kill for Marvel to have the rights to Fantastic Four so we could see Doom, The Skrulls, and Galactus as the next villains. Yup, in my perfect world Fox learns from Sony and lets Disney take care of the Fantastic Four universe. I think if Spider-Man: Homecoming does good and Sony makes a ton of money Fox might just do it.
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Post by Shai on Nov 26, 2016 16:27:51 GMT -5
Speaking of things going back to Marvel...what's left? The two huge ones are X-Men and Fantastic Four if course but is that all Disney doesn't own the movie rights to?
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Post by Shai on Nov 26, 2016 16:30:16 GMT -5
But wouldn't Red Skull or Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? The way they've built up Thanos, is there any villain that could compare? A proper Galactus, perhaps. That's what I worry about it's taken this long to get to Thanos...after him Galactus is about all that's left for extinction level baddies.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Nov 26, 2016 16:35:47 GMT -5
Just came across a spoiler for how Infinity War is going to end: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} ![](http://cbr3.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/goodcomics/2010/06/thanosofftojail.JPG?auto=format&lossless=1&q=40&w=600&h=281&fit=crop) Seeing this made me think of Reed Richards tricking Magneto with a wooden gun. The mere sight of that sign offends Magneto!
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 26, 2016 16:36:07 GMT -5
The way they've built up Thanos, is there any villain that could compare? A proper Galactus, perhaps. That's what I worry about it's taken this long to get to Thanos...after him Galactus is about all that's left for extinction level baddies. Well I'll give Marvel credit. They could consciously go the opposite direction, make smaller stake movies and explore a universe forever changed by Thanos. Maybe a universe that is itself fractured? Or dim3nsion traveling?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 26, 2016 16:45:43 GMT -5
...so what's your question? you didn't ask one My question is does the MCU play it too safe and is it too light hearted? Watch Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, etc. The question implies whoever is asking it hasn't taken a close look at any of those. As for dark, that's why those characters exist in the Marvel Universe. Captain America and Spider-Man and such are the Marvel Universe versions of themselves in the films. Analogy: Why would someone take Harry Potter from the books and turn him into coven leader from Suspiria?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 26, 2016 17:31:56 GMT -5
My question is does the MCU play it too safe and is it too light hearted? Watch Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, etc. The question implies whoever is asking it hasn't taken a close look at any of those. The poster is specifically asking about the MCU, which is produced by Marvel Studios, which while they all loosely exist in the same universe, is separate from the television shows made by Marvel Television.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 26, 2016 17:40:45 GMT -5
Actually, if they get the FF rights, I'd like to see them build up to a Secret Invasion film. After all, Civil War the movie was superior to the comic, so they might be able to do the same with SI (plus, there wouldnt be the issue of the ugly art that the comic had).
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 26, 2016 18:24:51 GMT -5
Watch Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, etc. The question implies whoever is asking it hasn't taken a close look at any of those. The poster is specifically asking about the MCU, which is produced by Marvel Studios, which while they all loosely exist in the same universe, is separate from the television shows made by Marvel Television. Yeah, but what you're saying still reinforces my point. The dark side of Daredevil, Punisher, etc. in the comics were analogous with the point you're making and the question being asked. Stan Lee or whoever in charge at the time wasn't micromanaging Hulk, Captain America, Spider-Man, AND having his or her fingerprints all over the Elektras and such of the Marvel Universe. Saying "they're not MCU" might as well be saying those other characters aren't even Marvel. My point is that you can't ask Marvel Comics Captain America to turn into Steve Frank Rogers Castle on screen and when it doesn't happen say, "man, weak Marvel, where did my uber serious blood-thirsty Cap I remember from the comics go to?" Or "What's with all these jokes? Spider-Man needs to be doing more recitations from Neitchze to regain my childhood interest in who is really is underneath that mask." I'm not making fun of you or whoever. But I'm just furthering my point that you quoted earlier. One can't say Daredevil and them aren't MCU, I want Guillermo Del Toro's Thor, and then pretend that Marvel in the comics doesn't have an almost exact rift that you're saying doesn't count. This is just me. I don't care what studio is what. It always flashes the official MARVEL every time it airs or hits the big screen, so it's Marvel as long it has shared interest in same cinematic universe (lower case "c" in cinematic in this case). There is plenty of dark out there. It's just a head-shaker that anyone can turn a blind eye to Daredevil and such and say, "Nope. Not good enough. If Black Widow isn't lapping up the blood of Madame Masque with her own tongue and grinning maniacally at me, Marvel has just gone soft." I'm just like, "What version of Iron Man and Ant Man and such have these people been reading since the 1960s?" Finally, a clear indicator that one is turning a blind eye to the "dark side" of motion picture/television Marvel is how many Easter eggs and/or overt references those shows make to MCU. They're clearly in the same universe. Not "loosely." People want dark? It's there. Just gotta watch.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 26, 2016 18:38:29 GMT -5
The poster is specifically asking about the MCU, which is produced by Marvel Studios, which while they all loosely exist in the same universe, is separate from the television shows made by Marvel Television. Yeah, but what you're saying still reinforces my point. The dark side of Daredevil, Punisher, etc. in the comics were analogous with the point you're making and the question being asked. Stan Lee or whoever in charge at the time wasn't micromanaging Hulk, Captain America, Spider-Man, AND having his or her fingerprints all over the Elektras and such of the Marvel Universe. Saying "they're not MCU" might as well be saying those other characters aren't even Marvel. My point is that you can't ask Marvel Comics Captain America to turn into Steve Frank Rogers Castle on screen and when it doesn't happen say, "man, weak Marvel, where did my uber serious blood-thirsty Cap I remember from the comics go to?" Or "What's with all these jokes? Spider-Man needs to be doing more recitations from Neitchze to regain my childhood interest in who is really is underneath that mask." I'm not making fun of you or whoever. But I'm just furthering my point that you quoted earlier. One can't say Daredevil and them aren't MCU, I want Guillermo Del Toro's Thor, and then pretend that Marvel in the comics doesn't have an almost exact rift that you're saying doesn't count. This is just me. I don't care what studio is what. It always flashes the official MARVEL every time it airs or hits the big screen, so it's Marvel. There is plenty of dark out there. It's just a head-shaker that anyone can turn a blind eye to Daredevil and such and say, "Nope. Not good enough. If Black Widow isn't lapping up the blood of Madame Masque with her own tongue and grinning maniacally at me, Marvel has just gone soft." I'm just like, "What version of Iron Man and Ant Man and such have these people been reading since the 1960s?" Finally, a clear indicator that one is turning a blind eye to the "dark side" of motion picture/television Marvel is how many Easter eggs and/or overt references those shows make to MCU. They're clearly in the same universe. Not "loosely." People want dark? It's there. Just gotta watch. Nope, they are two separate studios creating two separate products that just happen to be set in the same fictional universe. During an interview addressing the confusion over Agent Coulson, Joss Whedon stated that the studios are doing their own things, and don't even really talk to each other. And again, it's obvious to me that the OP is asking specifically about the movie product created by Marvel Studios, and not the television product created by Marvel Television.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 26, 2016 18:39:10 GMT -5
It also makes me laugh whenever people talk about how "light hearted" Guardians of the Galaxy is, with all of its intense battles and multiple characters dying on screen.
When I hear the term lighthearted, I think of films like The Good Dinosaur or Trolls. Marvel has never, ever been a sugary brand.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 26, 2016 18:43:04 GMT -5
It also makes me laugh whenever people talk about how "light hearted" Guardians of the Galaxy is, with all of its intense battles and multiple characters dying on screen. When I hear the term lighthearted, I think of films like The Good Dinosaur or Trolls. Marvel has never, ever been a sugary brand. Not to mention "gee dee's," occasional "effs," and such on screen.. I guess that's maybe the translation Whirlwind's spinning cloud noise made or the "CRRRRAAAAAAACK" when Black Widow was breaking someone's jaw with a kick actually meant.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 26, 2016 18:52:02 GMT -5
It also makes me laugh whenever people talk about how "light hearted" Guardians of the Galaxy is, with all of its intense battles and multiple characters dying on screen. When I hear the term lighthearted, I think of films like The Good Dinosaur or Trolls. Marvel has never, ever been a sugary brand. I think when people refer to Guardians as being light hearted, they're referring to the overall lighter tone of the movie, and the way it's presented. I'm sure 99.9% of people that got done watching Guardians was laughing about it and recalling their favorite funny moments.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 26, 2016 21:55:02 GMT -5
It depends on where they go with Red Skull. They could always go the Lex Luthor route and have him infiltrate his way into the White House and have him become President of the United States. In an ideal world though, I'd kill for Marvel to have the rights to Fantastic Four so we could see Doom, The Skrulls, and Galactus as the next villains. Yup, in my perfect world Fox learns from Sony and lets Disney take care of the Fantastic Four universe. I think if Spider-Man: Homecoming does good and Sony makes a ton of money Fox might just do it. Well Fox will definitely get on board. Because Spider-Man is a guarantee cash cow and has always had a successful run at the box office. With this being Spider-Man's first solo outing under the Marvel Cinematic Universe umbrella it's bound to be a huge moneymaker.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 26, 2016 22:39:16 GMT -5
They could always utilize a returning Red Skull or if Marvel did make some secret deal with Fox and they managed to acquire Fantastic Four thus having Dr. Doom as the next big bad. Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? Doom is never a downgrade, Use one of the many story lines where he becomes god
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 27, 2016 0:35:26 GMT -5
Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? Doom is never a downgrade, Use one of the many story lines where he becomes god My ideal Doom storyline is the Ultimate Alliance one honestly. I loved that cinematic sequence of him taking down every hero and destroying the drones the government sent.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Nov 27, 2016 1:25:33 GMT -5
Analogy: Why would someone take Harry Potter from the books and turn him into coven leader from Suspiria? ![](https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-03-2014/KoE6bU.gif)
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